hello.
we currently have some problems with identifying current issues on the site, and
knowing what needs to be done, and so on. i've decided it would be a good idea
to spend some time on 'management' stuff like this, so i'm trying to come up
with a suitable procedure to make sure things work smoothly.
as such, i'd like to propose a new way to manage issues:
the primary point of contact for site issues will be the existing NOC ticket
system, noc(a)wikimedia.org. users should mail this address with any technical
issues *relating to the Wikimedia sites* (i.e., it does not replace bugzilla for
MediaWiki). confirmed issues will be moved to the new "issues" queue by the
"issues manager" (well, you know everyone needs a title). this will also apply
to requests from developers; for example, things that need to be done by the
on-site developer (previously Chad), and other developers (paid developers in
particular).
the issues manager can then formulate a list of tasks required to resolve each
issue, and place them on a wiki page somewhere (probably split by particular
people, and tasks for all developers). there's then a central place to look to
know what needs to be done. further, this can be used to produce a list of
open and resolved problems on the site, and what was done to fix them, to keep
users and the board better informed of what's going on. (for example, a weekly
'issues summary' mail to the list).
this can also be used as central point of contact for communications with
outside partners, such as Kennisnet and Lost Oasis (although purely for
technical matters, not negotiations).
unless anyone has strenuous objections to this, i'd like to try it immediately;
we can see how well it works, or whether anything needs to be changed. as i'm
not doing much actual developer work recently, i'll probably take on the role of
issues manager...
any comments appreciated.
regards,
kate.
An open Wikimedia meeting will be held on IRC today.
An agenda is at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_agenda#August_week_4 - please
suggest additions on the talk page.
So far, the agenda includes:
# Status of Wikicouncil
# Wikinews: license and Chinese version
# Seed wiki for potential new projects
# Possible wiki closures: Simple, Klingon, Sep11, Others...?
If you are interested in any of these topics, please come and give
your opinion during the meeting.
The meeting will be in #wikimedia-meeting. For anyone without an IRC
client, I've created a temporary CGI gateway at
http://irc.wikicities.com/meeting/
The meeting starts at 20:00 UTC
(<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Timezone_conversion>) and should last
no more than two hours.
Angela.
Finally new wikistats
See http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2005-August/004043.html
for an explanation why they could not be run for so long.
For some projects, like wikipedia, the newest dumps are already 6 weeks old.
Please don't ask me for next update, as it is not in my hands.
Data for French and German wikipedias are missing.
For French I will have to look into why the job failed.
For German the full xml database export is corrupt.
Erik Zachte
Could people who speak French please take a closer look? I understand
quite well and in particular the thing about copyrights is not correct.
For now I asked Gabi to pass me the addesss of the mailing list, since
things like these need to be immediately sorted out otherwise they can
really harm. This is one of those messages that will reach I don't know
how many translators (we are at least at some four or five thousand now
if Gabi passed this article forward considering in how many different
lists she is) and as you know: translators do translate - also messages
from other lists that sometimes could contain wrong data. This is one of
the disadvantages of fast comunication if you don't intervene
immediately a wrong message spreads anywhere.
Translators in many particular situations can make a huge difference.
So please help me to get things right.
Thanks, Sabine
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Fw: Wi ki ? Wi ki ? (et recherches documentaires sur l'Internet)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 08:39:53 +0200
From: Gabi Francois
To: Sabine Cretella <cretella.s(a)cretella.de>
Kam eben über eine französische Liste.
LG
Gabi
--------------------------------------------
D'expérience, je dirais qu'il faut savoir être prudent lors de la
lecture des fiches de Wikipedia. J'en ai déjà consulté le contenu et j'ai
constaté que le sérieux de leur contenu dépend de celui de leurs rédacteurs
et relecteurs respectifs ; or les uns et les autres peuvent être n'importe
lesquels.
N'étant qu'informaticien, je me suis borné à consulter les fiches
concernant mon domaine. Pour cela, j'ai consulté trois versions dans les
langues que je connais : anglais, français, allemand. Résultat global : peut
mieux faire !
Voyons ce que dit cette encyclopédique sur l'inventeur de
l'ordinateur en 1941, l'allemand ZUSE. En français : néant. En anglais : un
seul article assez bref. En allemand : un seul article, bien moins détaillé
que les différentes pages se trouvant sur Internet. Aucun ne parle
clairement de sa longue bataille perdue sur les brevets (1938-1967)
concernant notamment la mémoire d'un ordinateur, ni (tout juste mentionné en
allemand) sur l'importance de sa création du premier langage de haut niveau
en 1946, bien avant les réalisations aux États-Unis (1960).
En regard, l'anglais TURING a droit à de longues pages dans toutes
les langues, bien qu'il n'ait créé ses premiers ordinateurs qu'après la
deuxième guerre mondiale (pendant la guerre, il n'a créé que des machines de
déchiffrement).
De son côté, l'allemand von NEUMANN est qualifié d'Américain et
inventeur de l'ordinateur, alors qu'il était originaire de Hongrie, membre
de la communauté scientifique allemande et résident en Europe puis émigré
aux États-Unis seulement en 1937 et que ses premières publications sur
l'architecture d'un ordinateur ne datent que de 1946-1947.
Passons maintenant aux inventeurs français :
- CARMILLE, le français inventeur de la notion d'identifiant pour les bases
de données en 1934. Anglais : inconnu. Français : inconnu. Allemand :
inconnu.
- GERNELLE, créateur du premier micro-ordinateur au monde en 1973. Anglais :
inconnu. Français : inconnu. Allemand : inconnu. André TRUONG, l'industriel
qui a produit cet ordinateur la même année: inconnu de même.
Cherchons maintenant un inventeur des États-Unis : HYATT Gilbert,
créateur du premier microprocesseur en 1970, soit deux ans avant que Intel
en commercialise un. Anglais : connaît la chaîne d'hôtels homonyme (quelle
ironie !) Français
: inconnu. Allemand : inconnu.
Voyons enfin un inventeur soviétique : LEBEDEV, créateur des
premiers ordinateurs de l'URSS après-guerre. Anglais : une toute petite
page, pas plus grande qu'un écran. Français : inconnu. Allemand : ne cite
que l'institut portant son nom (ce qui est là aussi assez ironique).
Wikipedia se distingue également en mal pour d'autres raisons : si
n'importe qui peut rédiger ou modifier une fiche sous sa responsabilité,
quelque soit la valeur de son contenu, son nom n'apparaît pas dans la fiche,
seule figurant son adresse électronique dans l'historique de la rédaction
pour les éventuels utilisateurs pensant à le consulter (oubli du droit
moral) et de plus en cédant de force tous ses droits d'auteur dans le cadre
d'une licence dite libre, interprétée à sens unique, comportant notamment
des restrictions (abandon forcé des droits patrimoniaux au profit exclusif
de Wikipedia), toutes choses contraires au droit commun selon la Convention
de Berne.
Or Wikipedia se situe aux États-Unis, pays signataire de la
convention en question.
___________________________________
Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB
http://mail.yahoo.it
Hello.
The mail claims:
* moral rights are violated since authors are only displayed
in history
* only the mail (?) and not the name is displayed in the
history, which violates moral rights
* authors yield their exclusive right of ownership to
Wikipedia. This is wrong imo: authors licence the content
under the GFDL, but keep ownership, articles are the authors'
property, not Wikipedia's. And authors still have their right
to licence their contribution to something else - but all
content written on Wikipedia is GFDL.
Of course IANAL, so someone else will explain more in details :)
Nicolas
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The Board has been using OTRS (<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTRS>)
for around a year now to receive mails sent to the "board at
wikimedia.org" address. However, the volume of mail received there has
become too much to deal with, so this has been split into two queues:
Board and Board-Private.
Everyone with an official position
(<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_organigram#Wikimedia_committees_and_Offi…>)
now has full access to the Board queue, where they will be able to
deal with any mails relevant to their own position, or move mails that
really do need to be answered by the Board to the Board's new private
queue.
Any pages on the wikis that mention the board at wikimedia.org address
should be updated to explain that it is no longer only the Board who
will be reading mails sent there.
See also http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PR_department which explains
the other queues in OTRS.
Angela.
>
> ilya haykinson wrote:
For what it's worth, it makes little sense for Wikipedia to use
> Wikinews content beyond what's considered fair use. Wikinews is not an
> encyclopedia and tries to not have any encyclopedic articles, and the
> Wikipedia "current events" section is really short enough of a mention
> that it's fair use at worst and wholly original at best.
>
>
>
Please consider that fair use is not an option for some (a lot of?)
Wikipedia's.
-Fruggo
Félicitations!
The Wikipedia deserves it!
Steve
On 9/3/05, foundation-l-request(a)wikimedia.org <
foundation-l-request(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
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> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. RE: Re: We made it !!!!!! (valdelli(a)bluemail.ch)
> 2. Re: Re: We made it !!!!!! DVD (Walter van Kalken)
> 3. Re: We made it !!!!!! (Ashar Voultoiz)
> 4. Re: We made it !!!!!! (Dariusz Siedlecki)
> 5. Re: We made it !!!!!! (Jean-Baptiste Soufron)
> 6. Re: Re: We made it !!!!!! (Delphine M?nard)
> 7. Re: We made it !!!!!! (Przykuta)
> 8. Re: We made it !!!!!! (Lars Aronsson)
> 9. Re: We made it !!!!!! (Brion Vibber)
> 10. Re: We made it !!!!!! (Anthere)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 22:03:45 +0200
> From: valdelli(a)bluemail.ch
> Subject: RE: [Foundation-l] Re: We made it !!!!!!
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <4314D6CF00017832(a)mssbzhb-int.msg.bluewin.ch>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> Yes, I know. This is the good moment (also here in Swiss and in Italy),
> but
> the newspapers always are finding news... when the news are not new, this
> the moment to kill the old news :)
>
> Finally, I think that bad moments will follow. This is the moment to
> contact
> the journalists who write these articles and to offer the availability for
> new informations. This is the moment to construct references and links to
> manage the next steps.
>
> Ilario
>
> >-- Messaggio originale --
> >To: foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org
> >From: Anthere <anthere9(a)yahoo.com>
> >Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:39:01 +0200
> >Subject: [Foundation-l] Re: We made it !!!!!!
> >Reply-To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
> >
> >
> >valdelli(a)bluemail.ch wrote:
> >> Yes, for the French people. :)
> >>
> >> Ilario
> >
> >No. Not really. Not only for french people. Each time we have a major
> >media display in a country, the *whole* project directly or indirectly
> >benefit from it.
> >
> >I have been on Wikipedia for now 3 years and a half, and for all this
> >time, I have been dreaming on us having an article in Le Monde. We had
> >once a tiny little report in the cultural section. Very little impact.
> >But here, we are featured on first page.
> >
> >The impact of this is likely to be huge, because it means a sort of
> >recognition. In particular we can expect
> >1) more fear from all those we are currently in competition with, so
> >possibly more attacks
> >2) but mostly more interest from potential partners, be it firms,
> >organisations, associations, academics etc...
> >
> >The implications might be various. Possibly an impact on the publication
> >
> >of a DVD (which might be interesting for more than just french people).
>
> >Possibly a partnership for publication of wikireaders (and similarly,
> >why would we limit that to french language ?). Possibly a lever to
> >negociate with organisations such as ESA, which would benefit all of us.
> >And quite possibly as well, more donations, since we are currently in
> >the middle of a fund drive (more money will benefit all of us).
> >
> >We are together in this Ilario. Not just french, or just italian ;-)
> >
> >ant
> >
> >
> >>>We are in first page of Le Monde, with several pages included inside.
> >>>Le Monde is the *first* newspaper in France. This is an amazing day.
> >>>
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >foundation-l mailing list
> >foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org
> >http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:07:46 +0700
> From: Walter van Kalken <walter(a)vankalken.net>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Re: We made it !!!!!! DVD
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <4318B112.8010604(a)vankalken.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
>
> >
> > The implications might be various. Possibly an impact on the
> > publication of a DVD (which might be interesting for more than just
> > french people).
>
> On a DVD my father and a bussinessparter for his have been experimenting
> with a DVD edition for the nl.wikipedia. They are interested in a recent
> dump. Once they figure out all technicalities, we want to talk with the
> board about it.
>
> Waerth/Walter
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:56:21 +0200
> From: Ashar Voultoiz <hashar(a)altern.org>
> Subject: [Foundation-l] Re: We made it !!!!!!
> To: foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org
> Message-ID: <dfae9l$9hc$1(a)sea.gmane.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Anthere wrote:
> > We are in first page of Le Monde, with several pages included inside.
> > Le Monde is the *first* newspaper in France. This is an amazing day.
> >
> > http://www.lemonde.fr/
> >
> > Anthere
>
> Is that only on the website or also on "la une" of the paper version ?
>
> --
> Ashar Voultoiz - WP++++
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hashar
> http://www.livejournal.com/community/wikitech/
> IM: hashar(a)jabber.org ICQ: 15325080
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 23:14:17 +0200
> From: Dariusz Siedlecki <datrio(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] We made it !!!!!!
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <283332d2050902141468a71a0d(a)mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> 2005/9/2, Anthere <anthere9(at)yahoo.com>:
> > We are in first page of Le Monde, with several pages included inside.
> > Le Monde is the *first* newspaper in France. This is an amazing day.
>
> Congratulations on behalf of the Polish Wikipedia (which will hit 100k
> articles this month ;).
>
> > Anthere
>
> --
> Pozdrawiam,
> Dariusz "Datrio" Siedlecki
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 01:43:56 +0200
> From: Jean-Baptiste Soufron <jbsoufron(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] We made it !!!!!!
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <4318E3BC.4060903(a)gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Vive la fête !
>
> Anthere a écrit :
> > We are in first page of Le Monde, with several pages included inside.
> > Le Monde is the *first* newspaper in France. This is an amazing day.
> >
> > http://www.lemonde.fr/
> >
> > Anthere
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > foundation-l mailing list
> > foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org
> > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 01:48:41 +0200
> From: Delphine M?nard <notafishz(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Re: We made it !!!!!!
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <453b6e5050902164841dc8189(a)mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 9/2/05, Ashar Voultoiz <hashar(a)altern.org> wrote:
> > > We are in first page of Le Monde, with several pages included inside.
> > > Le Monde is the *first* newspaper in France. This is an amazing day.
>
> > Is that only on the website or also on "la une" of the paper version ?
>
> Also the paper version... today's (3rd September) edition.
>
> Which is...even more than great :D
>
> Just to make things clear, Le Monde is not the *biggest* newspaper in
> France, as it prints only around 350000 ex a day, far from the first
> daily newspaper in France "Ouest France" (more than a million) but in
> terms of recognition, it is definitely one of the greatest. Making it
> to the first page of Le Monde is *big*.
>
> Delphine
> --
> ~notafish
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:07:35 +0200
> From: Przykuta <przykuta(a)o2.pl>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] We made it !!!!!!
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <20050903070735.0A801543CC(a)rekin17.go2.pl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2";
>
>
>
> > We are in first page of Le Monde, with several pages included inside.
> > Le Monde is the *first* newspaper in France. This is an amazing day.
> >
> > http://www.lemonde.fr/
> >
> > Anthere
> >
> It's nice :)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:40:15 +0200 (CEST)
> From: Lars Aronsson <lars(a)aronsson.se>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] We made it !!!!!!
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0509031136480.25292(a)sara.aronsson.se>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Anthere wrote:
> > We are in first page of Le Monde, with several pages included inside.
> > Le Monde is the *first* newspaper in France. This is an amazing day.
> > http://www.lemonde.fr/
>
> Congratulations to the media attention! However, that article
> refers to http://wikipedia.fr/ and the website at this URL opens a
> frameset which includes fr.wikipedia.org <http://fr.wikipedia.org>. This
> has the
> unfortunate effect that the web browser's address field says
> http://wikipedia.fr/ even when I go to other articles, making it
> harder to find a bookmarkable URL for pages. It would be easy
> enough for fr.wikipedia.org <http://fr.wikipedia.org> to contain some
> JavaScript that
> escapes the enclosing frameset, but it would be better to change
> wikipedia.fr <http://wikipedia.fr> into a redirect instead of this evil
> frameset.
>
>
> --
> Lars Aronsson (lars(a)aronsson.se)
> Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:16:49 -0700
> From: Brion Vibber <brion(a)pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] We made it !!!!!!
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <43197811.1070005(a)pobox.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Lars Aronsson wrote:
> > Congratulations to the media attention! However, that article
> > refers to http://wikipedia.fr/ and the website at this URL opens a
> > frameset which includes fr.wikipedia.org <http://fr.wikipedia.org>. This
> has the
> > unfortunate effect that the web browser's address field says
> > http://wikipedia.fr/ even when I go to other articles, making it
> > harder to find a bookmarkable URL for pages. It would be easy
> > enough for fr.wikipedia.org <http://fr.wikipedia.org> to contain some
> JavaScript that
> > escapes the enclosing frameset,
>
> We do have such JavaScript, and it seems to work fine there in breaking
> out so fr.wikipedia.org <http://fr.wikipedia.org> reaches the top-level.
> (Tested Safari 2.0.1)
>
> > but it would be better to change
> > wikipedia.fr <http://wikipedia.fr> into a redirect instead of this evil
> frameset.
>
> Do we own or control it?
>
> -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com <http://pobox.com>)
>