Hi Sandra,
I started testing it and I think I'm missing something quite
basic. If
I go to https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sheikh-Lotf-Allah_mosque_wall_and_ceiling_2.jpg
, I don't see any "Structured data" tab which I would expect
to see
based on the instructions [1]. On the other hand, for a file
such as
https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Head_of_calico_cat_with_open_eyes.jpg
I do see the tab. What am I doing wrong?
This is an issue with test-commons, not related to
Structured Data at all, and apparently difficult to fix. Not
all files you find will have a "Structured data" tab.
See also the list of known issues at the bottom of the
consultation page - it also says that you can't see many
images (equally an issue with test-commons and unrelated to
Structured data)
Also, while I understand the basics of Wikibase and
Wikidata, I'm
slightly lost as where we are with the different components
of SDC
with regards to Commons and/or Wiki Loves Monuments. For
example,
* are we at a place that we're ready to represent a Commons
page such
as https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Cloisters_at_Gloucester_Cathedral.jpg
via Wikibase completely? or are there components missing? If
they are
missing, what are those?
First, there's a technical component to this. At this
moment, apart from adding a multilingual caption, you can't
add any structured data to a file on Commons yet.
In a few weeks, if all goes well and no big technical
hurdles occur, you will be able to add 'Depicts' statements
to files on Wikimedia Commons. And soon after that, you will
also be able to add other Wikidata statements too.
Then there's a social component. Just like happened with
Wikidata, it is up to the community to define the data
model: i.e. exactly *how* files on Wikimedia Commons must be
described. As soon as Wikidata became available, the
community started to propose properties and started to
figure out how exactly you should describe a building,
painting, species, human... on Wikidata.
The same process must still happen on Wikimedia Commons
too.
It would be very valuable if people from the Wiki
Loves... communities would be active in this process as
well, to make sure that photos of heritage are well
described on Commons!
* What do you mean when you say we can organize the WLM
campaigns on
Commons with structured data? By "organize" are you
referring to the
landing page of the campaigns? For example, should I assume
that all
the info that we show in the landing page of Iran's contest
at
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2018_in_Iran
can be represented by structured data?
Sorry for the lack of clarity here!
No, this does *not* apply to landing pages. Structured
data only applies to the files on Wikimedia Commons - the
photos (and sometimes videos) that participants upload. So
Structured data will play a role at the moment when
participants upload their images, and when you want to
organize and describe these images better.
Landing pages will stay wikitext pages.
On my end, both as an international WLM organizer and a
local
organizer, I can say that I can benefit from a virtual
online meeting
where we can have some of these types of questions answered
directly.
While I appreciate the documentation, amending it with a
virtual
meeting may be necessary as there are a lot of nuances both
on your
end and our end, and understanding these nuances will have
impact on
our feedback on features such as uploadwizard.
Of course, I will be very happy to organize this! If
anyone on this mailing list has direct suggestions on how
and when to do it (IRC office hour? A Google Hangout? Which
time would be most convenient?), I would love to hear them,
and otherwise I'll get in touch with you and some other very
active organizers to plan a meeting.
Warmly, Sandra
On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 3:55 AM Sandra Fauconnier
<sfauconnier@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
>
> Hello everyone! I hope all is well :-)
>
> Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons (SDC) will become
available this year. With SDC, Wikimedians can add data from
Wikidata directly to files on Wikimedia Commons.
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/About
>
> Benefits include multilinguality of Commons files
(users can find and describe files on Commons in many
languages), and machine-readable data with better APIs, that
offer more advanced possibilities to build applications like
Monumental - https://tools.wmflabs.org/monumental/
>
> In the not so far future, you will also be able to
organize Wiki Loves... (Monuments, Earth, Africa, Art, Love,
...) campaigns on Wikimedia Commons with structured data.
(This is entirely optional, but maybe some of you are
already keen to do this, especially if you already have
monument or other data in Wikidata!)
>
> In the course of 2019, the SDC development team wants
to improve Wikimedia Commons' UploadWizard to support the
campaigns that want to be powered by Structured Data 'new
style'.
>
> Do you have ideas and wishes for this? The team wants
to hear which structured data features you want to see in
UploadWizard, and we are now organizing a consultation about
this over the next two weeks.
>
> This page gives more context, and links to where you
can leave feedback. We're collecting this first round of
input until April 17.
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feedback_requests/SDC_campaign_features_for_UploadWizard
>
> Many thanks in advance!
> Warmly, Sandra
>
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