Dan Grey wrote:
>--- Samuel Klein <2.718281828(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>>That seems rather uncalled for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Protecting copyright is uncalled for?
>>>
>>>
>>Considering the origins of that site, and the people
>>using it, your
>>reaction is a bit on the touchy side.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I'm not sure how that justifies a private site
>>>
>>>
>>using a
>>
>>
>>>copyrighted Wikimedia logo without permission.
>>>
>>>
>>Private in the loosest possible sense. And what
>>does it mean for a
>>project people are still working on to be 'dead in
>>the water'? In any
>>case, I would feel better about this thread if it
>>had been started by
>>someone with no private bone to pick with said site
>>operator; but you
>>don't like him at all. Perhaps you can find someone
>>else to help you
>>advocate your points.
>>
>>SJ
>>
>>
>
>This mail has finally arrived through Yahoo :-)
>
>Just for the record: the operator of that site and I
>get along very well - we chat most days in IRC. After
>reading Angela's response to this issue, he closed the
>site and apologised profusely.
>
>You may wish to hesistate before leaping to
>conclusions about people's motivations.
>
>
>Dan
>
>
>
OK, I thought I would update you guys on this as I am part of that
project, freematrix networks. Nick Gerda [User:NGerda] wanted to work
with us on doing a daily news update from information on
en.wikinews.org. kyelewis and I, the two most active freematrix staffers
at the time helped him out in getting lined up to do the updates on air,
and worked with him on creating a site on a subdomain of ours to get
ready to promote it.
There was no harm meant in using the logo here. The hope was to make
wikinews into more of an actual news network type thing, even with video
broadcasts of news updates on the hour, once a day, or however you
wanted to do it.
As for us causing harm, I don't see why we would? after all freematrix
is the one that broadcasted wikimania to the masses.
Side note: we still need editors for those files so we can post them to
commons! they are stored as one long file, so they need to be chopped
up, metadata edited, and permissions and copywrites found for what they
will be released under (such as the speech given by the chineese member
is not able to be published). I should also post this as another thread
here soon, just forgot about it and didn't know which mailing lists to
post it to.
Kyle
It's just occured to me that now I've an account there, I could help
keep it up to date :o). But I it would certainly help me and maybe
others if we had some guidelines for what should and should not be
listed there. I think the emphasis should be on what effects/could
effect users.
As a starting point:
1. new equipment news (purchases, bits going on-line etc)
2. board meeting reports going out
3. Officer appointments/changes
4. Budget announcements
5. Specific technical incidents that affected site
These are pretty much what's going on there now. What else could be
suitable? What sort of things shouldn't go on there? Perhaps any
issue/event that doesn't effect *all* projects?
Dan
I like this idea as a repository of knowledge. Oral history is a remarkable
took, when used correctly, as it personalizes major events and provides
insights into events that would not otherwise be available to researchers.
Furthermore, we live in one of the most exciting periods in history, with outstanding
events that need recording before the people who witnessed them are no
longer around to tell their story.
I would support a project like this, however, I would ask that it follow
certain strict guidelines so as to help sift through the stories.
Thanks for the comments, Mav.
In my conception (hardly original or final), Wikimemory would focus on
common, significant, historical *experiences* rather than the
individuals. The top level categories in Wikimemory would, then, be
historical experiences: "The Vietnam War," "The Cultural Revolution,"
"Encounters with Jimmy Carter," "The Red Sox winning the World Series,"
"The Beatles Final Concert," "Hurricane Katrina" and so on. Pretty much
anything with a witness, a place, a date and a bit of significance to
"your community" (very broadly defined) would fit.
Both Wikipeople and (to a lesser extent) Wikimemorial seem focused on
individuals, and that seems to me to be a separate, important kind of
information. Does that make sense?
Linking the experiences recorded in Wikimemory with entries on the
witnesses in Wikipeople is a great idea, though.
Best, Marshall
Marshall Poe, Ph.D.
The Atlantic Monthly
600 New Hampshire Ave. NW
Washington, DC 20037
202-266-6511
mpoe(a)theatlantic.com
Hello there,
> We have been working up a bids for East London and Reading to bring
> WikiMania to UK in 2006, and I see Toronto have also put in a strong
> bid.
>
> But I can also see Cleveland on a different page! I have just
> discovered their bid today!
>
> Where are
> 1) the planned bids
> 2) the official bids
>
> exactly on WikiPedia? Should everything be moved to MetaWiki now??
>
> Also, what are the deadlines for Wikimania 2006? Where are they
> stated precisely?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Gordon Joly, East London
> aka
> LoopZilla
The bidding process has started at the beginning of this month. (see
here: http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2005-September/004184.html)
All bids should be on meta and follow the rules explained here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2006/Official_requirements_for_pot…,
that's also where you will find the official bids, if they are listed,
of course (I just added Cleveland to the list ;-) )
Thank you and hurray for the first European applications!
Best,
Delphine
--
~notafish
Hopefully we have backups of Wikisource's content...
I went to Wikisource to archive some press releases, got this message when I
clicked on the link from the en.wikisource.org
<http://en.wikisource.org>mainpage
The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found,
named "Press".
This is usually caused by following an outdated diff or history link to a
page that has been deleted.
If this is not the case, you may have found a bug in the software. Please
report this to an administrator, making note of the URL.
I tried clicking on other pages, like "Historical documents" and "The Jewish
State", all came up with page specific variants of this message.
Nick Moreau/Zanimum
Dear Friends:
I've proposed a new wiki--Wikimemory (or Wikimemoir, or IWasThereWiki,
or something better). It's logged in the Meta section on new proposals.
Here's the pitch:
The idea is to provide a place where anyone can record his or her
memoirs of historically significant events. Most everyone has
participated in such occurrences. Take, for example, the hundreds of
thousands who were affected the recent tragedy in New Orleans.
Unfortunately, there is no repository for the storage of the memories of
such people. Their experiences can neither be shared with others today
(I, for one, would like to read first-hand accounts of the New Orleans
floods), and they will be lost to history tomorrow. In ten, one hundred
or one thousand years, the memoirs of those "who were there" will be
very valuable. Wikimemory will, I hope, allow people all over the world
to record their experiences, share them with others, and pass them to
the future. I've created a mock-up of the site at
http://memoirbank.com/.
A nice tag line for the site: "Everyone has a story. Make yours
history."
I'd love to hear what you think.
Best,
Marshall Poe, Ph.D.
The Atlantic Monthly
600 New Hampshire Ave. NW
Washington, DC 20037
202-266-6511
mpoe(a)theatlantic.com
I'm not entirely sure if I've done the best job here to get this going,
but at least I'm trying. As per the schedule that I proposed to earlier
(and got absolutely no objection or notice of any kind about the time to
start this vote) the voting is starting today and will last through
November 1st (that is about six weeks of voting). We have the
"required" minimum of five different languages for this vote, but it
would be nice to add a couple of other languages for this process as
well... especially Spanish. If you can help translate especially the
voting page, it would be appreciated. This is just a simple yes or no
vote if you want to see this project started. Voting can be done
through this page on meta:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity/Vote
(find the language you are most comfortable with)
Please add discussion about the proposal on the main Wikiversity page on
Meta, or in the respective "beta" project pages that have already started.
The following announcement was also translated, so it can be added to
the "water cooler" sections of each sister project, as appropriate for
each language. I'll try to do it as time permits, and I'm trying to
disseminate this announcement as far and as wide as I can:
Wikiversity Abstimmung
Die Abstimmung <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity/Vote/de> über
das neue Wikimedia Schwesterprojekt Wikiversity
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity> hat begonnen. Dies ist ein
Aufruf an alle Interssierten ihre Stimme für oder gegen diesen neuen
Projektvorschlag. Das Ergebnis der Abstimmung wird entscheiden, ob
dieses Projekt auf einer eigenen Gruppe von wikis als Wikimedia
Schwesterprojekt gestartet wird (vorausgesetzt, das Board gibt seine
Zustimmung). Diskussionen über den Vorschlag sollten auf der Wikiversity
Diskussionsseite <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikiversity>
stattfinden.
Wikiversity Vote
Voting <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity/Vote/en> has started
for a new Wikimedia sister project proposal called Wikiversity
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity>. This is a request for
anybody that is interested to cast a vote either in support or
opposition to this new project proposal. The results of this vote will
determine if this project will be started on its own seperate group of
wikis as a Wikimedia sister project, together with approval from the
Wikimedia Foundation Board. Discussion about this proposal should take
place on the Wikiversity discussion page
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikiversity>.
Vote Wikiversité
Un vote a commencé pour un nouveau projet Wikimédia qui s'appelle
Wikiversité <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity>. Si vous
approuvez ou opposez ce projet, veuillez exprimer votre suffrage
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity/Vote/fr>. Le résultat de ce
vote, ainsi que la décision du Conseil d'administration, déterminera si
ou non ce projet commencera comme projet Wikimédia. Débat sur la
proposition se trouve sur sa page de discussion
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikiversity>.
Voto per Wikiversity
Una votazione <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity/Vote/it> è
iniziata per la proposta di un nuovo progetto di Wikimedia chiamato
Wikiversity <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity>. Questa è una
richiesta pet chiunque sia interessato a dare un voto pro o contro
questa nuova proposta di progetto. I risultati di questo voto
determineranno se questo progetto verrà avviato su un gruppo di wiki a
se stante, come progetto di Wikimedia, assieme all'approvazione del
consiglio di amministrazione della Wikimedia Foundation. La discussione
su questa proposta deve svolgersi sulla pagina di discussione di
Wikiversity <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikiversity>.
Votação Wikiversidade
A votação <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity/Vote/pt> já
começou para um novo projeto da Wikimedia chamado Wikiversidade
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity>. Este é um pedido para
qualquer um que esteja interessado em votar tanto para apoiar quanto
para opor-se a esta nova proposta de projeto. Os resultados dessa
votação irão determinar se este projeto deverá ser iniciado em seu novo
grupo de wikis separados como projeto da Wikimedia, junto da aprovação
do Conselho Diretivo da Wikimedia. Discussões sobre esta proposta devem
acontecer na página de discussão do Wikiversidade
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikiversity>, em inglês.
--
Robert Scott Horning
Hello all,
I asked FishBase (http://www.fishbase.org; there are articles about it in
nl:, en: and de:) to share their data with us to write articles.
I think we can have a productive cooperation, but I'm not sure yet about the
exact things. I forward their mail for your information.
Cheers,
Jelle Zijlstra
(Ucucha from nl.wikipedia)
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rainer Froese <rfroese(a)ifm-geomar.de>
Date: Sep 14, 2005 9:34 AM
Subject: RE: FishBase and a Wikipedia
To: jelle.zijlstra(a)gmail.com
Cc: "Pablico, Grace (WorldFish)" <g.pablico(a)cgiar.org>, Nicolas Bailly <
n.bailly(a)cgiar.org>, "Sven Kullander (Sven Kullander)" <ve-sven(a)nrm.se>,
"Eli Agbayani (Agbayani, Eli)" <e.agbayani(a)cgiar.org>, Sven Mohr <
sven.mohr(a)web.de>
Dear Jelle S. Zijlstra,
Collaboration between FishBase and Wikipedia is indeed a good idea. As a
first step we can deep-link from FishBase to all pages in Wikipedia that
contain information on fishes. All we need for this is a list of the
scientific names and the respective Wikipedia URLs. We would expect similar
links from Wikipedia into FishBase. We can provide a respective list of
scientific names and FishBase URLs. I am not sure how that would then be
implemented in Wikipedia. Given that we are talking about 29,000 species
manual editing is not an option.
A next step would be to create new species pages directly from FishBase as
new postings in Wikipedia. We can create a routine that would put together
the respective information. Again I am not sure how that would then be
incorporated in Wikipedia, as again manual entry is not an option. Maybe you
can establish contact to colleagues who have direct access to the database
behind Wikipedia?
I copy this to some colleagues who may have additional ideas or
suggestions.
Greetings
Rainer
Dr. Rainer Froese
Leibniz-Institut für Meereswissenschaften
IfM-GEOMAR
Düsternbrooker Weg 20
24105 Kiel
Germany
Tel. +49 431 600 4579
Fax +49 431 600 1699
rfroese(a)ifm-geomar.de
www.fishbase.org <http://www.fishbase.org>
http://filaman.uni-kiel.de/ifm-geomar/rfroese/
-----Original Message-----
*From:* Jelle Zijlstra [mailto:jelle.zijlstra@gmail.com]
*Posted At:* Saturday, 2005 September 10 3:18 AM
*Posted To:* fishbase_cgiar_org
*Conversation:* FishBase and a Wikipedia
*Subject:* FishBase and a Wikipedia
Hello,
I am user Ucucha from the Dutch Wikipedia (http://nl.wikipedia.org).
Wikipedia, as you may know, is an online encyclopedia under GNU-FDL that can
be edited by anyone.
I think we have too few articles about fish in our encyclopedia. I think it
might be possible to make pages automatically from the FishBase database.
Such a page should not include too much information, I think. A good start
would be a taxobox (see for example
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_dwergmeerval), author, distribution, and
a link to the full record in FishBase.
It's my opinion that this will be good for both FishBase and Wikipedia. For
FishBase, because this will make FishBase better known under our many
visitors. For Wikipedia, because it's important for us to have articles
about all subjects, so that we can cover a broad range of subjects.
Furthermore, this will make these fish species better known, which is
probably a common goal of ours, isn't it?
Yours sincerely,
Jelle S. Zijlstra
jelle.zijlstra(a)gmail.com
Oegstgeest, The Netherlands