HI all, What we can do with the monuments that aren't in the authorities list for low coverage from government? There are a decision about this from International team? some advices? I think here we have many monuments in many government list. How you do with these kind of monuments?
thanks!
Johnattan Rupire писал 2016-08-17 06:15:
HI all, What we can do with the monuments that aren't in the authorities list for low coverage from government? There are a decision about this from International team? some advices? I think here we have many monuments in many government list. How you do with these kind of monuments?
thanks!
Every team decides what they want to do. In Russia, for example, the official database is buggy and incomplete, and we are adding many monuments to the lists by hand (and also removing some which are included multiple times).
Cheers Yaroslav
Hey Johnattan,
Typically, countries follow the official list - which will never be perfect. In some countries this is particularly sensitive, because it represents a specific period in the history.
There are a few approaches you could take, but none are real solutions. I would myself totally not be in favor of just 'adding monuments to the list'. Only in the case of a technical/clerical error, I would suggest to do that. But this sounds more like you disagree with the government on what the definition should be.
What they did in South Africa, if I recall correctly, was to create a separate list, where people could make suggestions for buildings to be recognised as monument - a list they would pass on to the government at the end of the competition. You could even ask people to submit photos for that, but those would - I think - be out of competition.
Best, Lodewijk
2016-08-17 10:35 GMT+02:00 Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru:
Johnattan Rupire писал 2016-08-17 06:15:
HI all, What we can do with the monuments that aren't in the authorities list for low coverage from government? There are a decision about this from International team? some advices? I think here we have many monuments in many government list. How you do with these kind of monuments?
thanks!
Every team decides what they want to do. In Russia, for example, the official database is buggy and incomplete, and we are adding many monuments to the lists by hand (and also removing some which are included multiple times).
Cheers Yaroslav
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Hi Johnattan,
On Tuesday, August 16, 2016, Johnattan Rupire jarjacha@riseup.net wrote:
What we can do with the monuments that aren't in the authorities list for low coverage from government?
I think here we have many monuments in many government list. How you do with these kind of monuments?
Based on the above two statements, I'm hearing from you that 1) the official list of monuments from the government has a lot of missing monuments, 2) there are other monument lists gathered by the government. If the latter is correct, can you provide links to these other monuments lists by the government? This information can help us help you better.
Leila
thanks!
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Hi,
In Ukrainian WLM we use only lists from authorities. I think that WMUA as an organisation is not empowered to decide what is a monument and what is not, neither on our own nor on advice.
The lists are buggy and incomplete, indeed (not an uncommon issue, as I see). But there is a side effect: during the contest Ukrainian media use the gap between what deserves to be protected and what actually is protected to draw attention to the monuments preservation problems in the country.
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2016-08-17 18:57 GMT+03:00 Lily lilyofthewest.wikimedia@gmail.com:
Hi Johnattan,
On Tuesday, August 16, 2016, Johnattan Rupire jarjacha@riseup.net wrote:
What we can do with the monuments that aren't in the authorities list for low coverage from government?
I think here we have many monuments in many government list. How you do with these kind of monuments?
Based on the above two statements, I'm hearing from you that 1) the official list of monuments from the government has a lot of missing monuments, 2) there are other monument lists gathered by the government. If the latter is correct, can you provide links to these other monuments lists by the government? This information can help us help you better.
Leila
thanks!
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Vira Motorko, 17/08/2016 21:23:
But there is a side effect: during the contest Ukrainian media use the gap between what deserves to be protected and what actually is protected to draw attention to the monuments preservation problems in the country.
Nice! In Italy that's not possible because nobody knows what's supposedly "protected" (i.e. declared cultural heritage).
Neom
Hi!
El 17/08/16 a las 10:57, Lily escribió:
Hi Johnattan,
On Tuesday, August 16, 2016, Johnattan Rupire <jarjacha@riseup.net mailto:jarjacha@riseup.net> wrote:
What we can do with the monuments that aren't in the authorities list for low coverage from government? I think here we have many monuments in many government list. How you do with these kind of monuments?
Based on the above two statements, I'm hearing from you that 1) the official list of monuments from the government has a lot of missing monuments, 2) there are other monument lists gathered by the government. If the latter is correct, can you provide links to these other monuments lists by the government? This information can help us help you better.
Leila
to question one the answer is yes, they have a list but this list is uncomplete. After that, a lot of this monuments in this list dont have geotag. There are another lists, unofficial, with some monuments that no are in the official list. They are from social collectives to promote and protect the cultural heritage, like "Salvemos las huacas" collective. We are looking for conect with they for ask to donate their list. (they have a CC BY-NC-SA licence) http://salvemoslashuacas.pe/huacas?mode=listado
We would like to be in the same situation that ukranian wlm team, but we have no incidence on media yet. We are sure, in this moment, that our government dont have real update of cultural heritage. We think the russian team way in useful for us too.
We are working on it, and we have a surprise from another wikipedian editor, he was delete the templates we created to distribute the monuments for region in Perú. :( https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Monumentos_del_Departamento_del_Cusco
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