So I have to constantly clean up the mess over 750 wikis generate on a daily
basis. We can avoid the entire process with little cooperation.
- White Cat
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote:
If anyone would like to comment by the way, I threw
up
a basic draft over at [[c:Commons:Licensing_templates]].
I think it would be easier to make such a list and keep
/it/ updated (and would be a good task for your bot,
White_Cat), as opposed to a massive Foundation-wide
renaming.
-Chad
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Has nothing to do with "getting even"
with commons. It's
about commons doing their own work and the wikis doing
theirs. While interoperability is a good idea, mass renaming
would be highly disruptive. Not only would you need to agree
on a good language-neutral name in and of itself (which is a
task, knowing this or any other mailing list, or meta), then
comes the job of localizing all of the information (you can't
just rename templates. If they're going to be treated as the
same, they must have /identical/ verbiage, localized), not
to mention making sure every language affected has been
notified (and agrees!). Now, I don't think individual wikis
would mind helping gather the information for conversion
tables (like I suggested), but I do think they would object
to arbitrary renaming just to make the job easier for
commons.
In light of all of these: no, I don't think running your bot
is going to happen.
-Chad
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 5:38 PM, White Cat
<wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:59 PM, Pedro Sanchez <pdsanchez(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 3:36 PM, White Cat
> > <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > The tone of your response is not in the spirit of what I am
trying to
> > do
> > > here. I find it a bit repulsive. I would encourage you to tone
it down.
> > >
> > > I am not asking for an English naming. "PD" is an
abbreviation
like
> > "UN".
> > > What you say isn't necessarily true. Japanese wikipedia for
example
> > uses
> > > commons compatible names for their license templates.
> > >
> > >
> >
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:%E7%94%BB%E5%83%8F%E3%81%AE%E8%91%97%…
> > >
> > > It is obviously more than workable.
> > >
> > > I think Thai people can easily read the content of the template
even if
> > they
> > > completely fail to read the templates name (say "{{GFDL}}")
in
the
> > code.
> > > People who edit wikipedia will figure out what such
abbreviation
mean
> > in a
> > > very short period of time. People who do not edit wikipedia
will
never
> > see
> > > these template names.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - White Cat
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> >
> > People incorrectly upload images, not just when uploading from
local
> > wikis to commons, but even when
uploading directly to commons.
> > Tempalte naming won't stop that problem.
> >
> > Now, what I've understood, is that you want all wikis to make a
change
> > (and that change isn't being
proposed on the wikis) to accomodate
> > commons.
> > You also need to take int oaccount that wikis have local uplaods,
and
> > thus thir template namings need to
reflect the usage and language
for
> > the wiki users, with a much higher
priority than commons needs.
> >
> > Commosn has always complained when wikipedias demand commons to do
> > something, telling "we're not here to serve wikipedias, we're a
> > project on our own"
> > Same goes reverse, wikipedias are not to serve commons, and you
want
> > to run a bot (for an unapproved task)
to change widely used
templates
> > in many wikis without first
discussing it with the wikis you will
be
> > affecting
> >
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>
> So this is merely a getting even with commons huh? Commons isn't the
enemy.
>
>
>
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