WikiRadio would be awesome! Could we get slots for WP Weekly?
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From: Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org>
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Subject: [Foundation-l] Wimimedia Radio WAS:RE: Legal position of audio recordings of GFDLcontent?
Let's run with the idea that provoked these questions to foundation-l, and
to the FSF. The most apparent one to most people here is the Spoken Articles
on Wikipedia. They're from GFDL material and looking at the license as it
stands, none of the people drafting it dreamt an encyclopedia - let alone
audio portions thereof - would ever exist and be covered by it. Perhaps it
is fortuitous that this aspect has come up before the new license is in
place? Perhaps there is a wider scope to consider in drafting it?
That "wider scope" is what one of the contributors to this discussion has
highlighted as a seriously headache-forming area under current constraints,
namely Radio. Trust me, dealing with a license that was drafted when
hard-cased floppy disks were cutting-edge technology is going to give Mike
Godwin headaches, not just the average list contributor.
So, yes, as a few people on a few of the non-WP projects are aware, the idea
that provoked these questions was indeed radio. A 24/7 MediaWiki Radio
service running Wikinews new pieces, spoken Wikipedia, music from Commons,
Lectures workshops and tutorials from Wikiversity, Quote of the Day from
Wikiquote, and "Book of the Month" from Wikisource. As the discussion on the
Communications Committee list saw this labelled, "WikiRadio 4" (See WP
article on BBC Radio 4").
What are people's thoughts on this? Kicking the idea about on Wikinews'
Water Cooler has made it look that filling a repeated six or eight-hour
schedule is achievable within a realistic timeframe. It does not conflict
with projects getting off the ground to do podcasts, but would mean they'd
need advised to start working towards fitting to broadcast time constraints
as a way of having an eye on the future. Could we aim for a radio station
for Wikimania 2008, with Spanish lessons broadcast in the preceding
weeks/months? Could we persuade Wikipedia people to add "doing a recording"
to the composition of the daily main page?
Brian McNeil
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Sent: 22 April 2008 19:37
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Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Legal position of audio recordings of
GFDLcontent?
On 22/04/2008, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> One important question: how do you manage GFDL on spoken text? To the
> satisfaction of, e.g., querulous Commons admins who deal with
> licensing stupidities all the time? (Geni, I'm looking at you ;-) )
You can't but assuming you are dealing with more normal people there
are ways to do it.
> Requiring a reading of the license on the end of all audios is
> onerous. Our many spoken articles on English Wikipedia are
> (presumably) not a violation as long as they're on Wikipedia, with the
> license text a link away - but aren't really unencumbered for use
> elsewhere.
Not the problem you might think. Obviously it will limit the formats
you can use. 45s and 78s are going to be basically unusable and 33s
would be fairly borderline.
For CDs it is less of a problem. You have a single track dedicated to
the legal stuff and everything else just as normal. If you want to put
multiple articles onto a single CD then it would probably a be a good
idea to take the approach of merging them into a single document. If
you make a CD that is say a series of spoken versions of our US
president articles then you are going to run into problems with the
size of the article history but by using synthesised speech and
dumping the lot on a separate CD it should be doable.
In the end it's just another version of the old overhead problem that
means the GFDL is useless for postcards as well.
Invariant sections can of course case massive problems. If an
invariant section is an image you are basically stuffed.
>Is the GFDL fundamentally discriminatory against the blind?
No more than many EULAs
>This in itself IMO is a strong case for porting to CC-by-sa.
Still runs into issues when faced with large numbers of authors. "keep
intact all copyright notices for the Work" has the same problem with
invariant sections as the GFDL.
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geni
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I will be looking into WIKI Radio. Lets see how it goes
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Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wimimedia Radio WAS:RE: Legal position of audio recordings of GFDLcontent?
Geoffrey Plourde wrote:
> WikiRadio would be awesome! Could we get slots for WP Weekly?
>
A while ago a project called "WikiCast" was set up, I believe it was
disbanded due to issues with royalties on audio recordings in the US.
This is probably still an issue, even on freely-licensed recordings;
given that the Wikimedia Foundation is based in the US so there appears
to be no easy way round.
MinuteElectron.
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In a message dated 4/22/2008 7:29:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mary_murrell(a)yahoo.com writes:
4. Only one dollar to Wikimedia per copy? That's a measly 5% royalty. Who
gets the rest?
While no one has commented on the initial print run, there are certainly
initial production costs that have to be covered, and these can be steep
(copyediting, fact checking, plates, separations, printing, etc.). For a first run
book which they can ostensibly grab for free, this is actually pretty generous.
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I didn't see this subject within the foundation archives, so I'm notifying all users about an ongoing discussion on enabling Global Blocking, a tool which could block an IP address across all Wikimedia projects. The discussion centers on which users should get the tool (i.e. the selection process), the Global Blocking policy, and the participation of Wikimedia projects.
The discussion can be found here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_blocking
All Wikimedia editors are invited to contribute.
Thanks,
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On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote:
> At 07:45 +0200 23/4/08, teun spaans wrote:
> >Congratulations to everyone involved in this project.
> >
> >
> >
> >I wish you happiness and health
> >
> >teun spaans
>
>
> It is a great experiment. I have a German WikiReader (of 75 pages or
> so) that I picked up in Frankfurt at the first Wikimania . It is
> about time somebody tried a "cut" of Wikipedia in print. The
> publisher will take the risk and the Foundation (or German Chapter?)
> will take the putative gain.
I wonder if I am the only one whose first thought is that someone
might buy this book and then spend the rest of their life finding
all the people who contributed, and ask them for an autograph.
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]
Thanks to Florence for the kind words and to everyone else for the warm
welcome. I'm glad to see my "honeymoon" as a new board member lasted
about an hour before I became the subject of a vigorous back-and-forth
on foundation-l. ;-)
First let me say that I'm really excited about my new role. This
community has done amazing things over the past seven years, creating
projects that touch hundreds of millions of people around the world.
It's really an honor for me to serve you and contribute in whatever way
I can.
As for Thomas's question, I've been using en.wikipedia for years and
even edit a little (recently as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Stu),
but was certainly not invited to join the board because of my edit
count. I haven't spent as much time as I'd like on the other projects
and am looking forward to exploring them over the coming months.
As for foundation-l, I've been on it since last year (via gmane) and
generally enjoy the give-and-take, though I do take holidays from it
when the signal-to-noise ratio drops.
Thanks again for the welcome. Please feel free to contact me at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Stu or stu(a)wikimedia.org. I'm
chasing a 10-month old child around these days, so it may take me a
while to respond, but I'll do my best.
-stu
PS -- Please remember that WP:DONTBITE applies to new board members too!
Dear all,
On behalf of the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation, it's my
pleasure today to announce the appointment of Stuart West as our new
Board Treasurer. Stuart brings a wonderful mix of professional
experience and capacity to the Foundation, and will help us in our
continuing efforts to improve the Foundation's overall financial
accountability and sustainability.
A bit of background about our new Board Treasurer:
Stuart has over 15 years of financial experience, including senior
executive roles at publicly-traded companies including Yahoo! Inc., TiVo
Inc., and in investment banking at J.P. Morgan & Co. He also worked with
the United States Mission to the United Nations. Stuart's educational
background includes a B.A. in History from Yale University, where he
focused on 20th century diplomacy, and the Executive Program for Growing
Companies at the Stanford Business School. He is a dual citizen of the
United States and the United Kingdom.
Stuart is a great believer in the Foundation's mission, and in the time
the Board has spent with him so far we have been impressed by his broad
awareness of the projects and their impact around the world. He will be
a great addition to the Board, and a tremendous resource for the Foundation.
Please join me in welcoming Stuart to our community!
Florence Devouard
Chair Wikimedia Foundation
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From: M Sz <echalone(a)hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:28 AM
Subject: New Semi-Wikipedia Project proposal: WikiTimeLine
To: foundation-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Hello!
Here is a new proposal for a Semi-Wikipedia Project: The adding of Beginning
and End date of events and persons to the wikipedia articles through
template parameters. This template would generate an external link to
WikiTimeLine.net which would add a timeline of this event or person to the
timeline-display of WikiTimeLine.
More Information at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiTimeLine.net
or http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects#WikiTimeLine where
you can also state your support.
How such a timeline could look like can be seen at
http://www.wikitimescale.org
but the functionallity is completly different. For more information on
differences see the project page on MetaWiki mentioned above.
greetings,
DontPanic
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Austin writes:
>> I didn't say that was the *only* role of the Foundation. Florence is
>> misremembering my words here. If I had said what Florence thinks I
>> said, I would fully disagree with it as well.
>
> Although it may not be what you meant, I certainly construed "The
> Foundation is only paying for it" in the same way Florence did.
Properly I should have said "The Foundation is only facilitating it,
which of course entails the spending of money, but which doesn't mean
we're the conference organizers."
--Mike