Hello everyone! I hope all is well :-)
Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons (SDC) will become available this year. With SDC, Wikimedians can add data from Wikidata directly to files on Wikimedia Commons. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/About
Benefits include multilinguality of Commons files (users can find and describe files on Commons in many languages), and machine-readable data with better APIs, that offer more advanced possibilities to build applications like Monumental - https://tools.wmflabs.org/monumental/
In the not so far future, you will also be able to organize Wiki Loves... (Monuments, Earth, Africa, Art, Love, ...) campaigns on Wikimedia Commons with structured data. (This is entirely optional, but maybe some of you are already keen to do this, especially if you already have monument or other data in Wikidata!)
In the course of 2019, the SDC development team wants to improve Wikimedia Commons' UploadWizard to support the campaigns that want to be powered by Structured Data 'new style'.
Do you have ideas and wishes for this? The team wants to hear which structured data features you want to see in UploadWizard, and we are now organizing a consultation about this over the next two weeks.
This page gives more context, and links to where you can leave feedback. We're collecting this first round of input until April 17.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feed...
Many thanks in advance! Warmly, Sandra
Hi Sandra,
I started testing it and I think I'm missing something quite basic. If I go to https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sheikh-Lotf-Allah_mosque_wall_a... , I don't see any "Structured data" tab which I would expect to see based on the instructions [1]. On the other hand, for a file such as https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Head_of_calico_cat_with_open_ey... I do see the tab. What am I doing wrong?
Also, while I understand the basics of Wikibase and Wikidata, I'm slightly lost as where we are with the different components of SDC with regards to Commons and/or Wiki Loves Monuments. For example, * are we at a place that we're ready to represent a Commons page such as https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Cloisters_at_Gloucester_Cathedra... via Wikibase completely? or are there components missing? If they are missing, what are those? * What do you mean when you say we can organize the WLM campaigns on Commons with structured data? By "organize" are you referring to the landing page of the campaigns? For example, should I assume that all the info that we show in the landing page of Iran's contest at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2018_in_Iran can be represented by structured data?
On my end, both as an international WLM organizer and a local organizer, I can say that I can benefit from a virtual online meeting where we can have some of these types of questions answered directly. While I appreciate the documentation, amending it with a virtual meeting may be necessary as there are a lot of nuances both on your end and our end, and understanding these nuances will have impact on our feedback on features such as uploadwizard.
Best, Lily
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feed...
On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 3:55 AM Sandra Fauconnier sfauconnier@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello everyone! I hope all is well :-)
Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons (SDC) will become available this year. With SDC, Wikimedians can add data from Wikidata directly to files on Wikimedia Commons. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/About
Benefits include multilinguality of Commons files (users can find and describe files on Commons in many languages), and machine-readable data with better APIs, that offer more advanced possibilities to build applications like Monumental - https://tools.wmflabs.org/monumental/
In the not so far future, you will also be able to organize Wiki Loves... (Monuments, Earth, Africa, Art, Love, ...) campaigns on Wikimedia Commons with structured data. (This is entirely optional, but maybe some of you are already keen to do this, especially if you already have monument or other data in Wikidata!)
In the course of 2019, the SDC development team wants to improve Wikimedia Commons' UploadWizard to support the campaigns that want to be powered by Structured Data 'new style'.
Do you have ideas and wishes for this? The team wants to hear which structured data features you want to see in UploadWizard, and we are now organizing a consultation about this over the next two weeks.
This page gives more context, and links to where you can leave feedback. We're collecting this first round of input until April 17.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feed...
Many thanks in advance! Warmly, Sandra
-- Sandra Fauconnier (she/her) Program Officer, GLAM and Structured Data, Wikimedia Foundation Twitter: @glamwiki
How Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums work with Wikimedia communities: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
-- User: LilyOfTheWest
Hello Lily!
Responding to your questions inline below:
On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:49 PM Lily lilyofthewest.wikimedia@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Sandra,
I started testing it and I think I'm missing something quite basic. If I go to https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sheikh-Lotf-Allah_mosque_wall_a... , I don't see any "Structured data" tab which I would expect to see based on the instructions [1]. On the other hand, for a file such as
https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Head_of_calico_cat_with_open_ey... I do see the tab. What am I doing wrong?
This is an issue with test-commons, not related to Structured Data at all, and apparently difficult to fix. Not all files you find will have a "Structured data" tab. See also the list of known issues at the bottom of the consultation page - it also says that you can't see many images (equally an issue with test-commons and unrelated to Structured data) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feed...
Also, while I understand the basics of Wikibase and Wikidata, I'm slightly lost as where we are with the different components of SDC with regards to Commons and/or Wiki Loves Monuments. For example,
- are we at a place that we're ready to represent a Commons page such
as https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Cloisters_at_Gloucester_Cathedra... via Wikibase completely? or are there components missing? If they are missing, what are those?
First, there's a technical component to this. At this moment, apart from adding a multilingual caption, you can't add any structured data to a file on Commons yet. In a few weeks, if all goes well and no big technical hurdles occur, you will be able to add 'Depicts' statements to files on Wikimedia Commons. And soon after that, you will also be able to add other Wikidata statements too. The technical timeline is explained here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Development#Upcom...
Then there's a social component. Just like happened with Wikidata, it is up to the community to define the data model: i.e. exactly *how* files on Wikimedia Commons must be described. As soon as Wikidata became available, the community started to propose properties and started to figure out how exactly you should describe a building, painting, species, human... on Wikidata. The same process must still happen on Wikimedia Commons too. There is already some brainstorming here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Properties_table It would be very valuable if people from the Wiki Loves... communities would be active in this process as well, to make sure that photos of heritage are well described on Commons!
- What do you mean when you say we can organize the WLM campaigns on
Commons with structured data? By "organize" are you referring to the landing page of the campaigns? For example, should I assume that all the info that we show in the landing page of Iran's contest at
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2018_in_Iran can be represented by structured data?
Sorry for the lack of clarity here! No, this does *not* apply to landing pages. Structured data only applies to the files on Wikimedia Commons - the photos (and sometimes videos) that participants upload. So Structured data will play a role at the moment when participants upload their images, and when you want to organize and describe these images better. Landing pages will stay wikitext pages.
On my end, both as an international WLM organizer and a local organizer, I can say that I can benefit from a virtual online meeting where we can have some of these types of questions answered directly. While I appreciate the documentation, amending it with a virtual meeting may be necessary as there are a lot of nuances both on your end and our end, and understanding these nuances will have impact on our feedback on features such as uploadwizard.
Of course, I will be very happy to organize this! If anyone on this mailing list has direct suggestions on how and when to do it (IRC office hour? A Google Hangout? Which time would be most convenient?), I would love to hear them, and otherwise I'll get in touch with you and some other very active organizers to plan a meeting.
Warmly, Sandra
On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 3:55 AM Sandra Fauconnier sfauconnier@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello everyone! I hope all is well :-)
Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons (SDC) will become available this
year. With SDC, Wikimedians can add data from Wikidata directly to files on Wikimedia Commons.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/About
Benefits include multilinguality of Commons files (users can find and
describe files on Commons in many languages), and machine-readable data with better APIs, that offer more advanced possibilities to build applications like Monumental - https://tools.wmflabs.org/monumental/
In the not so far future, you will also be able to organize Wiki
Loves... (Monuments, Earth, Africa, Art, Love, ...) campaigns on Wikimedia Commons with structured data. (This is entirely optional, but maybe some of you are already keen to do this, especially if you already have monument or other data in Wikidata!)
In the course of 2019, the SDC development team wants to improve
Wikimedia Commons' UploadWizard to support the campaigns that want to be powered by Structured Data 'new style'.
Do you have ideas and wishes for this? The team wants to hear which
structured data features you want to see in UploadWizard, and we are now organizing a consultation about this over the next two weeks.
This page gives more context, and links to where you can leave feedback.
We're collecting this first round of input until April 17.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feed...
Many thanks in advance! Warmly, Sandra
-- Sandra Fauconnier (she/her) Program Officer, GLAM and Structured Data, Wikimedia Foundation Twitter: @glamwiki
How Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums work with Wikimedia
communities: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
-- User: LilyOfTheWest
Hi Sandra,
Your descriptions were helpful and addressed my questions/confusions. Regarding the meeting: let's wait to hear from at least a few other people if they find it useful as well. If there are at least a few of us, it's good to have one and we can discuss the format. Otherwise, I'll drop that suggestion.
Thanks, Lily
On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 7:32 AM Sandra Fauconnier sfauconnier@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello Lily!
Responding to your questions inline below:
On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:49 PM Lily lilyofthewest.wikimedia@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Sandra,
I started testing it and I think I'm missing something quite basic. If I go to https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sheikh-Lotf-Allah_mosque_wall_a... , I don't see any "Structured data" tab which I would expect to see based on the instructions [1]. On the other hand, for a file such as https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Head_of_calico_cat_with_open_ey... I do see the tab. What am I doing wrong?
This is an issue with test-commons, not related to Structured Data at all, and apparently difficult to fix. Not all files you find will have a "Structured data" tab. See also the list of known issues at the bottom of the consultation page - it also says that you can't see many images (equally an issue with test-commons and unrelated to Structured data) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feed...
Also, while I understand the basics of Wikibase and Wikidata, I'm slightly lost as where we are with the different components of SDC with regards to Commons and/or Wiki Loves Monuments. For example,
- are we at a place that we're ready to represent a Commons page such
as https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Cloisters_at_Gloucester_Cathedra... via Wikibase completely? or are there components missing? If they are missing, what are those?
First, there's a technical component to this. At this moment, apart from adding a multilingual caption, you can't add any structured data to a file on Commons yet. In a few weeks, if all goes well and no big technical hurdles occur, you will be able to add 'Depicts' statements to files on Wikimedia Commons. And soon after that, you will also be able to add other Wikidata statements too. The technical timeline is explained here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Development#Upcom...
Then there's a social component. Just like happened with Wikidata, it is up to the community to define the data model: i.e. exactly *how* files on Wikimedia Commons must be described. As soon as Wikidata became available, the community started to propose properties and started to figure out how exactly you should describe a building, painting, species, human... on Wikidata. The same process must still happen on Wikimedia Commons too. There is already some brainstorming here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Properties_table It would be very valuable if people from the Wiki Loves... communities would be active in this process as well, to make sure that photos of heritage are well described on Commons!
- What do you mean when you say we can organize the WLM campaigns on
Commons with structured data? By "organize" are you referring to the landing page of the campaigns? For example, should I assume that all the info that we show in the landing page of Iran's contest at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2018_in_Iran can be represented by structured data?
Sorry for the lack of clarity here! No, this does *not* apply to landing pages. Structured data only applies to the files on Wikimedia Commons - the photos (and sometimes videos) that participants upload. So Structured data will play a role at the moment when participants upload their images, and when you want to organize and describe these images better. Landing pages will stay wikitext pages.
On my end, both as an international WLM organizer and a local organizer, I can say that I can benefit from a virtual online meeting where we can have some of these types of questions answered directly. While I appreciate the documentation, amending it with a virtual meeting may be necessary as there are a lot of nuances both on your end and our end, and understanding these nuances will have impact on our feedback on features such as uploadwizard.
Of course, I will be very happy to organize this! If anyone on this mailing list has direct suggestions on how and when to do it (IRC office hour? A Google Hangout? Which time would be most convenient?), I would love to hear them, and otherwise I'll get in touch with you and some other very active organizers to plan a meeting.
Warmly, Sandra
On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 3:55 AM Sandra Fauconnier sfauconnier@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello everyone! I hope all is well :-)
Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons (SDC) will become available this year. With SDC, Wikimedians can add data from Wikidata directly to files on Wikimedia Commons. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/About
Benefits include multilinguality of Commons files (users can find and describe files on Commons in many languages), and machine-readable data with better APIs, that offer more advanced possibilities to build applications like Monumental - https://tools.wmflabs.org/monumental/
In the not so far future, you will also be able to organize Wiki Loves... (Monuments, Earth, Africa, Art, Love, ...) campaigns on Wikimedia Commons with structured data. (This is entirely optional, but maybe some of you are already keen to do this, especially if you already have monument or other data in Wikidata!)
In the course of 2019, the SDC development team wants to improve Wikimedia Commons' UploadWizard to support the campaigns that want to be powered by Structured Data 'new style'.
Do you have ideas and wishes for this? The team wants to hear which structured data features you want to see in UploadWizard, and we are now organizing a consultation about this over the next two weeks.
This page gives more context, and links to where you can leave feedback. We're collecting this first round of input until April 17.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feed...
Many thanks in advance! Warmly, Sandra
-- Sandra Fauconnier (she/her) Program Officer, GLAM and Structured Data, Wikimedia Foundation Twitter: @glamwiki
How Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums work with Wikimedia communities: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
-- User: LilyOfTheWest
-- Sandra Fauconnier (she/her) Program Officer, GLAM and Structured Data, Wikimedia Foundation Twitter: @glamwiki
How Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums work with Wikimedia communities: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM
Le lun. 8 avr. 2019 à 16:38, Lily lilyofthewest.wikimedia@gmail.com a écrit :
Hi Sandra,
Your descriptions were helpful and addressed my questions/confusions. Regarding the meeting: let's wait to hear from at least a few other people if they find it useful as well. If there are at least a few of us, it's good to have one and we can discuss the format. Otherwise, I'll drop that suggestion.
Thanks, Lily
Hi y'all,
Thanks Sandra, I must say I didn't follow SDC as thouroughly as I wanted and these explanations are wecome.
I'm interrested ta take part if there is a meeting.
Cheers, ~nicolas
I also think that a meeting would be very valuable. I'm also struggling with the question of what SD could bring to contests that have for some years already been running from monument listings on Wikidata. Like Lily, I think I'm probably missing something due to my lack of SD knowledge.
Regards
Michael
Nicolas VIGNERON wrote on 08/04/2019 3:41 pm:
Le lun. 8 avr. 2019 à 16:38, Lily <lilyofthewest.wikimedia@gmail.com mailto:lilyofthewest.wikimedia@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hi Sandra, Your descriptions were helpful and addressed my questions/confusions. Regarding the meeting: let's wait to hear from at least a few other people if they find it useful as well. If there are at least a few of us, it's good to have one and we can discuss the format. Otherwise, I'll drop that suggestion. Thanks, LilyHi y'all,
Thanks Sandra, I must say I didn't follow SDC as thouroughly as I wanted and these explanations are wecome.
I'm interrested ta take part if there is a meeting.
Cheers, ~nicolas
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Dear Sandra,
Thank you for the explanations. However, I should mention that all WLM organizers already have their small Structured Data, namely, lists of monuments that contain all necessary information: region and city names, coordinates, construction years, etc. One could think of feeding this information directly into the Upload Wizard, which will help to increase the amount of Structured Data on Commons, but I don't think it will change anything from the WLM (participant or organizer) perspective. We already have this information available and organized in a structured way.
For me the crucial question to Structured Data is about changes it will bring to Commons. The experience of all Wikimedians, including WLM participants and organizers, will really change when we are able to find, display, and re-use images linked to a given city, architect, or monument ID. When is it going to happen? How is it going to work? I have not heard much about those aspects, so for me any extensive discussion of WLM vs. Structured Data is rather pre-mature, although I would be happy to take part in the live conversation, should it happen.
best, Alexander
PS. Thank you for pointing out the link to the 'Properties table'. I have a few things to propose and will leave a comment on that page.
On 4/8/2019 4:32 PM, Sandra Fauconnier wrote:
Hello Lily!
Responding to your questions inline below:
On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:49 PM Lily <lilyofthewest.wikimedia@gmail.com mailto:lilyofthewest.wikimedia@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Sandra, I started testing it and I think I'm missing something quite basic. If I go to https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sheikh-Lotf-Allah_mosque_wall_and_ceiling_2.jpg , I don't see any "Structured data" tab which I would expect to see based on the instructions [1]. On the other hand, for a file such as https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Head_of_calico_cat_with_open_eyes.jpg I do see the tab. What am I doing wrong?This is an issue with test-commons, not related to Structured Data at all, and apparently difficult to fix. Not all files you find will have a "Structured data" tab. See also the list of known issues at the bottom of the consultation page - it also says that you can't see many images (equally an issue with test-commons and unrelated to Structured data) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feed...
Also, while I understand the basics of Wikibase and Wikidata, I'm slightly lost as where we are with the different components of SDC with regards to Commons and/or Wiki Loves Monuments. For example, * are we at a place that we're ready to represent a Commons page such as https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Cloisters_at_Gloucester_Cathedral.jpg via Wikibase completely? or are there components missing? If they are missing, what are those?First, there's a technical component to this. At this moment, apart from adding a multilingual caption, you can't add any structured data to a file on Commons yet. In a few weeks, if all goes well and no big technical hurdles occur, you will be able to add 'Depicts' statements to files on Wikimedia Commons. And soon after that, you will also be able to add other Wikidata statements too. The technical timeline is explained here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Development#Upcom...
Then there's a social component. Just like happened with Wikidata, it is up to the community to define the data model: i.e. exactly *how* files on Wikimedia Commons must be described. As soon as Wikidata became available, the community started to propose properties and started to figure out how exactly you should describe a building, painting, species, human... on Wikidata. The same process must still happen on Wikimedia Commons too. There is already some brainstorming here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Properties_table It would be very valuable if people from the Wiki Loves... communities would be active in this process as well, to make sure that photos of heritage are well described on Commons!
* What do you mean when you say we can organize the WLM campaigns on Commons with structured data? By "organize" are you referring to the landing page of the campaigns? For example, should I assume that all the info that we show in the landing page of Iran's contest at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2018_in_Iran can be represented by structured data?Sorry for the lack of clarity here! No, this does *not* apply to landing pages. Structured data only applies to the files on Wikimedia Commons - the photos (and sometimes videos) that participants upload. So Structured data will play a role at the moment when participants upload their images, and when you want to organize and describe these images better. Landing pages will stay wikitext pages.
On my end, both as an international WLM organizer and a local organizer, I can say that I can benefit from a virtual online meeting where we can have some of these types of questions answered directly. While I appreciate the documentation, amending it with a virtual meeting may be necessary as there are a lot of nuances both on your end and our end, and understanding these nuances will have impact on our feedback on features such as uploadwizard.Of course, I will be very happy to organize this! If anyone on this mailing list has direct suggestions on how and when to do it (IRC office hour? A Google Hangout? Which time would be most convenient?), I would love to hear them, and otherwise I'll get in touch with you and some other very active organizers to plan a meeting.
Warmly, Sandra
On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 3:55 AM Sandra Fauconnier <sfauconnier@wikimedia.org <mailto:sfauconnier@wikimedia.org>> wrote: > > Hello everyone! I hope all is well :-) > > Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons (SDC) will become available this year. With SDC, Wikimedians can add data from Wikidata directly to files on Wikimedia Commons. > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/About > > Benefits include multilinguality of Commons files (users can find and describe files on Commons in many languages), and machine-readable data with better APIs, that offer more advanced possibilities to build applications like Monumental - https://tools.wmflabs.org/monumental/ > > In the not so far future, you will also be able to organize Wiki Loves... (Monuments, Earth, Africa, Art, Love, ...) campaigns on Wikimedia Commons with structured data. (This is entirely optional, but maybe some of you are already keen to do this, especially if you already have monument or other data in Wikidata!) > > In the course of 2019, the SDC development team wants to improve Wikimedia Commons' UploadWizard to support the campaigns that want to be powered by Structured Data 'new style'. > > Do you have ideas and wishes for this? The team wants to hear which structured data features you want to see in UploadWizard, and we are now organizing a consultation about this over the next two weeks. > > This page gives more context, and links to where you can leave feedback. We're collecting this first round of input until April 17. > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feedback_requests/SDC_campaign_features_for_UploadWizard > > Many thanks in advance! > Warmly, Sandra > > -- > Sandra Fauconnier (she/her) > Program Officer, GLAM and Structured Data, Wikimedia Foundation > Twitter: @glamwiki > > How Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums work with Wikimedia communities: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org -- User: LilyOfTheWest-- Sandra Fauconnier (she/her) Program Officer, GLAM and Structured Data, Wikimedia Foundation Twitter: @glamwiki
How Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums work with Wikimedia communities: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Hello Alexander and everyone!
My apologies, for some reason I had not noticed your reply/questions earlier! I will respond inline below.
I would also like to remind everyone that we'd like to wrap up the current consultation about UploadWizard by Wednesday 17 April. If you have ideas, please contribute them on the talk page of the consultation page here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feed... Or directly in the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r3dc8CA3TECaOWbURe4BBM47cp2P3521gQls...
Some people have already provided input there - thank you! The SDC team is also working with the WikiDaheim organizers to gather their feedback directly.
On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 7:29 PM Alexander Tsirlin altsirlin@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Sandra,
Thank you for the explanations. However, I should mention that all WLM organizers already have their small Structured Data, namely, lists of monuments that contain all necessary information: region and city names, coordinates, construction years, etc. One could think of feeding this information directly into the Upload Wizard, which will help to increase the amount of Structured Data on Commons, but I don't think it will change anything from the WLM (participant or organizer) perspective. We already have this information available and organized in a structured way.
Yes, indeed, the monument lists and databases have been around for a while! However, Structured Data on Commons is about integration of *Wikidata* into Wikimedia Commons - that's what makes the multilinguality possible, among other things. So with integration of SDC into campaigns, I really mean integration of data from Wikidata. That is possible for those countries/regions where the monument lists are already on Wikidata. It is totally OK if that is not the case yet, or if you're not interested yet to make the (still experimental) switch. You can still organize your campaigns as you used to do in the past.
For me the crucial question to Structured Data is about changes it will
bring to Commons. The experience of all Wikimedians, including WLM participants and organizers, will really change when we are able to find, display, and re-use images linked to a given city, architect, or monument ID. When is it going to happen? How is it going to work? I have not heard much about those aspects, so for me any extensive discussion of WLM vs. Structured Data is rather pre-mature, although I would be happy to take part in the live conversation, should it happen.
As part of SDC, our team is working on the first steps for new search functions for Wikimedia Commons, so that you will indeed be able to search for those things if they are indicated in the (Wiki)data 'section' of files on Commons. And the API of Commons will become more refined (and more like the API of Wikidata) so that this data can indeed also be re-used. That said: before it's actually visible on Commons it's indeed still very abstract. I think it's partly a 'chicken and egg' problem: you will only be able to see those functionalities well, and provide good feedback about them, as soon as enough files on Commons do have structured data ;-) Every contribution of (new) structured data to Commons will help everyone see what is possible and what should be priorities for improvements in search and other functionalities on Commons.
Many greetings! Sandra
best, Alexander
PS. Thank you for pointing out the link to the 'Properties table'. I have a few things to propose and will leave a comment on that page.
On 4/8/2019 4:32 PM, Sandra Fauconnier wrote:
Hello Lily!
Responding to your questions inline below:
On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:49 PM Lily lilyofthewest.wikimedia@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Sandra,
I started testing it and I think I'm missing something quite basic. If I go to https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sheikh-Lotf-Allah_mosque_wall_a... , I don't see any "Structured data" tab which I would expect to see based on the instructions [1]. On the other hand, for a file such as
https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Head_of_calico_cat_with_open_ey... I do see the tab. What am I doing wrong?
This is an issue with test-commons, not related to Structured Data at all, and apparently difficult to fix. Not all files you find will have a "Structured data" tab. See also the list of known issues at the bottom of the consultation page - it also says that you can't see many images (equally an issue with test-commons and unrelated to Structured data)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feed...
Also, while I understand the basics of Wikibase and Wikidata, I'm slightly lost as where we are with the different components of SDC with regards to Commons and/or Wiki Loves Monuments. For example,
- are we at a place that we're ready to represent a Commons page such
as https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Cloisters_at_Gloucester_Cathedra... via Wikibase completely? or are there components missing? If they are missing, what are those?
First, there's a technical component to this. At this moment, apart from adding a multilingual caption, you can't add any structured data to a file on Commons yet. In a few weeks, if all goes well and no big technical hurdles occur, you will be able to add 'Depicts' statements to files on Wikimedia Commons. And soon after that, you will also be able to add other Wikidata statements too. The technical timeline is explained here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Development#Upcom...
Then there's a social component. Just like happened with Wikidata, it is up to the community to define the data model: i.e. exactly *how* files on Wikimedia Commons must be described. As soon as Wikidata became available, the community started to propose properties and started to figure out how exactly you should describe a building, painting, species, human... on Wikidata. The same process must still happen on Wikimedia Commons too. There is already some brainstorming here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Properties_table It would be very valuable if people from the Wiki Loves... communities would be active in this process as well, to make sure that photos of heritage are well described on Commons!
- What do you mean when you say we can organize the WLM campaigns on
Commons with structured data? By "organize" are you referring to the landing page of the campaigns? For example, should I assume that all the info that we show in the landing page of Iran's contest at
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2018_in_Iran can be represented by structured data?
Sorry for the lack of clarity here! No, this does *not* apply to landing pages. Structured data only applies to the files on Wikimedia Commons - the photos (and sometimes videos) that participants upload. So Structured data will play a role at the moment when participants upload their images, and when you want to organize and describe these images better. Landing pages will stay wikitext pages.
On my end, both as an international WLM organizer and a local organizer, I can say that I can benefit from a virtual online meeting where we can have some of these types of questions answered directly. While I appreciate the documentation, amending it with a virtual meeting may be necessary as there are a lot of nuances both on your end and our end, and understanding these nuances will have impact on our feedback on features such as uploadwizard.
Of course, I will be very happy to organize this! If anyone on this mailing list has direct suggestions on how and when to do it (IRC office hour? A Google Hangout? Which time would be most convenient?), I would love to hear them, and otherwise I'll get in touch with you and some other very active organizers to plan a meeting.
Warmly, Sandra
On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 3:55 AM Sandra Fauconnier sfauconnier@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello everyone! I hope all is well :-)
Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons (SDC) will become available this
year. With SDC, Wikimedians can add data from Wikidata directly to files on Wikimedia Commons.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/About
Benefits include multilinguality of Commons files (users can find and
describe files on Commons in many languages), and machine-readable data with better APIs, that offer more advanced possibilities to build applications like Monumental - https://tools.wmflabs.org/monumental/
In the not so far future, you will also be able to organize Wiki
Loves... (Monuments, Earth, Africa, Art, Love, ...) campaigns on Wikimedia Commons with structured data. (This is entirely optional, but maybe some of you are already keen to do this, especially if you already have monument or other data in Wikidata!)
In the course of 2019, the SDC development team wants to improve
Wikimedia Commons' UploadWizard to support the campaigns that want to be powered by Structured Data 'new style'.
Do you have ideas and wishes for this? The team wants to hear which
structured data features you want to see in UploadWizard, and we are now organizing a consultation about this over the next two weeks.
This page gives more context, and links to where you can leave
feedback. We're collecting this first round of input until April 17.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feed...
Many thanks in advance! Warmly, Sandra
-- Sandra Fauconnier (she/her) Program Officer, GLAM and Structured Data, Wikimedia Foundation Twitter: @glamwiki
How Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums work with Wikimedia
communities: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
-- User: LilyOfTheWest
-- Sandra Fauconnier (she/her) Program Officer, GLAM and Structured Data, Wikimedia Foundation Twitter: @glamwiki
How Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums work with Wikimedia communities: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing listWikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonumentshttp://www.wi...
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
I have sent this e-mail to the general Wiki Loves Monuments list first, but this request is relevant for all of you who organize Wiki Loves... campaigns and who work with UploadWizard in this process!
All feedback welcome!
Sandra
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Sandra Fauconnier sfauconnier@wikimedia.org Date: Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:54 PM Subject: Structured Data on Commons and Wiki Loves... campaigns: wishes for UploadWizard? To: WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
Hello everyone! I hope all is well :-)
Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons (SDC) will become available this year. With SDC, Wikimedians can add data from Wikidata directly to files on Wikimedia Commons. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/About
Benefits include multilinguality of Commons files (users can find and describe files on Commons in many languages), and machine-readable data with better APIs, that offer more advanced possibilities to build applications like Monumental - https://tools.wmflabs.org/monumental/
In the not so far future, you will also be able to organize Wiki Loves... (Monuments, Earth, Africa, Art, Love, ...) campaigns on Wikimedia Commons with structured data. (This is entirely optional, but maybe some of you are already keen to do this, especially if you already have monument or other data in Wikidata!)
In the course of 2019, the SDC development team wants to improve Wikimedia Commons' UploadWizard to support the campaigns that want to be powered by Structured Data 'new style'.
Do you have ideas and wishes for this? The team wants to hear which structured data features you want to see in UploadWizard, and we are now organizing a consultation about this over the next two weeks.
This page gives more context, and links to where you can leave feedback. We're collecting this first round of input until April 17.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feed...
Many thanks in advance! Warmly, Sandra
Hello everyone!
Just a quick reminder that we'd like to wrap up the current consultation about UploadWizard by Wednesday 17 April. If you have ideas, please contribute them on the talk page of the consultation page here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feed... Or directly in the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r3dc8CA3TECaOWbURe4BBM47cp2P3521gQls...
Several people have already provided feedback there (thank you!). The Structured Data on Commons team is also in touch with the organizers of WikiDaheim (Austria) to collect their feedback directly.
Many greetings! Sandra
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Sandra Fauconnier sfauconnier@wikimedia.org Date: Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:54 PM Subject: Structured Data on Commons and Wiki Loves... campaigns: wishes for UploadWizard? To: WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
Hello everyone! I hope all is well :-)
Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons (SDC) will become available this year. With SDC, Wikimedians can add data from Wikidata directly to files on Wikimedia Commons. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/About
Benefits include multilinguality of Commons files (users can find and describe files on Commons in many languages), and machine-readable data with better APIs, that offer more advanced possibilities to build applications like Monumental - https://tools.wmflabs.org/monumental/
In the not so far future, you will also be able to organize Wiki Loves... (Monuments, Earth, Africa, Art, Love, ...) campaigns on Wikimedia Commons with structured data. (This is entirely optional, but maybe some of you are already keen to do this, especially if you already have monument or other data in Wikidata!)
In the course of 2019, the SDC development team wants to improve Wikimedia Commons' UploadWizard to support the campaigns that want to be powered by Structured Data 'new style'.
Do you have ideas and wishes for this? The team wants to hear which structured data features you want to see in UploadWizard, and we are now organizing a consultation about this over the next two weeks.
This page gives more context, and links to where you can leave feedback. We're collecting this first round of input until April 17.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feed...
Many thanks in advance! Warmly, Sandra
-- Sandra Fauconnier (she/her) Program Officer, GLAM and Structured Data, Wikimedia Foundation Twitter: @glamwiki
How Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums work with Wikimedia communities: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM
wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org