Well, yes, this is right.
I'm considering to change the third line in the footer from
"http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l"
to "Unsubscription: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l"
and will do so, if I don't hear objection (resp. an amended proposal) ...
Michael
On 9/22/07, Rich Holton <richholton(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, the unsubscribe information is included as part of the message
> headers, and different mail clients handle them differently. Notice that
> the quoted messages (below) don't include the unsubscribe information,
> though list info is included.
>
> I use Mozilla Thunderbird 2.0, and the unsubscribe info does not show up
> anywhere that I could find, except in the raw message source--not
> somewhere that the typical user is likely to look.
>
> Not making excuses for Mr. Gunn...
>
> -Rich Holton
>
>
> Michael Bimmler wrote:
> > On 9/22/07, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org> wrote:
> >> If a list admin doesn't simply remove Jim - which I believe is what he
> >> wishes, then provide simple unsubscribe instructions.
> >>
> >> Other lists I'm on periodically send out account details and unsubscribe
> >> instructions.
> >>
> >
> > You can set a flag in your options page
> > (http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/options/foundation-l) whether you
> > want to receive a monthly email with account information. Unsubscribe
> > instructions are at the bottom of each e-mail.
> > Michael
> >
> >> Brian.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: foundation-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> >> [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of effe iets
> >> anders
> >> Sent: 22 September 2007 10:03
> >> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Relocation announcement
> >>
> >> Hi Jim,
> >>
> >> I have no idea who you are exactly, whether you are involved in Wikimedia at
> >> all, but could you please explain what the constructive part of your
> >> messages was? If you are not willing to have a *constructive* discussion,
> >> and only are willing to make personal attacks, please do no longer post on
> >> this list. Thanks.
> >>
> >> BR, Lodewijk
> >>
> >> 2007/9/22, jim gunn <jimgunnsigns(a)yahoo.ca>:
> >>> thank god for headers as in internet headers as I see you are in Toronto ,
> >>> using Bell which will make it beaucoup easier to stop you squids from
> >>> spamming me, also I can contact U.S immigration in Toronto or Detroit to
> >>> see if they want Sue in their country. Always figured St. Petersburg was
> >>> just a post office box, but the Bay Area will be a great place for the
> >>> foundation-like they say it's like a breakfast cereal-lotsa flakes and
> >>> nuts..but that header made a world of difference-keep spamming me and I'll
> >>> have my buddies in the RCMP computer crimes division take care of it.
> >> Hell,
> >>> they're just down the street. This worked out great, Sue Gardner. thank
> >> god
> >>> for headers!
> >>>
> >>> Sue Gardner <sgardner(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: Hi folks,
> >>>
> >>> I wanted to let you know that later this year, the Wikimedia Foundation
> >>> will be relocating its headquarters to the San Francisco Bay area.
> >>>
> >>> You may know that we're currently in St. Petersburg, Florida. This was
> >>> an accident rather than a deliberate choice; when Jimmy started the
> >>> Foundation in 2003, he happened to be living here. And in the years
> >>> since then, Florida has been a very good home for us.
> >>>
> >>> But it's time to move. We need to be in a larger city that is more
> >>> suited to our work.
> >>>
> >>> In making this decision, we assessed five major cities: Boston, London,
> >>> New York, San Francisco and Washington, DC - as well as St. Petersburg
> >>> itself. The upshot: after a fairly detailed analysis, I recommended to
> >>> the board that the Foundation relocate to San Francisco, and the board
> >>> accepted that recommendation.
> >>>
> >>> Why San Francisco? It's the centre of high-tech in the United States.
> >>> It's home to plenty of like-minded organizations and possible partners,
> >>> top-tier universities like Stanford and UC Berkeley, world-class support
> >>> services, and major media. And it will be more convenient - and cheaper
> >>> - than St. Petersburg for international travel.
> >>>
> >>> There are also arguments for staying where we are. Moving will be
> >>> expensive, and may be disruptive for the community. And St. Petersburg
> >>> is less expensive than the Bay Area.
> >>>
> >>> But in the long run, San Francisco will suit us well, and will give the
> >>> Foundation a solid base from which to grow.
> >>>
> >>> Here is what's planned at this point:
> >>>
> >>> - The new office will open sometime this winter. We'll probably start
> >>> out in downtown San Francisco, until we get our bearings and choose a
> >>> permanent location.
> >>> - The St. Petersburg office will close late this winter, probably at the
> >>> end of January.
> >>> - We know that many people's personal circumstances will make it
> >>> impossible for them to move, but we are hoping that some of the current
> >>> staff will be able to come with us.
> >>> - The servers will remain in Tampa indefinitely. If we do choose to move
> >>> them, that would be a separate, subsequent decision. At this point, it's
> >>> not under active consideration.
> >>>
> >>> The board members have asked me, in this note, to thank the St.
> >>> Petersburg staff for their hard work and dedication. And I want to add
> >>> my thanks as well. It's a great group of committed, hard-working people,
> >>> and those who can't move with the office will be missed.
> >>>
> >>> I know many of you will have questions about the staff. Most of them I
> >>> probably can't answer, because, in general, individual staff issues are
> >>> confidential. But I will say that I take very seriously the
> >>> organization's obligation to its employees, and I am committed to
> >>> ensuring everyone is treated fairly and with care. The staff has been
> >>> informed and consulted throughout this process, and has made a good
> >>> contribution to it.
> >>>
> >>> In the coming months, the Foundation will be relying on the staff's
> >>> patience and cooperation, and on yours - we will need lots of support in
> >>> order for this transition to go smoothly.
> >>>
> >>> Please feel free to forward this note to anyone who might be interested,
> >>> and to contact me directly if you have any questions, or want to offer
> >>> help. We will probably put out a press release sometime next week, but
> >>> wanted to let you all know first.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Sue
> >>>
> >>>
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On 9/20/07, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/20/07, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > Um, in the case of Wikipedia you're factually incorrect. The hard
> > stalking work of Judd Bagley of overstock.com is a counterexample.
> > Stalking on a corporate budget no less!
>
> When did investigation and fact based criticism become synonymous with
> stalking? I missed that memo.
>
> Or is it only stalking when it's someone "we" dislike investigating
> someone "we" like, and protected free speech the other way around?
> (like the extensive research that some of the "anti-stalkers" put into
> Daniel Brandt these last few years)
>
> I'm not saying that I agree with the allegations, but to call it
> stalking when someone investigates something which they reasonably
> believe to be misconduct just seems wrong to me.
>
>
Wow, Greg.
That person is a stalker, not a critic. Speaking only of what he's
done to me, he has threatened anonymously to "remove" me unless I
speak to him about doing what he wants; has published nonsense about
me in an effort to humiliate me; has sent complaint after complaint
about me to Jimbo or the ArbCom, over a period of 13 months; alleges
that I'm being paid to edit Wikipedia; is contacting other people he
thinks might help him harass me; has sent me e-mails containing
spyware hoping I'd download it onto my computer; and has been making
enquiries about me in an effort to obtain my name and location.
It has reached the point where I'm considering going to the police.
That's just what he's done to me. He has also pursued at least three
other people on Wikipedia that I know of (he's the one who posts links
to his website on people's talk pages disguised as links to Wikipedia
articles, so he can get their IP addresses). He's also done it in the
past to journalists. One woman journalist lost her job because of him.
He's a nasty piece of work, not a legitimate critic.
Sarah
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=== Request for help ===
Dear readers,
Almost two years ago I started with Wikizine. The very first message
send out about it was also a "special edition". That was to present
Wikizine, what it was all about.
http://en.wikizine.org/2005/10/year-2005-week41-special-edition.html
This one now is not to explain what Wikizine is.
Wikizine is not totally unsuccessful. The number of readers has only
go up since its existence, slowly yes, but up nevertheless. The rare
feedback has been positive.
It was my intention to create a platform with Wikizine to bring
together the most relevant information, news, from all Wikimedia
projects and languages. I felt, and still do, that there is a need for
that.
I hoped that after some time a network of reporters of the various
wikis, languages, projects, would form who could bring there news to
the larger community by means of Wikizine. And also that the would
people step up to join me in creating Wikizine.
This largely did not happened. In the last two years some people have
volunteered and helped with making Wikizine. But that where far to
few, who did not a lot and only for a to short time to have any real
impact.
Wikizine was and is still a one man show. I have made all editions
until now of Wikizine. I can not continue like this. It has become
more difficult with every edition for me to bring myself to get the
next one ready. The time it was fun is long gone. The frequency of the
editions has become more and more erratic. And the quality is falling.
I need people who are willing to work substantially on Wikizine. And
not only today but on the long term. Finding news, writing it in the
draft; constructing Wikizine. If you like to help please contact me;
walter AT wikizine.org
Request for help for Wikizine has been send out before, only not so
explicit like now. This is also the first time I send it to
non-Wikizine channels.
The responds the previous times was always nearly zero. I do not
expect anything else this time. Surprise me.
Greetings,
Walter Vermeir
The editor-founder of Wikizine
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Halo Gianluigi
> Has WMHK a public website already? If so, what's its URL?
> I'm asking this because we have all the chapters' websites linked in
> our chapter's homepage, so that i can update it.
Sorry, our website is still on meta now....... I'll notify you once our
website is established outside the meta
Yu Jeromy CHAN (Jerry~Yuyu)
Deputy President
Provisional Directory
Wikimedia Hong Kong
Hello everyone
I hope that you may be happy to hear the good news below.
The registration of our chapter in Hong Kong, Wikimedia Hong Kong Limited
(WMHK) had been just been approved by the Company Registry of the SAR
Government yesterday (18-Sept-2007). And the secretary of WMHK have
retrieved the certificate of incorporation today.
Yours sincerely,
Yu Jeromy CHAN (Jerry~Yuyu)
Vice-President
Provisional Directory
Wikimedia Hong Kong
Halo Andrew
That's just what we need to do next........ & really a task for us........
:p
Yu Jeromy CHAN (Jerry~Yuyu)
Vice-President
Provisional Directory
Wikimedia Hong Kong
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Sue Gardner wrote:
> Yes. The first question is, would providing this data violate the
> privacy policy, which protects "private information" - often but not
> always assumed to mean personally-identifiable information. If we
> consider the squid log data to include potentially
> personally-identifiable/private information, then we can't release it
> to a third party. Regardless of how much we trust them, or what they
> are willing to sign.
Agreed.
> If the release does NOT violate the privacy policy, then the question
> becomes whether it violates existing community standards & practices.
> I don't know the answer to that. But there has been lots of discussion
> here, which may suggest there's not a clear consensus view.
>
> IMO we want to help academics and we share lots of their values.. but
> it is more important that we protect our own community of
> users/contributors. So we want to err on that side.
In particular, Greg raises the interesting point that our community includes
many eager researchers and statisticians. For those who don't know Brian
Mingus (who said earlier in the thread 'I suggest that it never be released,
and that the foundation hire and/or appoint a statistician for analyzing logs
in-house.'), he is a Wikipedian, datamining student, and frood who for a time
ran the best real-time Wikipedia stats on the web. Something he stopped doing
among other reasons because it was so difficult for him to get reliable data
from the source.
I'll also note that Erik Zachte's stats haven't been effectively run on
the largest wikis for some time.
So when we do make stats available, I'd like to see us err on the side of
giving our community of amazingly talented users/contributors access to them,
before giving them to a university that asks formally on electronic letterhead.
> Erik Moeller:
>> I might support a research exemption clause in future versions of the
>> policy _if_ a compelling case can be made that such an exemption is
>> needed, and that no alternative research method would produce results
>> of approximately the same quality. So far no such case has been made.
>
>> Whatever we do, it is crucial that we make it clear to our users
>> through our privacy policy what is going on. In that spirit, I would
>> also appreciate it if the privacy policy could be updated to describe
>> the existing agreements with universities, and the work that is being
>> done on the toolserver.
Yes, please. There are active Wikipedians with experience in these fields who
do not subscribe to foundation-l, and they should at least know what
is going on at present.
Is there a good overview online of the work done and processes run on the
[various] toolserver[s]?
SJ
hi,
openoffice-2.3 seems now to be able to export mediawiki format. anybody
tried this? does import also work?
rupert
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