That is indeed very interesting, so thanks for posting! I wasn't actually
talking about that measurement however. I was wondering if it was possible
to catch the number of uploads using the specific easy upload link from a
Wikipedia page, rather than one from a WLM website (which is where the
banner takes you). So for example I know that in the Dutch Wikipedia, the
"easy upload link" is only available in September and is used on certain
Wikipedia pages (mostly the monuments lists). If most of the uploads that
come through are coming from these pages, then the effect of the banner may
not be as great as we think.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Estermann Beat <beat.estermann(a)bfh.ch>
wrote:
Dear Jane, Richard, et al.
We measured this in the 2013 participants’ survey:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/WLM2013_Frequencies_and…
Italy:
- 49% of WLM participants were new to Wikimedia projects
(average across all countries: 45%)
- 9% were not new, but had only participated in other photo
contests before (avg. across all countries: 6%)
Thus, Italy was slightly above average in attracting new users with their
WLM contest.
Our data also show that the site notice effect is indeed not negligible at
all: 60% of all participants found out about WLM through the banners on
Wikipedia or other Wikipedia projects. The second most important channel
concerned only 21% of participants who said that they were a “member of the
organizing team / organization”, followed by “I just remembered from last
year” (17%) ; social media (16%); “Somebody I know told me about the
competition (10%).
So you would probably lose about half of your participants (mostly new
contributors) if you didn’t have banners at all. Whether you would also
lose half of the contributions is a completely different story, as people
tend to contribute with varying intensity. I didn’t look into this. Also,
it’s not so clear how to ponder quantity against quality…
Cheers,
Beat
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*Subject:* Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments
in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
Not sure how to measure this, but it would be interesting for our stats if
we COULD measure this. I define a casual uploader as someone who comes to
the upload wizard through the WLM easy upload link from a Wikipedia page
rather than some other way.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Richard Symonds <
richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
I am not sure how the Italian WLM works, but I believe they do still
attract newbies to the competition. I am not sure about their proportion
of "casual
uploaders/experienced uploaders" but we haven't seen figures either way
there.
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On 24 August 2015 at 12:08, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I think you misunderstand me. What I meant to say is that though the impact
of no banner might be great, it is not so great as it would be for those
countries who can attract newbies to the competition. The Italian situation
is so complicated that I don't think their proportion of "casual
uploaders/experienced uploaders" is the same as for other countries, ergo,
the banner would be less of an issue, though still an issue.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Romaine Wiki <romaine.wiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Jane,
Yes, Italy is one of those odd countries without freedom of panorama. The
copyright on photos of monuments is held by local governments. Wikimedia
Italy has as large task to get permission from these hundreds/thousands
local administrations for the photos uploaded. Therefore organising Wiki
Loves Monuments in Italy is a very very heavy and extensive task in
comparison with other countries. The Italian Wiki Loves Monuments team
does
a great job in getting all the permissions.
You can't derive from the situation that there is no FoP, that thus the
impact won't be too great. Te kort door de bocht.
Romaine
2015-08-24 12:19 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>om>:
> Isn't Italy one of those odd European countries that won't allow freedom
> of panorama? Surely the impact won't be too great, considering that the
> type of people who can participate are at least savvy enough to
understand
> the oddities of the Italian monuments
situation & Commons. Italy was
late
> to join the WLM party for this reason, and I
understand it is only
specific
> municipalities that take part now.
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine.wiki(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Giving Wiki Loves Monuments the worst possible situation is certainly
>> not a compromise, but a situation in what users from the community are
>> crushed under the weight of the foundation. A compromise is, according
to
>> the dictionary, a situation in what both
parties concede something. In
this
>> case, WLM concedes everything and WMF
nothing.
>> I have seen already users asking if this will be the next big clash
>> between WMF and the community, after the VisualEditor, MediaViewer,
>> Superprotect and other issues. I personally hope not.
>>
>> You are of course free to think how much negative impact it will have,
>> but I base my numbers on the statistics from the past years. We have
seen
>> each time a big influence from
conflicting banners or outage. We have
>> followed the statistics and the impact of past years and we have
learned
>> from the past that it has a big impact we
certainly should not
>> underestimate.
>>
>> And I disagree with your statement that there always will be a clash
>> somewhere. There is no need for a clash if people work together on the
>> planning. September is not the only month in autumn, and not all
countries
>> are occupied by Wiki Loves Monuments.
Suggesting otherwise are fairy
tales.
>> This is one of the strongest examples of
bad planning I have seen in
all
>> the years. Of every country that
organises Wiki Loves Monuments, they
have
>> picked the worst possible country.
>>
>> You reduce this problem to just a "number of emotive emails", with
what
>> you make clear you missed the essence of this case.
>>
>> Romaine
>>
>> 2015-08-24 10:53 GMT+02:00 Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com>om>:
>>
>>> Hi Romaine,
>>>
>>> > And the outcome is ridiculous. This is not a compromise. The Italian
>>> WLM
>>> > team has been crashed under the weight and preponderance of the
>>> Wikimedia
>>> > Foundation.
>>>
>>> Well - it *is* a compromise. It isn't what you want and I think I
>>> understand your reasons for thinking it will have a very big impact. I
>>> know
>>> from plenty of past experience of being a volunteer disagreeing with
WMF
>>> staff how frustrating this is
(though actually I think the impact on
>>> WLM
>>> will be less than you expect in this case).
>>>
>>> But it is plainly not the case that the WMF has just blundered ahead
>>> with
>>> what it was going to do anyway. And even if WMF were not involved at
all
>>> and there were some other method of
allocating banner space, if Autumn
>>> has
>>> the peak fundraising potential and is when WLM happens, there will
>>> always
>>> be some kind of clash somewhere, and someone or other will not get
what
>>> they want. No number of emotive
emails will change that.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Chris
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