Hello all,
As Benoît already told on this list some time ago (if I remember well), people from Wikimédia France went to the European Parliament in Brussels by the end of June. There, we discussed a certain number of things, including the possibility of hosting a European WLM Awards Ceremony in the Espace Léopold/Leopoldruimte(1) (in December according to the timeline (2))
We are now in late August, so the parliamentary vacations will end soon and it's time to contact them again... But before doing that, I need to know if people from the other European countries are as excited as we are at Wikimédia France by this opportunity.
What do you think about it ?
Regards,
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Sylvain, I can't speak on behalf of the Polish Wikimedia chapter, but personally I think that this is an excellent idea, both for PR and media reasons, and of course it may potentially have an influence on our future contacts with the institutions of the EU (dreams, I know).
Only if we could manage to have not only the award ceremony, but maybe also a couple of accompanying events, too? Wikimedia Poland will organise an exhibition of the winning POTY pictures in late September, and I think there will be no problem with lending the materials for the ceremony in Brussels if there will by an interest in that.
You have my full support for the idea and if you'll need an official help from our chapter, just let me know; I hope that other people will also find the idea interesting.
Warm regards, - -- Tomasz Kozłowski | [[user:odder]]
Hello,
I am very excited. :-)
Ziko
2011/8/23 Tomasz Kozłowski odder.wiki@gmail.com:
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Sylvain, I can't speak on behalf of the Polish Wikimedia chapter, but personally I think that this is an excellent idea, both for PR and media reasons, and of course it may potentially have an influence on our future contacts with the institutions of the EU (dreams, I know).
Only if we could manage to have not only the award ceremony, but maybe also a couple of accompanying events, too? Wikimedia Poland will organise an exhibition of the winning POTY pictures in late September, and I think there will be no problem with lending the materials for the ceremony in Brussels if there will by an interest in that.
You have my full support for the idea and if you'll need an official help from our chapter, just let me know; I hope that other people will also find the idea interesting.
Warm regards,
Tomasz Kozłowski | [[user:odder]]
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I can't speak on behalf of Wikimedia Germany or the german Wikipedia community either, but also think that it's a great idea! It would really show how european the contest is.
We're planning on having exhibitions as well, so we'd be able to bring (possibly framed) pictures as well, but it's too early to think about this yet - first, we need to get pictures at all ;-)
Best regards,
Kilian
2011/8/23 Tomasz Kozłowski odder.wiki@gmail.com
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Sylvain, I can't speak on behalf of the Polish Wikimedia chapter, but personally I think that this is an excellent idea, both for PR and media reasons, and of course it may potentially have an influence on our future contacts with the institutions of the EU (dreams, I know).
Only if we could manage to have not only the award ceremony, but maybe also a couple of accompanying events, too? Wikimedia Poland will organise an exhibition of the winning POTY pictures in late September, and I think there will be no problem with lending the materials for the ceremony in Brussels if there will by an interest in that.
You have my full support for the idea and if you'll need an official help from our chapter, just let me know; I hope that other people will also find the idea interesting.
Warm regards,
Tomasz Kozłowski | [[user:odder]]
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Of course!, It's a great opportunity!!
As others have commented, I think that it could be a new step in relations between the wiki movement and the EU administration and that it could be very interesting for future contacts.
I support your idea, and if I can help with something, you only have to whistle me ;).
Elisardojm
2011/8/23 Sylvain Boissel sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
Hello all,
As Benoît already told on this list some time ago (if I remember well), people from Wikimédia France went to the European Parliament in Brussels by the end of June. There, we discussed a certain number of things, including the possibility of hosting a European WLM Awards Ceremony in the Espace Léopold/Leopoldruimte(1) (in December according to the timeline (2))
We are now in late August, so the parliamentary vacations will end soon and it's time to contact them again... But before doing that, I need to know if people from the other European countries are as excited as we are at Wikimédia France by this opportunity.
What do you think about it ?
Regards,
Sylvain Boissel Wikimédia France - Tech and community manager www.wikimedia.fr 06.18.90.71.04 - sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espace_L%C3%A9opold (2) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Timeline
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Hi Sylvain, all,
although it sounds exciting, I'm afraid we have to be realistic. 1) it is rather impossible to fly in all winners - even if we have the budget for that (which we don't) - because of the tight time frame. If we fly nobody in, it would basically be a press conference, and no press will be really interested in that I assume. 2) currently, we have no budget for a ceremony - so you would have to find that (there was money budgetted, but since we were not able to fill in all budget with money from chapters, we have to limit ourselves) 3) at least Maarten and I have no time to organize such a meeting - it requires quite a lot of work because you need to get an interesting program to attract people in the first place. 4) We got accepted at DISH 2011, and can do the prize announcement in the presentation there.
In other words: although it sounds like an exciting opportunity, it requires a lot of work and budget - both recourses being thin spread. If someone else is able to find the budget and capacity to organize it, we can of course consider it though - but in that case I'd like to know first a bit more what such a ceremony would look like.
best,
lodewijk
2011/8/23 Sylvain Boissel sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
Hello all,
As Benoît already told on this list some time ago (if I remember well), people from Wikimédia France went to the European Parliament in Brussels by the end of June. There, we discussed a certain number of things, including the possibility of hosting a European WLM Awards Ceremony in the Espace Léopold/Leopoldruimte(1) (in December according to the timeline (2))
We are now in late August, so the parliamentary vacations will end soon and it's time to contact them again... But before doing that, I need to know if people from the other European countries are as excited as we are at Wikimédia France by this opportunity.
What do you think about it ?
Regards,
Sylvain Boissel Wikimédia France - Tech and community manager www.wikimedia.fr 06.18.90.71.04 - sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espace_L%C3%A9opold (2) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Timeline
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Unfortunately, that's true...
What about "just" an exhibition, then? There could be a vernissage as an event and maybe one or two jurors and one or two winners from nearby could attend?
Kilian
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.orgwrote:
Hi Sylvain, all,
although it sounds exciting, I'm afraid we have to be realistic.
- it is rather impossible to fly in all winners - even if we have the
budget for that (which we don't) - because of the tight time frame. If we fly nobody in, it would basically be a press conference, and no press will be really interested in that I assume. 2) currently, we have no budget for a ceremony - so you would have to find that (there was money budgetted, but since we were not able to fill in all budget with money from chapters, we have to limit ourselves) 3) at least Maarten and I have no time to organize such a meeting - it requires quite a lot of work because you need to get an interesting program to attract people in the first place. 4) We got accepted at DISH 2011, and can do the prize announcement in the presentation there.
In other words: although it sounds like an exciting opportunity, it requires a lot of work and budget - both recourses being thin spread. If someone else is able to find the budget and capacity to organize it, we can of course consider it though - but in that case I'd like to know first a bit more what such a ceremony would look like.
best,
lodewijk
2011/8/23 Sylvain Boissel sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
Hello all,
As Benoît already told on this list some time ago (if I remember well), people from Wikimédia France went to the European Parliament in Brussels by the end of June. There, we discussed a certain number of things, including the possibility of hosting a European WLM Awards Ceremony in the Espace Léopold/Leopoldruimte(1) (in December according to the timeline (2))
We are now in late August, so the parliamentary vacations will end soon and it's time to contact them again... But before doing that, I need to know if people from the other European countries are as excited as we are at Wikimédia France by this opportunity.
What do you think about it ?
Regards,
Sylvain Boissel Wikimédia France - Tech and community manager www.wikimedia.fr 06.18.90.71.04 - sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espace_L%C3%A9opold (2) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Timeline
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We could definitely do that, but the same conditions apply - budget and organization :) If someone wants to pick that kind of thing up, that would be great though! Exhibitions are definitely cool.
Lodewijk
2011/8/23 Kilian Kluge kilian@k-kluge.de
Unfortunately, that's true...
What about "just" an exhibition, then? There could be a vernissage as an event and maybe one or two jurors and one or two winners from nearby could attend?
Kilian
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.orgwrote:
Hi Sylvain, all,
although it sounds exciting, I'm afraid we have to be realistic.
- it is rather impossible to fly in all winners - even if we have the
budget for that (which we don't) - because of the tight time frame. If we fly nobody in, it would basically be a press conference, and no press will be really interested in that I assume. 2) currently, we have no budget for a ceremony - so you would have to find that (there was money budgetted, but since we were not able to fill in all budget with money from chapters, we have to limit ourselves) 3) at least Maarten and I have no time to organize such a meeting - it requires quite a lot of work because you need to get an interesting program to attract people in the first place. 4) We got accepted at DISH 2011, and can do the prize announcement in the presentation there.
In other words: although it sounds like an exciting opportunity, it requires a lot of work and budget - both recourses being thin spread. If someone else is able to find the budget and capacity to organize it, we can of course consider it though - but in that case I'd like to know first a bit more what such a ceremony would look like.
best,
lodewijk
2011/8/23 Sylvain Boissel sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
Hello all,
As Benoît already told on this list some time ago (if I remember well), people from Wikimédia France went to the European Parliament in Brussels by the end of June. There, we discussed a certain number of things, including the possibility of hosting a European WLM Awards Ceremony in the Espace Léopold/Leopoldruimte(1) (in December according to the timeline (2))
We are now in late August, so the parliamentary vacations will end soon and it's time to contact them again... But before doing that, I need to know if people from the other European countries are as excited as we are at Wikimédia France by this opportunity.
What do you think about it ?
Regards,
Sylvain Boissel Wikimédia France - Tech and community manager www.wikimedia.fr 06.18.90.71.04 - sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espace_L%C3%A9opold (2) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Timeline
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2011/8/23 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Hi Sylvain, all,
although it sounds exciting, I'm afraid we have to be realistic.
- it is rather impossible to fly in all winners - even if we have the
budget for that (which we don't) - because of the tight time frame. If we fly nobody in, it would basically be a press conference, and no press will be really interested in that I assume.
If by "all winners", you mean the 180 winners (10 selected pics * 18 participating countries), I agree, of course. But flying in the final winners of the European contest (how many are they supposed to be, by the way ? There is no indication about that in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Concept ) can be realistic.
Basically, what we want to do is a combination of the following : - Held a small award ceremony, giving their prize to the winners. No need to have hundreds of people to come... - An exhibition of the winning photographs - A conference about some topic on which we want the eurodeputies to work and which is relevant to the contest (the first thing that comes to mind is Freedom of Panorama.) - At the same time, a "Wikimedia Takes Brussels" :)
IMO, none of these would necesit more time or money than we can afford.
- currently, we have no budget for a ceremony - so you would have to find
that (there was money budgetted, but since we were not able to fill in all budget with money from chapters, we have to limit ourselves)
I think Wikimédia France can pay for what is related to the event itself, and maybe the other European chapters can help with the transportation and accomodation of the winners ?
- at least Maarten and I have no time to organize such a meeting - it
requires quite a lot of work because you need to get an interesting program to attract people in the first place.
Maarten and you have already done much, we don't ask you anything ;)
- We got accepted at DISH 2011, and can do the prize announcement in the
presentation there.
What is it ? I've never heard of that...
Regards, Sylvain.
Bonjour Sylvain,
just to be clear: I'm not against it, I'm just a bit sceptical we can still pull this off :)
2011/8/24 Sylvain Boissel sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
2011/8/23 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Hi Sylvain, all,
although it sounds exciting, I'm afraid we have to be realistic.
- it is rather impossible to fly in all winners - even if we have the
budget for that (which we don't) - because of the tight time frame. If we fly nobody in, it would basically be a press conference, and no press will be really interested in that I assume.
If by "all winners", you mean the 180 winners (10 selected pics * 18 participating countries), I agree, of course. But flying in the final winners of the European contest (how many are they supposed to be, by the way ? There is no indication about that in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Concept ) can be realistic.
Depending on possibilities we could define 3-12 winners (12 = the number that will end up on the calendars).
The problem with flying in people is however more complicated: - deadline for the european jury is November 21 - the ceremony or announcement should be begin of December. that gives the winners at most 2 weeks to plan their trip (possibly visa) etc.
We did discuss this in Berlin too, and concluded it was unlikely to be possible. An option would be to delay the ceremony until later (likely to be February because Jan is already full for most people with events), but we felt that would be too far away for a ceremony.
Basically, what we want to do is a combination of the following :
- Held a small award ceremony, giving their prize to the winners. No need
to have hundreds of people to come...
- An exhibition of the winning photographs
- A conference about some topic on which we want the eurodeputies to work
and which is relevant to the contest (the first thing that comes to mind is Freedom of Panorama.)
- At the same time, a "Wikimedia Takes Brussels" :)
IMO, none of these would necesit more time or money than we can afford.
That depends of course on whether you would like the participants to come from Brussels region or from all over Europe. Travel costs add up quickly.
Exhibition would be nice anyway by the way, and is not limited to December - if we remove the ceremony part, things become much more flexible and easy to organize. I'm not sure if the other parties involved would still be interested then?
- currently, we have no budget for a ceremony - so you would have to find
that (there was money budgetted, but since we were not able to fill in all budget with money from chapters, we have to limit ourselves)
I think Wikimédia France can pay for what is related to the event itself, and maybe the other European chapters can help with the transportation and accomodation of the winners ?
- at least Maarten and I have no time to organize such a meeting - it
requires quite a lot of work because you need to get an interesting program to attract people in the first place.
Maarten and you have already done much, we don't ask you anything ;)
- We got accepted at DISH 2011, and can do the prize announcement in the
presentation there.
What is it ? I've never heard of that...
DISH is an biannual (every 2 year) conference in the World Trade Center Rotterdam - an international event about Digital Heritage Strategies. See also http://www.dish2011.nl/ . I think Maarten communicated about that before on this list, but could probably answer any questions that are left.
Regards, Sylvain.
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Hi Sylvain,
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Sylvain Boissel < sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr> wrote:
2011/8/23 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
although it sounds exciting, I'm afraid we have to be realistic.
- it is rather impossible to fly in all winners - even if we have the
budget for that (which we don't) - because of the tight time frame. If we fly nobody in, it would basically be a press conference, and no press will be really interested in that I assume.
If by "all winners", you mean the 180 winners (10 selected pics * 18 participating countries), I agree, of course. But flying in the final winners of the European contest (how many are they supposed to be, by the way ? There is no indication about that in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Concept ) can be realistic.
There are going to be 12 winning pictures (and therefore most likely 12 winning photographers). For further information, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/May_Meet...
It's really difficult to fly in 12 people from all over Europe. First of all, they have to be willing to travel to Brussels. Secondly, the winners need to have time on short notice (maximum three to four weeks prior to the event, not everybody can take two or three days off). And thirdly, it can be really expensive to fly them in (ideally, the winners come from pretty much everywhere, so you have to get people from Russia and Estonia to Brussels as well as from Portugal and Norway) and it's hard to organize.
Basically, what we want to do is a combination of the following :
- Held a small award ceremony, giving their prize to the winners. No need
to have hundreds of people to come...
- An exhibition of the winning photographs
- A conference about some topic on which we want the eurodeputies to work
and which is relevant to the contest (the first thing that comes to mind is Freedom of Panorama.)
- At the same time, a "Wikimedia Takes Brussels" :)
IMO, none of these would necesit more time or money than we can afford.
I estimate that if one person was to organize this, it would take at least two weeks with nothing else to do.
- currently, we have no budget for a ceremony - so you would have to find
that (there was money budgetted, but since we were not able to fill in all budget with money from chapters, we have to limit ourselves) I think Wikimédia France can pay for what is related to the event itself, and maybe the other European chapters can help with the transportation and accomodation of the winners ?
I believe that most chapters that helped to fund the european budget won't be able to pay another 1000-2000€ for such an event. And it would be weird if the ceremony was as or even more expensive as the whole contest.
Kilian
Hello, Let's see what the results will be. We can first look at the three (first) winners of the European contest, how remote they live from Brussels, whether they are interested to come etc. Maybe we invite only the first winner. Kind regards Ziko
2011/8/24 Kilian Kluge kilian@k-kluge.de:
Hi Sylvain,
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Sylvain Boissel sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr wrote:
2011/8/23 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
although it sounds exciting, I'm afraid we have to be realistic.
- it is rather impossible to fly in all winners - even if we have the
budget for that (which we don't) - because of the tight time frame. If we fly nobody in, it would basically be a press conference, and no press will be really interested in that I assume.
If by "all winners", you mean the 180 winners (10 selected pics * 18 participating countries), I agree, of course. But flying in the final winners of the European contest (how many are they supposed to be, by the way ? There is no indication about that in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Concept%...) can be realistic.
There are going to be 12 winning pictures (and therefore most likely 12 winning photographers). For further information, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/May_Meet... It's really difficult to fly in 12 people from all over Europe. First of all, they have to be willing to travel to Brussels. Secondly, the winners need to have time on short notice (maximum three to four weeks prior to the event, not everybody can take two or three days off). And thirdly, it can be really expensive to fly them in (ideally, the winners come from pretty much everywhere, so you have to get people from Russia and Estonia to Brussels as well as from Portugal and Norway) and it's hard to organize.
Basically, what we want to do is a combination of the following :
- Held a small award ceremony, giving their prize to the winners. No need
to have hundreds of people to come...
- An exhibition of the winning photographs
- A conference about some topic on which we want the eurodeputies to work
and which is relevant to the contest (the first thing that comes to mind is Freedom of Panorama.)
- At the same time, a "Wikimedia Takes Brussels" :)
IMO, none of these would necesit more time or money than we can afford.
I estimate that if one person was to organize this, it would take at least two weeks with nothing else to do.
- currently, we have no budget for a ceremony - so you would have to find
that (there was money budgetted, but since we were not able to fill in all budget with money from chapters, we have to limit ourselves) I think Wikimédia France can pay for what is related to the event itself, and maybe the other European chapters can help with the transportation and accomodation of the winners ?
I believe that most chapters that helped to fund the european budget won't be able to pay another 1000-2000€ for such an event. And it would be weird if the ceremony was as or even more expensive as the whole contest. Kilian _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Just a brief remark, Kilian wrote:
And thirdly, it can be really expensive to fly them in (ideally, the winners come from pretty much everywhere, so you have to get people from Russia and Estonia to Brussels as well as from Portugal and Norway) and it's hard to organize.
Take into account that it is possible for ppl outside of these countries to enter as well - the monuments are in these contries, but in theory a visitor from Japan or Botswana could just as easily participate and win...
BR noorse
Hello,
I would like to relaunch the discussion.
Taking in account everything that was told on this list, here is what I suggest :
Ask some Members of the European Parliament (at last Yannick Jadot[1] which we already know for having met him in June, but if you know about other MEPs who might be interested, feel free to point me their names ;)) to book a room at the European Parliament for us in December and do the following :
- A one-month (for example) exibition of the twelve winning pictures.
- the day of the inauguration, a conference on Freedom of Panorama for the MEPs in late afternoon, followed by the opening of the exhibition. No need to have all the winners present, or to pay for their fly, but we can tell them they can come if they want.
The purpose of this would be both to communicate about WLM and do some lobbying, and, incidentally, to maintain our contacts with members of Parliament
Wikimedia France staff (namely, me and Adrienne) would handle all the necessary work, and Antoine can organize a Wikimedia Takes Brussels at the same time.
If there are no objections to this, I'll recontact Yannick Jadot's personnal assistant - we met her back in June, and she is aware of the opportunity to organize an event about Wiki Loves Monuments.
Best Regards, Sylvain.
[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yannick_Jadot
2011/8/24 Sylvain Boissel sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
2011/8/23 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Hi Sylvain, all,
although it sounds exciting, I'm afraid we have to be realistic.
- it is rather impossible to fly in all winners - even if we have the
budget for that (which we don't) - because of the tight time frame. If we fly nobody in, it would basically be a press conference, and no press will be really interested in that I assume.
If by "all winners", you mean the 180 winners (10 selected pics * 18 participating countries), I agree, of course. But flying in the final winners of the European contest (how many are they supposed to be, by the way ? There is no indication about that in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Concept ) can be realistic.
Basically, what we want to do is a combination of the following :
- Held a small award ceremony, giving their prize to the winners. No need
to have hundreds of people to come...
- An exhibition of the winning photographs
- A conference about some topic on which we want the eurodeputies to work
and which is relevant to the contest (the first thing that comes to mind is Freedom of Panorama.)
- At the same time, a "Wikimedia Takes Brussels" :)
IMO, none of these would necesit more time or money than we can afford.
- currently, we have no budget for a ceremony - so you would have to find
that (there was money budgetted, but since we were not able to fill in all budget with money from chapters, we have to limit ourselves)
I think Wikimédia France can pay for what is related to the event itself, and maybe the other European chapters can help with the transportation and accomodation of the winners ?
- at least Maarten and I have no time to organize such a meeting - it
requires quite a lot of work because you need to get an interesting program to attract people in the first place.
Maarten and you have already done much, we don't ask you anything ;)
- We got accepted at DISH 2011, and can do the prize announcement in the
presentation there.
What is it ? I've never heard of that...
Regards, Sylvain.
-- Sylvain Boissel Chargé de mission communauté et technologie de Wikimédia France www.wikimedia.fr 06.18.90.71.04 - sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
Hello,
Some news : in the last email I got from an assistant of Yannick Jadot, she told me that booking a room in the Parliament in December would be very hard, as this month is in high demand. Lodewijk suggests that I try to book a room in late January or in February.
Booking a room in the Parliament is much easier if we have several Members of the European Parlement supporting it, and not just one. So if you, or members of your chapter (I especially think about WM NL, DE and PL ;)) already have contact with MEPs, please ask them if they would agree to support the event, or at last give me their names so that Jannick Jadot's assistants get in touch with their own assistants (that's part of their job after all :)).
Same thing if you know a MEP that you never had direct contact with but you think he would be interested in WLM, don't hesitate to give me his name ;)
If you want to directly contact your MEP, here are some points :
- the project is to held (in late January or in February) a "closing ceremony"* for Wikilovesmonuments, which would consist of a conference on Freedom of Panorama followed by a cocktail, in the Europarliament in Brussels. At the same time (before or after), an exhibition of the winning photos would be made somewhere in the Parliament. - don't forget to talk about the success of the contest :)
If you need more details, don't hesitate to contact me.
Best regards, Sylvain.
(*) It would make no sense in helding an awards ceremony so late...
2011/9/19 Sylvain Boissel sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
Hello,
I would like to relaunch the discussion.
Taking in account everything that was told on this list, here is what I suggest :
Ask some Members of the European Parliament (at last Yannick Jadot[1] which we already know for having met him in June, but if you know about other MEPs who might be interested, feel free to point me their names ;)) to book a room at the European Parliament for us in December and do the following :
A one-month (for example) exibition of the twelve winning pictures.
the day of the inauguration, a conference on Freedom of Panorama for the
MEPs in late afternoon, followed by the opening of the exhibition. No need to have all the winners present, or to pay for their fly, but we can tell them they can come if they want.
The purpose of this would be both to communicate about WLM and do some lobbying, and, incidentally, to maintain our contacts with members of Parliament
Wikimedia France staff (namely, me and Adrienne) would handle all the necessary work, and Antoine can organize a Wikimedia Takes Brussels at the same time.
If there are no objections to this, I'll recontact Yannick Jadot's personnal assistant - we met her back in June, and she is aware of the opportunity to organize an event about Wiki Loves Monuments.
Best Regards, Sylvain.
[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yannick_Jadot
2011/8/24 Sylvain Boissel sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
2011/8/23 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Hi Sylvain, all,
although it sounds exciting, I'm afraid we have to be realistic.
- it is rather impossible to fly in all winners - even if we have the
budget for that (which we don't) - because of the tight time frame. If we fly nobody in, it would basically be a press conference, and no press will be really interested in that I assume.
If by "all winners", you mean the 180 winners (10 selected pics * 18 participating countries), I agree, of course. But flying in the final winners of the European contest (how many are they supposed to be, by the way ? There is no indication about that in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Concept ) can be realistic.
Basically, what we want to do is a combination of the following :
- Held a small award ceremony, giving their prize to the winners. No need
to have hundreds of people to come...
- An exhibition of the winning photographs
- A conference about some topic on which we want the eurodeputies to work
and which is relevant to the contest (the first thing that comes to mind is Freedom of Panorama.)
- At the same time, a "Wikimedia Takes Brussels" :)
IMO, none of these would necesit more time or money than we can afford.
- currently, we have no budget for a ceremony - so you would have to
find that (there was money budgetted, but since we were not able to fill in all budget with money from chapters, we have to limit ourselves)
I think Wikimédia France can pay for what is related to the event itself, and maybe the other European chapters can help with the transportation and accomodation of the winners ?
- at least Maarten and I have no time to organize such a meeting - it
requires quite a lot of work because you need to get an interesting program to attract people in the first place.
Maarten and you have already done much, we don't ask you anything ;)
- We got accepted at DISH 2011, and can do the prize announcement in the
presentation there.
What is it ? I've never heard of that...
Regards, Sylvain.
-- Sylvain Boissel Chargé de mission communauté et technologie de Wikimédia France www.wikimedia.fr 06.18.90.71.04 - sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
-- Sylvain Boissel Chargé de mission communauté et technologie de Wikimédia France www.wikimedia.fr 06.18.90.71.04 - sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
Hi,Try contacting Swedens Pirate party MEP Christian Engström, http://christianengstrom.wordpress.com/about/, or his assistant Henrik Alexandersson, +32 (0)484 088 770 or hax@bahnhof.se. They are open for free licenses and open software and against monopolies and strange FoP-rules. /axel ====================================
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Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:33:05 +0200 From: sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] European WLM Awards Ceremony
Hello, Some news : in the last email I got from an assistant of Yannick Jadot, she told me that booking a room in the Parliament in December would be very hard, as this month is in high demand. Lodewijk suggests that I try to book a room in late January or in February.
Booking a room in the Parliament is much easier if we have several Members of the European Parlement supporting it, and not just one. So if you, or members of your chapter (I especially think about WM NL, DE and PL ;)) already have contact with MEPs, please ask them if they would agree to support the event, or at last give me their names so that Jannick Jadot's assistants get in touch with their own assistants (that's part of their job after all :)).
Same thing if you know a MEP that you never had direct contact with but you think he would be interested in WLM, don't hesitate to give me his name ;) If you want to directly contact your MEP, here are some points :
- the project is to held (in late January or in February) a "closing ceremony"* for Wikilovesmonuments, which would consist of a conference on Freedom of Panorama followed by a cocktail, in the Europarliament in Brussels. At the same time (before or after), an exhibition of the winning photos would be made somewhere in the Parliament. - don't forget to talk about the success of the contest :) If you need more details, don't hesitate to contact me.
Best regards,Sylvain. (*) It would make no sense in helding an awards ceremony so late... 2011/9/19 Sylvain Boissel sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
Hello, I would like to relaunch the discussion. Taking in account everything that was told on this list, here is what I suggest :
Ask some Members of the European Parliament (at last Yannick Jadot[1] which we already know for having met him in June, but if you know about other MEPs who might be interested, feel free to point me their names ;)) to book a room at the European Parliament for us in December and do the following :
- A one-month (for example) exibition of the twelve winning pictures. - the day of the inauguration, a conference on Freedom of Panorama for the MEPs in late afternoon, followed by the opening of the exhibition. No need to have all the winners present, or to pay for their fly, but we can tell them they can come if they want.
The purpose of this would be both to communicate about WLM and do some lobbying, and, incidentally, to maintain our contacts with members of Parliament Wikimedia France staff (namely, me and Adrienne) would handle all the necessary work, and Antoine can organize a Wikimedia Takes Brussels at the same time.
If there are no objections to this, I'll recontact Yannick Jadot's personnal assistant - we met her back in June, and she is aware of the opportunity to organize an event about Wiki Loves Monuments.
Best Regards,Sylvain. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yannick_Jadot
2011/8/24 Sylvain Boissel sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
2011/8/23 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Hi Sylvain, all, although it sounds exciting, I'm afraid we have to be realistic. 1) it is rather impossible to fly in all winners - even if we have the budget for that (which we don't) - because of the tight time frame. If we fly nobody in, it would basically be a press conference, and no press will be really interested in that I assume.
If by "all winners", you mean the 180 winners (10 selected pics * 18 participating countries), I agree, of course. But flying in the final winners of the European contest (how many are they supposed to be, by the way ? There is no indication about that in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Concept ) can be realistic.
Basically, what we want to do is a combination of the following : - Held a small award ceremony, giving their prize to the winners. No need to have hundreds of people to come...- An exhibition of the winning photographs
- A conference about some topic on which we want the eurodeputies to work and which is relevant to the contest (the first thing that comes to mind is Freedom of Panorama.)- At the same time, a "Wikimedia Takes Brussels" :)
IMO, none of these would necesit more time or money than we can afford.
2) currently, we have no budget for a ceremony - so you would have to find that (there was money budgetted, but since we were not able to fill in all budget with money from chapters, we have to limit ourselves)
I think Wikimédia France can pay for what is related to the event itself, and maybe the other European chapters can help with the transportation and accomodation of the winners ?
3) at least Maarten and I have no time to organize such a meeting - it requires quite a lot of work because you need to get an interesting program to attract people in the first place.Maarten and you have already done much, we don't ask you anything ;)
4) We got accepted at DISH 2011, and can do the prize announcement in the presentation there.
What is it ? I've never heard of that... Regards,Sylvain.
You could ask to Willy Meyer ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willy_Meyer_Pleite) a spanish member of the European Parliament with the United Left (Izquierda Unida), and he is member of the Communist Party of Spain.
Elisardojm
2011/10/10 Axel Pettersson haxpett@hotmail.com
Hi, Try contacting Swedens Pirate party MEP Christian Engström, http://christianengstrom.wordpress.com/about/, or his assistant Henrik Alexandersson, +32 (0)484 088 770 or hax@bahnhof.se. They are open for free licenses and open software and against monopolies and strange FoP-rules.
/axel
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Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:33:05 +0200 From: sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] European WLM Awards Ceremony
Hello,
Some news : in the last email I got from an assistant of Yannick Jadot, she told me that booking a room in the Parliament in December would be very hard, as this month is in high demand. Lodewijk suggests that I try to book a room in late January or in February.
Booking a room in the Parliament is much easier if we have several Members of the European Parlement supporting it, and not just one. So if you, or members of your chapter (I especially think about WM NL, DE and PL ;)) already have contact with MEPs, please ask them if they would agree to support the event, or at last give me their names so that Jannick Jadot's assistants get in touch with their own assistants (that's part of their job after all :)).
Same thing if you know a MEP that you never had direct contact with but you think he would be interested in WLM, don't hesitate to give me his name ;)
If you want to directly contact your MEP, here are some points :
- the project is to held (in late January or in February) a "closing
ceremony"* for Wikilovesmonuments, which would consist of a conference on Freedom of Panorama followed by a cocktail, in the Europarliament in Brussels. At the same time (before or after), an exhibition of the winning photos would be made somewhere in the Parliament.
- don't forget to talk about the success of the contest :)
If you need more details, don't hesitate to contact me.
Best regards, Sylvain.
(*) It would make no sense in helding an awards ceremony so late...
2011/9/19 Sylvain Boissel sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
Hello,
I would like to relaunch the discussion.
Taking in account everything that was told on this list, here is what I suggest :
Ask some Members of the European Parliament (at last Yannick Jadot[1] which we already know for having met him in June, but if you know about other MEPs who might be interested, feel free to point me their names ;)) to book a room at the European Parliament for us in December and do the following :
A one-month (for example) exibition of the twelve winning pictures.
the day of the inauguration, a conference on Freedom of Panorama for the
MEPs in late afternoon, followed by the opening of the exhibition. No need to have all the winners present, or to pay for their fly, but we can tell them they can come if they want.
The purpose of this would be both to communicate about WLM and do some lobbying, and, incidentally, to maintain our contacts with members of Parliament
Wikimedia France staff (namely, me and Adrienne) would handle all the necessary work, and Antoine can organize a Wikimedia Takes Brussels at the same time.
If there are no objections to this, I'll recontact Yannick Jadot's personnal assistant - we met her back in June, and she is aware of the opportunity to organize an event about Wiki Loves Monuments.
Best Regards, Sylvain.
[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yannick_Jadot
2011/8/24 Sylvain Boissel sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
2011/8/23 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Hi Sylvain, all,
although it sounds exciting, I'm afraid we have to be realistic.
- it is rather impossible to fly in all winners - even if we have the
budget for that (which we don't) - because of the tight time frame. If we fly nobody in, it would basically be a press conference, and no press will be really interested in that I assume.
If by "all winners", you mean the 180 winners (10 selected pics * 18 participating countries), I agree, of course. But flying in the final winners of the European contest (how many are they supposed to be, by the way ? There is no indication about that in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Concept ) can be realistic.
Basically, what we want to do is a combination of the following :
- Held a small award ceremony, giving their prize to the winners. No need
to have hundreds of people to come...
- An exhibition of the winning photographs
- A conference about some topic on which we want the eurodeputies to work
and which is relevant to the contest (the first thing that comes to mind is Freedom of Panorama.)
- At the same time, a "Wikimedia Takes Brussels" :)
IMO, none of these would necesit more time or money than we can afford.
- currently, we have no budget for a ceremony - so you would have to find
that (there was money budgetted, but since we were not able to fill in all budget with money from chapters, we have to limit ourselves)
I think Wikimédia France can pay for what is related to the event itself, and maybe the other European chapters can help with the transportation and accomodation of the winners ?
- at least Maarten and I have no time to organize such a meeting - it
requires quite a lot of work because you need to get an interesting program to attract people in the first place.
Maarten and you have already done much, we don't ask you anything ;)
- We got accepted at DISH 2011, and can do the prize announcement in the
presentation there.
What is it ? I've never heard of that...
Regards, Sylvain.
-- Sylvain Boissel Chargé de mission communauté et technologie de Wikimédia France www.wikimedia.fr 06.18.90.71.04 - sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
-- Sylvain Boissel Chargé de mission communauté et technologie de Wikimédia France www.wikimedia.fr 06.18.90.71.04 - sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
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You could ask Eva Lichtenberger from the Austrian Greens (eva.lichtenberger@europarl.europa.eu)
Best regards, Michael -------- Original-Nachricht --------
Datum: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:10:53 +0200 Von: Elisardo elisardojm@gmail.com An: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Betreff: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] European WLM Awards Ceremony
You could ask to Willy Meyer ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willy_Meyer_Pleite) a spanish member of the European Parliament with the United Left (Izquierda Unida), and he is member of the Communist Party of Spain.
Elisardojm
2011/10/10 Axel Pettersson haxpett@hotmail.com
Hi, Try contacting Swedens Pirate party MEP Christian Engström, http://christianengstrom.wordpress.com/about/, or his assistant Henrik Alexandersson, +32 (0)484 088 770 or hax@bahnhof.se. They are open for free licenses and open software and against monopolies and strange FoP-rules.
/axel
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Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:33:05 +0200 From: sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] European WLM Awards Ceremony
Hello,
Some news : in the last email I got from an assistant of Yannick Jadot,
she
told me that booking a room in the Parliament in December would be very hard, as this month is in high demand. Lodewijk suggests that I try to
book
a room in late January or in February.
Booking a room in the Parliament is much easier if we have several
Members
of the European Parlement supporting it, and not just one. So if you, or members of your chapter (I especially think about WM NL, DE and PL ;)) already have contact with MEPs, please ask them if they would agree to support the event, or at last give me their names so that Jannick Jadot's assistants
get
in touch with their own assistants (that's part of their job after all
:)).
Same thing if you know a MEP that you never had direct contact with but
you
think he would be interested in WLM, don't hesitate to give me his name
;)
If you want to directly contact your MEP, here are some points :
- the project is to held (in late January or in February) a "closing
ceremony"* for Wikilovesmonuments, which would consist of a conference
on
Freedom of Panorama followed by a cocktail, in the Europarliament in Brussels. At the same time (before or after), an exhibition of the
winning
photos would be made somewhere in the Parliament.
- don't forget to talk about the success of the contest :)
If you need more details, don't hesitate to contact me.
Best regards, Sylvain.
(*) It would make no sense in helding an awards ceremony so late...
2011/9/19 Sylvain Boissel sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
Hello,
I would like to relaunch the discussion.
Taking in account everything that was told on this list, here is what I suggest :
Ask some Members of the European Parliament (at last Yannick Jadot[1]
which
we already know for having met him in June, but if you know about other
MEPs
who might be interested, feel free to point me their names ;)) to book a room at the European Parliament for us in December and do the following
:
A one-month (for example) exibition of the twelve winning pictures.
the day of the inauguration, a conference on Freedom of Panorama for
the
MEPs in late afternoon, followed by the opening of the exhibition. No
need
to have all the winners present, or to pay for their fly, but we can
tell
them they can come if they want.
The purpose of this would be both to communicate about WLM and do some lobbying, and, incidentally, to maintain our contacts with members of Parliament
Wikimedia France staff (namely, me and Adrienne) would handle all the necessary work, and Antoine can organize a Wikimedia Takes Brussels at
the
same time.
If there are no objections to this, I'll recontact Yannick Jadot's personnal assistant - we met her back in June, and she is aware of the opportunity to organize an event about Wiki Loves Monuments.
Best Regards, Sylvain.
[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yannick_Jadot
2011/8/24 Sylvain Boissel sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
2011/8/23 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Hi Sylvain, all,
although it sounds exciting, I'm afraid we have to be realistic.
- it is rather impossible to fly in all winners - even if we have the
budget for that (which we don't) - because of the tight time frame. If
we
fly nobody in, it would basically be a press conference, and no press
will
be really interested in that I assume.
If by "all winners", you mean the 180 winners (10 selected pics * 18 participating countries), I agree, of course. But flying in the final winners of the European contest (how many are they supposed to be, by
the
way ? There is no indication about that in
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Concept )
can be realistic.
Basically, what we want to do is a combination of the following :
- Held a small award ceremony, giving their prize to the winners. No
need
to have hundreds of people to come...
- An exhibition of the winning photographs
- A conference about some topic on which we want the eurodeputies to
work
and which is relevant to the contest (the first thing that comes to mind
is
Freedom of Panorama.)
- At the same time, a "Wikimedia Takes Brussels" :)
IMO, none of these would necesit more time or money than we can afford.
- currently, we have no budget for a ceremony - so you would have to
find
that (there was money budgetted, but since we were not able to fill in
all
budget with money from chapters, we have to limit ourselves)
I think Wikimédia France can pay for what is related to the event
itself,
and maybe the other European chapters can help with the transportation
and
accomodation of the winners ?
- at least Maarten and I have no time to organize such a meeting - it
requires quite a lot of work because you need to get an interesting
program
to attract people in the first place.
Maarten and you have already done much, we don't ask you anything ;)
- We got accepted at DISH 2011, and can do the prize announcement in
the
presentation there.
What is it ? I've never heard of that...
Regards, Sylvain.
-- Sylvain Boissel Chargé de mission communauté et technologie de Wikimédia France www.wikimedia.fr 06.18.90.71.04 - sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
-- Sylvain Boissel Chargé de mission communauté et technologie de Wikimédia France www.wikimedia.fr 06.18.90.71.04 - sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr
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