Hi all,
I would like to repeat the deadlines from http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline once again, and would like to hear it very soon if one of the deadlines is not realistic for you, or if you have good reasons to change it. Especially the October 21 deadline is important. With that information, we will set the final deadlines on Saturday.
* August 27: Upload wizard and websites should be ready. * August 30: Crucial infrastructure should be translated to your local languages, banner info should be ready and translated. English summary page should be available for each country. * 1 September - 30 September: actual contest. Banners up. (exception Israel, which is using the hebrew months, but will follow the other deadlines) * October 21: *Deadline for submitting the 10 nominations for the international contest*. This can be a private submission (with delayed publishing) and they do not have to be ordered. Being late for this deadline might result in having no nominations in the international contest - so make sure this is a realistic deadline for you. * November 18: The international jury needs to have its results ready. This can't be much later, because we would like to produce calendars again, but this time get them delivered before the end of the year.
I would appreciate it also if some people could confirm this is realistic and workable for them.
Best, Lodewijk
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to repeat the deadlines from http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline once again, and would like to hear it very soon if one of the deadlines is not realistic for you, or if you have good reasons to change it. Especially the October 21 deadline is important. With that information, we will set the final deadlines on Saturday.
- October 21: Deadline for submitting the 10 nominations for the
international contest. This can be a private submission (with delayed publishing) and they do not have to be ordered. Being late for this deadline might result in having no nominations in the international contest - so make sure this is a realistic deadline for you.
Last year the deadline was on October 31, and several countries had problems to get the results by that date. I don't think this year it will be less problematic. What was the rationale for cutting down the date? I wouldn't have moved it.
Regards
Hi,
the rationale is the date when we want the final results to be in. We want to be able to send out the calendars by mid December - that means we need a design- and production cycle before that. Our estimate is that we need to start that by November 20. That also gives us a nice time frame to announce the results officially after collecting more info about the actual winners.
My estimate is that the international jury needs 3-4 weeks to come to a result based on all these high quality images from all these different cultures. Hence that we came to October 21, which leaves a few days leeway.
If it is totally unrealistic, we will have to put it later - but from our point of view the 21 would definitely fit in best. That leaves 3 weeks for your national jury to come to a result. Last year I think only one country didn't make the deadline of October 31, and that was because one specific judge didn't reply (and that combined with, as I understood it, nobody chasing the process at the first weeks).
Best, Lodewijk
2012/8/8 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to repeat the deadlines from
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline
once again, and would like to hear it very soon if one of the deadlines
is
not realistic for you, or if you have good reasons to change it.
Especially
the October 21 deadline is important. With that information, we will set
the
final deadlines on Saturday.
- October 21: Deadline for submitting the 10 nominations for the
international contest. This can be a private submission (with delayed publishing) and they do not have to be ordered. Being late for this
deadline
might result in having no nominations in the international contest - so
make
sure this is a realistic deadline for you.
Last year the deadline was on October 31, and several countries had problems to get the results by that date. I don't think this year it will be less problematic. What was the rationale for cutting down the date? I wouldn't have moved it.
Regards
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Last year we had to sprint for having the results at the deadline, and I think that we were not alone (I don't remember the details and I wouldn't like to name countries, either). We spent the first weeks preparing the images and transfering from flickr, and participation overwhelmed us, too. We will adapt to whatever date is agreed, and I'm sure countries from last year will be very alert for avoiding previous pitfalls, but as there are many new countries, I expect the same problems to arise again. How realistic is it, I suspect we will only know on September 30, when counting the provided images. As the international jury has a known pool size of 340 images (albeit a very good set), it may make more sense to give 3 weeks to the international jury and 4 for the local. But we can also keep the current dates and expand them if needed.
Best regards
If we need to expand that, I'm happy (personally) to make adjustments but I'd rather agree on that now than being forced to by juries being late :) So your input is valued. I hope more people will give their opinion on it.
Lodewijk
2012/8/8 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
Last year we had to sprint for having the results at the deadline, and I think that we were not alone (I don't remember the details and I wouldn't like to name countries, either). We spent the first weeks preparing the images and transfering from flickr, and participation overwhelmed us, too. We will adapt to whatever date is agreed, and I'm sure countries from last year will be very alert for avoiding previous pitfalls, but as there are many new countries, I expect the same problems to arise again. How realistic is it, I suspect we will only know on September 30, when counting the provided images. As the international jury has a known pool size of 340 images (albeit a very good set), it may make more sense to give 3 weeks to the international jury and 4 for the local. But we can also keep the current dates and expand them if needed.
Best regards
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Hello, in Austria we have a two-step jury. The first preselects the pictures to 500 to 1000, the second finds the prize winners. Last year we could only cope with the mass of photographs giving each jury member a part of the photos to preselect alone, without having a four-eye-principle. This year more jury members will have a look at the same photos and sum up their decisions. Therefore they will have to begin early, during September. But as you all know, most of the pictures, taken during September will be upoaded last minute.
So we will be ready with the preselection after 14 days but then have to hand them over to the main jury. They will need one week and one weekend to look to the photos, then meet and make a decision. We cannot instruct them to meet exactly on Sunday 21 October, to meet the requested deadline. So they might meet in the following week and have the prize winners ready on 25 October.
Four weeks will be required without imposing too much stress to the volunteer jury. Best regards Beppo
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Datum: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 19:01:56 +0200 Von: Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org An: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Betreff: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Deadlines: please check
If we need to expand that, I'm happy (personally) to make adjustments but I'd rather agree on that now than being forced to by juries being late :) So your input is valued. I hope more people will give their opinion on it.
Lodewijk
2012/8/8 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
Last year we had to sprint for having the results at the deadline, and I think that we were not alone (I don't remember the details and I wouldn't like to name countries, either). We spent the first weeks preparing the images and transfering from flickr, and participation overwhelmed us, too. We will adapt to whatever date is agreed, and I'm sure countries from last year will be very alert for avoiding previous pitfalls, but as there are many new countries, I expect the same problems to arise again. How realistic is it, I suspect we will only know on September 30, when counting the provided images. As the international jury has a known pool size of 340 images (albeit a very good set), it may make more sense to give 3 weeks to the international jury and 4 for the local. But we can also keep the current dates and expand them if needed.
Best regards
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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