Wikimedia-l January 2006

wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

72 participants
79 discussions

[Foundation-l] Creating contents for "small" Wikipedias
by Sabine Cretella 15 Jan '06

15 Jan '06

How to create content for small Wikpedias? The fastest way is "translation". Premisses: *Most people need a starting point to "create" so we must give them to all these potential editors. *People have different interests so also that content must be different. *We have loads of, for example, African languages that need "help". *People do not have a stable internet access. *People in, for example, African countries could work offline on Linux systems and things could be uploaded. *Many would like translations to be proof read and have "reference material" to look up sentence structures and terminology immediately. Well ... actually translations are mostly done by copying the contents from one wikipedia to the other and then start translating. People use paper dictionaries or workarounds - search for terminology over and over again. Now there's that neat software allowing for Computer Assited Translation: OmegaT (http://www.omegat.org/omegat/omegat.html) Example *You save the contents of one Wikipedia in OpenOffice.org (.odt) format. *You have a terminology list from English to Bambara *You have .tmx files (translation memories) from former Translations from English to Bambara *You create a new OmegaT project and select the files to be translated - well then you should close the project again (this will be better in one of the future versions) *Copy your glossary + old translation memories in their place *Open the project and start to translate *While translating you will see similar sentences that were already translated before in the translation memory match window (the so-called partial matches - these can also be inserted automatically in the target sentence so that you only need to modify what is different) *While translating you will see the words of the sentence that are present in the glossary in the glossary match window and this helps you with your translation since you will not need to look them up in a dictionary In future the glossary function will be connected to Ultimate Wiktionary, or WiktionaryZ, through a reference implementation - and this means that all terminology that is in WiktionaryZ is also at disposal for translations. Well there are always thoughts about machine translation around: well this is the way translators work - we are "helped" by the computer to do our jobs ... now if we take these techniques and show them to many people who can work offline as well and if these people exchange translation memories and then their glossaries with WiktionaryZ this means that "small" Wikipedias can have a lot of general contents quite fast. The next step is then: any translation can be proofread before uploading it to the wikipedia - so the article can be worked on offline quite easily. Upload can be done with the help of the bot (pywikipediabot) - and this can be done by anyone - even by people who don't know the language. In this way online and offline communities, for example of African languages, where people cannot always access the Internet, can work out really well. Of course an offline-readable wikipedia would then make a lot of sense in these languages and also some particular way to organise the project (pages need to be marked as "being translated by" etc.) that can then be organised also by a non native speaker. Well so who would like to try out OmegaT for the translation of articles? (btw. I am doing that to translate from Italian and other languages to Neapolitan - and of course for my "ordinary work" into German :-) Best, Sabine ___________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: chiama da PC a telefono a tariffe esclusive http://it.messenger.yahoo.com

1 0

[Foundation-l] Re: Steward elections
by Fruggo 15 Jan '06

15 Jan '06

Anthere schreef: > > Next time, I suggest to put a new rule (positive discrimination I know), > > a requirement of 50% of female stewards... a real challenge > That would probably mean that there would be no new stewards at all ;) Greetz, Fruggo

1 0

[Foundation-l] Why is the world attacking Microsoft censorship?
by Alan Knight 13 Jan '06

13 Jan '06

Why is the world press attacking Microsoft censorship in China? http://news.google.com/news?as_q=Microsoft+China+blog&svnum=10&as_scoring=r… If they wanted, they could find an equally good target in the usually atruistic Wikipedia's barring the creation of Chinese Wikinews. Microsoft giving into Chinese censorship for business reasons is no worse than Wikipedia's barring a Chinese project in deference to Beijing's censors. When you act frightened you get stepped on, and that is exactly what happended to all of us: We prevented a Wikinews out of fear for Wikipedia, but they block the Wikipedia anyways. With all due respect for Jimbo, if he continues to use "no Chinese Wikinews" as a carrot to get Wikipedia back into China, he will ultimate fail at both despite his good intentions. Let's set up Chinese Wikinews before this story hits the world press!! Alan --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP.

3 2

[Foundation-l] checkuser log improvement
by Anthere 12 Jan '06

12 Jan '06

hello Looking at the checkuser log this morning, I thought that the current information provided was unsufficient for proper follow up by other editors with checkuser. It had Date of check --- name of checkuser --- ip or user checked Brion very nicely added a new column... So, now, it has Date of check --- name of checkuser --- ip or user checked --- local project concerned. For example 08:54, 12 January 2006 Brion VIBBER got IPs for Brion VIBBER on metawiki Thanks Brion

5 7

[Foundation-l] Steward elections
by Dariusz Siedlecki 12 Jan '06

12 Jan '06

Here are the final results: Ausir (100%) Walter (100%) Jon Harald Søby (100%) Suisui (100%) Ascánder (100%) Rdsmith4 (97,78%) Romihaitza (97,67%) villy (96,25%) Paginazero (90%) The other candidates didn't get 80% of support. Seeing as the Wikimedia projects need new stewards ("and a lot of 'em!"), I'd be really happy to see the Board supporting all of the mentioned candidates. -- Best regards, Dariusz "Datrio" Siedlecki

10 16

Re: [Foundation-l] Re: Steward elections
by daniwo59＠aol.com 11 Jan '06

11 Jan '06

Just wanna say congratulations to all the new stewards!

1 0

[Foundation-l] Steward elections closing
by Dariusz Siedlecki 10 Jan '06

10 Jan '06

I wanted to notify foundation-l that the Steward elections of 2006 are closing tonight, UTC time. From 16 candidates only 9 are making it through by this time: * Jean-Christophe Chazalette (villy) * Ausir * Romihaitza * Walter * Paginazero * Jon Harald Søby * Suisui * Rdsmith4 * Ascánder Also, Arno Lagrange failed his re-nomination and, if no one is against this move, his steward rights will be taken away. -- Pozdrawiam, Dariusz "Datrio" Siedlecki

1 0

[Foundation-l] stewards election
by Anthere 10 Jan '06

10 Jan '06

Last day to vote on stewards http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards/elections_2006 The votes have not been updated today, but there are roughly 10 candidates supported over 80%, which is pretty good :-) The vote will be closed tonight and the board will make the final pickup in the group supported by the community, to nominate between 1 to 10 new stewards. --------- <SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE TO DEVELOPERS> Several stewards and non stewards wish that BOTS flags are set up by bureaucrats locally. Benefits : * reduce strain on stewards ---> makes stewards happy * reduce waiting time ---> makes bot managers happy * increase quality as bureaucrats are aware of local rules ----> makes local communities happy </SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE TO DEVELOPERS>

1 0

[Foundation-l] Request for approval for a wiki for standards
by Gerard Meijssen 09 Jan '06

09 Jan '06

Hoi, On Meta the request for a Wikistandards wiki has been revived. The request was voiced at a conference of language standards in Berlin (Dec 12-13, 2005). A significant number of people from the language standards community have indicated on Meta that they are interested to actively support this effort. See: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects#Wikistandards Just a few of the people who have expressed interest in working on a Wikistandards project run by Wikimedia: * Professor Alan K. Melby, Brigham Young University, member of the Board of Directors and chair of the Translation and Computers committee, American Translators Association and many other affiliations, see http://www.ttt.org/akm-cv.html * Donald A. DePalma, President and CRO: Common Sense Advisory, Inc.; author: Business Without Borders, member of the Board of Directors of the Globalization and Localization Association (GALA), chair of the Language Standards for Global Business Summit, more: http://www.commonsenseadvisory.com/about_us/management.php?id=1 * Keiran Dunne, Assistant Professor of French, Pennsylvania State University * Dr. Jennifer DeCamp, principal engineer at MITRE Corporation, a federally funded Research and Development Center, where she provides software testing and advice on foreign language technology. She has worked with localization issues since the 1970s. * Peter Reynolds, Lionbridge Technologies, involved with the XLIFF and Translation Web Services standards. * Tex Texin, Internationalization Architect, Yahoo, Inc. Tex Texin has been providing globalization services including training, strategy, and implementation to the software industry for many years. See http://www.global-conference.com/iuc27/biosabstracts/b058.html <http://www.global-conference.com/iuc27/biosabstracts/b058.html> for details. The purpose of Wikistandards will be to discuss standards and to formulate drafts on the wiki. Informative encyclopaedic texts would be written on Wikipedia. As it is of importance for a standard to be known and thereby to be a Standard, many people at the conference indicated their willingness to translate these articles to other languages for other Wikipedias as well. The terminology involved with standards would get its place in WiktionaryZ (the name suggested to replace "Ultimate Wiktionary"). Wikistandards itself will be a new project in its own right. It does not fit into Wikibooks since the discussions and drafts will be original works developed by the standards communities. There will be a portal dedicated to language standards, but hopefully, we will get other standards communities interested as well. Wikistandards will also make use of content in our other projects. One reason why a wiki like this makes sense is because the Wikimedia Foundation is known for its NPOV, it is not part of academia or the business world and, as importantly, we have a great track record in managing large amounts of content. We can hope for great synergies between the standards community and the Wikimedia community. On the most basic level, Wikimedians will help the standards experts to learn the ropes, and to structure the wiki in a way that makes sense. But we also have a very real need for being involved in or close to standardization processes, particularly language standards, as we will make increased use of them in our projects. On the Unicode website, Wikipedia is already the only website that is singled out for its use of UTF-8. With the WiktionaryZ project, supporting standards will become even more important as we will have ALL languages and people from ALL locales using one database. We have discussed using standards like CLDR (Common Locale Data Repository) for localization and TBX (TermBase eXchange) for exporting terminology. In the future we may even make use of TMX (Translation Memory eXchange) to integrate WiktionaryZ with industry standard computer-aided translation (CAT) tools. Other standards will be relevant for relation types and other meta data. In the process of standardization, Wikimedia will only set one standard of its own: a standard of freedom. Any standard we use in our projects must be fully documented, free to use and free to implement, or we do not consider it a standard in the first place. What better way to ensure that than by being involved, as a neutral party, in the standard process? Given that we have a lot of enthusiasm for this project and given that it provides us with a win win situation, I do ask for your permission to set up this project in the very near future. Thanks, GerardM

7 13

[Foundation-l] Nupedia-l archives
by Poe, Marshall 08 Jan '06

08 Jan '06

Hi, I wondered if someone might be able to tell me where I could find the archives of Nupedia-l. 8media.org uses to have them, but is down. Best, Marshall Poe, Ph.D. The Atlantic Monthly 600 New Hampshire Ave. NW Washington, DC 20037 202-266-6511 mpoe(a)theatlantic.com -----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces(a)wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Angela Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:41 AM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Re: Wikimedia logo policy On 1/8/06, Sam Korn <smoddy(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Does the Board want projects to engage in some kind of cleanup > operation? If so, should the images be speedily deleted? Or should > we wait for another announcement? I'd suggest waiting. There's no need to be too hasty to irreversibly delete images. Let's work out the policy on derivatives first. Angela _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

1 0

2024

2023

2022

2021

2020

2019

2018

2017

2016

2015

2014

2013

2012

2011

2010

2009

2008

2007

2006

2005

2004

Wikimedia-l January 2006