On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Strainu strainu10@gmail.com wrote:

"Presented as a philanthropic operation, this initiative looks more like a commercial action. Indeed, the participation is conditioned by the acceptance of a CC license allowing the commercial reuse of the pictures.

Private or public entities can therefore use this pictures legally as postcards, posters, books or as illustrations in the press.

The professional photographers living from the copyrights are worried by this initiative [...]"

Strainu

My personal opinion is that the real meaning is: "some of our members didn't bother to read the rules of the contest and discovered too late that people could reuse their work" or "There are some really good photographers out there who share their work for free so how on earth are we going to charge a lot of money for a bunch of good photos?"

Cruccone

You could always inform them that they are free to print the WLM photographs as postcards and sell them themselves =)

Jokes aside this will always be the case when business interests clash. I'd also assume Encyclopedia Britannica tells it's professional editors not to improve articles on Wikipedia since it competes with their product.

The only thing I took offence to was that the wording (at least to my now somewhat neglected French) was that the competition only pretended to be philanthropic whilst having crass commercialism as it's true goal. This is something I feel is misrepresented. Would be interesting to hear if they also view Wikipedia as a similar commercial product or if they are just unaware that CC-NC is (almost) never allowed within the wikisphere.

Andre

On 28 October 2011 15:30, Marco Chiesa chiesa.marco@gmail.com wrote:

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Strainu strainu10@gmail.com wrote:

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"Presented as a philanthropic operation, this initiative looks more like a commercial action. Indeed, the participation is conditioned by the acceptance of a CC license allowing the commercial reuse of the pictures.

Private or public entities can therefore use this pictures legally as postcards, posters, books or as illustrations in the press.

The professional photographers living from the copyrights are worried by this initiative [...]"

Strainu

My personal opinion is that the real meaning is: "some of our members didn't bother to read the rules of the contest and discovered too late that people could reuse their work" or "There are some really good photographers out there who share their work for free so how on earth are we going to charge a lot of money for a bunch of good photos?"

Cruccone

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Miguel García, 28/10/2011 16:26:

Professional photographers worried about a contest where the main number of contestants are amateur.

Interesting :-)

Good job guys, this is a sign that we are doing well :P

Not with regard to free licenses promotion/discussion, though. Even the italian SIAE (the most hated entity in Italy, probably) has somehow accepted/recognized the CC licenses in their schemes. Looks like a good opportunity for a public debate!

Nemo

Hello,

few precision about UPP :

they first published the letter on their website and sent us the letter (paper) after.

We want to answer that: - Re-explain what is the WLM contest - We will not change the conditions of Commons, the license of WLM is no exception - Re-explain what is the CC-BY-SA - remember that we are very committed to respect the authors photos - Propose to discuss it with them.

But we do not have many illusions about their speech, they obviously do not want to make the effort to accept the way we do.

Adrienne

Le 28 octobre 2011 16:25, Sylvain Boissel sylvain.boissel@wikimedia.fr a écrit :

Hello,

Photographers (at last in France, I don't know if it is the same in other countries) are facing a serious profesionnal crisis due to several factors, one of them being the massive usage by the media of "Royalty Free" photographs. As several companies built their royalty free photographs databases through photo contests, the "Union des Photographes Professionnels" (an association of pro photographers) has established a blacklist of photo contests where participants abandon their copyright & royalties to the organizers of the contest.

So, as the CC-By-SA used on Commons allows commercial usage, they referenced WLM in this blacklist.

However, this had very little impact : no mentions in the press, very few on Twitter or other social networks. We prepared an answer for them but it is currently awaiting final rereading before sending.

Sylvain.

2011/10/28 Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com

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Someone from French WLM can explain what is going on here:

http://www.upp-auteurs.fr/actualites.php?categorie=3&actualite=589

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