Wikimedia-l September 2005

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Re: [Foundation-l] External site using Wikinews logo
by Kyle Lutze 18 Sep '05

18 Sep '05

Dan Grey wrote: >--- Samuel Klein <2.718281828(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>That seems rather uncalled for. >>>> >>>> >>>Protecting copyright is uncalled for? >>> >>> >>Considering the origins of that site, and the people >>using it, your >>reaction is a bit on the touchy side. >> >> >> >>>I'm not sure how that justifies a private site >>> >>> >>using a >> >> >>>copyrighted Wikimedia logo without permission. >>> >>> >>Private in the loosest possible sense. And what >>does it mean for a >>project people are still working on to be 'dead in >>the water'? In any >>case, I would feel better about this thread if it >>had been started by >>someone with no private bone to pick with said site >>operator; but you >>don't like him at all. Perhaps you can find someone >>else to help you >>advocate your points. >> >>SJ >> >> > >This mail has finally arrived through Yahoo :-) > >Just for the record: the operator of that site and I >get along very well - we chat most days in IRC. After >reading Angela's response to this issue, he closed the >site and apologised profusely. > >You may wish to hesistate before leaping to >conclusions about people's motivations. > > >Dan > > > OK, I thought I would update you guys on this as I am part of that project, freematrix networks. Nick Gerda [User:NGerda] wanted to work with us on doing a daily news update from information on en.wikinews.org. kyelewis and I, the two most active freematrix staffers at the time helped him out in getting lined up to do the updates on air, and worked with him on creating a site on a subdomain of ours to get ready to promote it. There was no harm meant in using the logo here. The hope was to make wikinews into more of an actual news network type thing, even with video broadcasts of news updates on the hour, once a day, or however you wanted to do it. As for us causing harm, I don't see why we would? after all freematrix is the one that broadcasted wikimania to the masses. Side note: we still need editors for those files so we can post them to commons! they are stored as one long file, so they need to be chopped up, metadata edited, and permissions and copywrites found for what they will be released under (such as the speech given by the chineese member is not able to be published). I should also post this as another thread here soon, just forgot about it and didn't know which mailing lists to post it to. Kyle

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[Foundation-l] Guidelines for Latest news on WMF wiki?
by Dan Grey 18 Sep '05

18 Sep '05

It's just occured to me that now I've an account there, I could help keep it up to date :o). But I it would certainly help me and maybe others if we had some guidelines for what should and should not be listed there. I think the emphasis should be on what effects/could effect users. As a starting point: 1. new equipment news (purchases, bits going on-line etc) 2. board meeting reports going out 3. Officer appointments/changes 4. Budget announcements 5. Specific technical incidents that affected site These are pretty much what's going on there now. What else could be suitable? What sort of things shouldn't go on there? Perhaps any issue/event that doesn't effect *all* projects? Dan

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[Foundation-l] Notes and comments from fundraising meeting
by wmf＠timshell.com 18 Sep '05

18 Sep '05

Comments and conclusions from the Sept. 17 fundraising meeting are posted here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising_meeting%2C_September_2005 Please add your own comments. A log of the meeting is available here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_meeting%2C_September_2005_Log for those of you who could not attend, or for those who could attend and wish to relive the fond memories. Tim Shell

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Re: [Foundation-l] New Proposal: WikiMemory
by daniwo59＠aol.com 16 Sep '05

16 Sep '05

I like this idea as a repository of knowledge. Oral history is a remarkable took, when used correctly, as it personalizes major events and provides insights into events that would not otherwise be available to researchers. Furthermore, we live in one of the most exciting periods in history, with outstanding events that need recording before the people who witnessed them are no longer around to tell their story. I would support a project like this, however, I would ask that it follow certain strict guidelines so as to help sift through the stories.

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[Foundation-l] New Proposal: WikiMemory
by Poe, Marshall 16 Sep '05

16 Sep '05

Thanks for the comments, Mav. In my conception (hardly original or final), Wikimemory would focus on common, significant, historical *experiences* rather than the individuals. The top level categories in Wikimemory would, then, be historical experiences: "The Vietnam War," "The Cultural Revolution," "Encounters with Jimmy Carter," "The Red Sox winning the World Series," "The Beatles Final Concert," "Hurricane Katrina" and so on. Pretty much anything with a witness, a place, a date and a bit of significance to "your community" (very broadly defined) would fit. Both Wikipeople and (to a lesser extent) Wikimemorial seem focused on individuals, and that seems to me to be a separate, important kind of information. Does that make sense? Linking the experiences recorded in Wikimemory with entries on the witnesses in Wikipeople is a great idea, though. Best, Marshall Marshall Poe, Ph.D. The Atlantic Monthly 600 New Hampshire Ave. NW Washington, DC 20037 202-266-6511 mpoe(a)theatlantic.com

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[Foundation-l] Re: [Wikimania-l] WikiMania 2006 bidding process?
by Delphine Ménard 16 Sep '05

16 Sep '05

Hello there, > We have been working up a bids for East London and Reading to bring > WikiMania to UK in 2006, and I see Toronto have also put in a strong > bid. > > But I can also see Cleveland on a different page! I have just > discovered their bid today! > > Where are > 1) the planned bids > 2) the official bids > > exactly on WikiPedia? Should everything be moved to MetaWiki now?? > > Also, what are the deadlines for Wikimania 2006? Where are they > stated precisely? > > Many thanks! > > Gordon Joly, East London > aka > LoopZilla The bidding process has started at the beginning of this month. (see here: http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2005-September/004184.html) All bids should be on meta and follow the rules explained here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2006/Official_requirements_for_pot…, that's also where you will find the official bids, if they are listed, of course (I just added Cleveland to the list ;-) ) Thank you and hurray for the first European applications! Best, Delphine -- ~notafish

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[Foundation-l] Wikisource not working; hopefully all is not lost
by Nicholas Moreau 16 Sep '05

16 Sep '05

Hopefully we have backups of Wikisource's content... I went to Wikisource to archive some press releases, got this message when I clicked on the link from the en.wikisource.org <http://en.wikisource.org>mainpage The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found, named "Press". This is usually caused by following an outdated diff or history link to a page that has been deleted. If this is not the case, you may have found a bug in the software. Please report this to an administrator, making note of the URL. I tried clicking on other pages, like "Historical documents" and "The Jewish State", all came up with page specific variants of this message. Nick Moreau/Zanimum

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[Foundation-l] New Proposal: WikiMemory
by Poe, Marshall 16 Sep '05

16 Sep '05

Dear Friends: I've proposed a new wiki--Wikimemory (or Wikimemoir, or IWasThereWiki, or something better). It's logged in the Meta section on new proposals. Here's the pitch: The idea is to provide a place where anyone can record his or her memoirs of historically significant events. Most everyone has participated in such occurrences. Take, for example, the hundreds of thousands who were affected the recent tragedy in New Orleans. Unfortunately, there is no repository for the storage of the memories of such people. Their experiences can neither be shared with others today (I, for one, would like to read first-hand accounts of the New Orleans floods), and they will be lost to history tomorrow. In ten, one hundred or one thousand years, the memoirs of those "who were there" will be very valuable. Wikimemory will, I hope, allow people all over the world to record their experiences, share them with others, and pass them to the future. I've created a mock-up of the site at http://memoirbank.com/. A nice tag line for the site: "Everyone has a story. Make yours history." I'd love to hear what you think. Best, Marshall Poe, Ph.D. The Atlantic Monthly 600 New Hampshire Ave. NW Washington, DC 20037 202-266-6511 mpoe(a)theatlantic.com

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[Foundation-l] Wikiversity vote for creating a new sister project
by Robert Scott Horning 15 Sep '05

15 Sep '05

I'm not entirely sure if I've done the best job here to get this going, but at least I'm trying. As per the schedule that I proposed to earlier (and got absolutely no objection or notice of any kind about the time to start this vote) the voting is starting today and will last through November 1st (that is about six weeks of voting). We have the "required" minimum of five different languages for this vote, but it would be nice to add a couple of other languages for this process as well... especially Spanish. If you can help translate especially the voting page, it would be appreciated. This is just a simple yes or no vote if you want to see this project started. Voting can be done through this page on meta: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity/Vote (find the language you are most comfortable with) Please add discussion about the proposal on the main Wikiversity page on Meta, or in the respective "beta" project pages that have already started. The following announcement was also translated, so it can be added to the "water cooler" sections of each sister project, as appropriate for each language. I'll try to do it as time permits, and I'm trying to disseminate this announcement as far and as wide as I can: Wikiversity Abstimmung Die Abstimmung <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity/Vote/de> über das neue Wikimedia Schwesterprojekt Wikiversity <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity> hat begonnen. Dies ist ein Aufruf an alle Interssierten ihre Stimme für oder gegen diesen neuen Projektvorschlag. Das Ergebnis der Abstimmung wird entscheiden, ob dieses Projekt auf einer eigenen Gruppe von wikis als Wikimedia Schwesterprojekt gestartet wird (vorausgesetzt, das Board gibt seine Zustimmung). Diskussionen über den Vorschlag sollten auf der Wikiversity Diskussionsseite <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikiversity> stattfinden. Wikiversity Vote Voting <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity/Vote/en> has started for a new Wikimedia sister project proposal called Wikiversity <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity>. This is a request for anybody that is interested to cast a vote either in support or opposition to this new project proposal. The results of this vote will determine if this project will be started on its own seperate group of wikis as a Wikimedia sister project, together with approval from the Wikimedia Foundation Board. Discussion about this proposal should take place on the Wikiversity discussion page <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikiversity>. Vote Wikiversité Un vote a commencé pour un nouveau projet Wikimédia qui s'appelle Wikiversité <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity>. Si vous approuvez ou opposez ce projet, veuillez exprimer votre suffrage <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity/Vote/fr>. Le résultat de ce vote, ainsi que la décision du Conseil d'administration, déterminera si ou non ce projet commencera comme projet Wikimédia. Débat sur la proposition se trouve sur sa page de discussion <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikiversity>. Voto per Wikiversity Una votazione <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity/Vote/it> è iniziata per la proposta di un nuovo progetto di Wikimedia chiamato Wikiversity <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity>. Questa è una richiesta pet chiunque sia interessato a dare un voto pro o contro questa nuova proposta di progetto. I risultati di questo voto determineranno se questo progetto verrà avviato su un gruppo di wiki a se stante, come progetto di Wikimedia, assieme all'approvazione del consiglio di amministrazione della Wikimedia Foundation. La discussione su questa proposta deve svolgersi sulla pagina di discussione di Wikiversity <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikiversity>. Votação Wikiversidade A votação <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity/Vote/pt> já começou para um novo projeto da Wikimedia chamado Wikiversidade <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity>. Este é um pedido para qualquer um que esteja interessado em votar tanto para apoiar quanto para opor-se a esta nova proposta de projeto. Os resultados dessa votação irão determinar se este projeto deverá ser iniciado em seu novo grupo de wikis separados como projeto da Wikimedia, junto da aprovação do Conselho Diretivo da Wikimedia. Discussões sobre esta proposta devem acontecer na página de discussão do Wikiversidade <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikiversity>, em inglês. -- Robert Scott Horning

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[Foundation-l] Fwd: FishBase and a Wikipedia
by Jelle Zijlstra 14 Sep '05

14 Sep '05

Hello all, I asked FishBase (http://www.fishbase.org; there are articles about it in nl:, en: and de:) to share their data with us to write articles. I think we can have a productive cooperation, but I'm not sure yet about the exact things. I forward their mail for your information. Cheers, Jelle Zijlstra (Ucucha from nl.wikipedia) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rainer Froese <rfroese(a)ifm-geomar.de> Date: Sep 14, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: RE: FishBase and a Wikipedia To: jelle.zijlstra(a)gmail.com Cc: "Pablico, Grace (WorldFish)" <g.pablico(a)cgiar.org>, Nicolas Bailly < n.bailly(a)cgiar.org>, "Sven Kullander (Sven Kullander)" <ve-sven(a)nrm.se>, "Eli Agbayani (Agbayani, Eli)" <e.agbayani(a)cgiar.org>, Sven Mohr < sven.mohr(a)web.de> Dear Jelle S. Zijlstra, Collaboration between FishBase and Wikipedia is indeed a good idea. As a first step we can deep-link from FishBase to all pages in Wikipedia that contain information on fishes. All we need for this is a list of the scientific names and the respective Wikipedia URLs. We would expect similar links from Wikipedia into FishBase. We can provide a respective list of scientific names and FishBase URLs. I am not sure how that would then be implemented in Wikipedia. Given that we are talking about 29,000 species manual editing is not an option. A next step would be to create new species pages directly from FishBase as new postings in Wikipedia. We can create a routine that would put together the respective information. Again I am not sure how that would then be incorporated in Wikipedia, as again manual entry is not an option. Maybe you can establish contact to colleagues who have direct access to the database behind Wikipedia? I copy this to some colleagues who may have additional ideas or suggestions. Greetings Rainer Dr. Rainer Froese Leibniz-Institut für Meereswissenschaften IfM-GEOMAR Düsternbrooker Weg 20 24105 Kiel Germany Tel. +49 431 600 4579 Fax +49 431 600 1699 rfroese(a)ifm-geomar.de www.fishbase.org <http://www.fishbase.org> http://filaman.uni-kiel.de/ifm-geomar/rfroese/ -----Original Message----- *From:* Jelle Zijlstra [mailto:jelle.zijlstra@gmail.com] *Posted At:* Saturday, 2005 September 10 3:18 AM *Posted To:* fishbase_cgiar_org *Conversation:* FishBase and a Wikipedia *Subject:* FishBase and a Wikipedia Hello, I am user Ucucha from the Dutch Wikipedia (http://nl.wikipedia.org). Wikipedia, as you may know, is an online encyclopedia under GNU-FDL that can be edited by anyone. I think we have too few articles about fish in our encyclopedia. I think it might be possible to make pages automatically from the FishBase database. Such a page should not include too much information, I think. A good start would be a taxobox (see for example http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_dwergmeerval), author, distribution, and a link to the full record in FishBase. It's my opinion that this will be good for both FishBase and Wikipedia. For FishBase, because this will make FishBase better known under our many visitors. For Wikipedia, because it's important for us to have articles about all subjects, so that we can cover a broad range of subjects. Furthermore, this will make these fish species better known, which is probably a common goal of ours, isn't it? Yours sincerely, Jelle S. Zijlstra jelle.zijlstra(a)gmail.com Oegstgeest, The Netherlands

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