Hi guys,
I suggest you do a break down of what you need like I did at
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Cultural_heritage_task_force#Ri…
. I'll reply inline.
Op 11-6-2013 10:18, Estermann Beat schreef:
Thanks, Charles, for raising this question.
To my knowledge, the coordinates are not the only issue. Other issues are:
-Wikidata doesn’t support the creation of lists in Wikipedia yet. -
What is a realistic deployment plan for phase 3?
That's a good question. To be able to convert our lists we at least need
to have the option to get claims from an item that's not directly
linked. It would still be a manual step to convert the lists, but at
least all the data will be fetched from wikidata. Later we could start
using the querypage, but I don't expect that to be available in time.
-It is impossible to link from Wikidata to Wikipedia-Redirects that
point to a sub-section of an existing article.
Example:
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q736587 - The Peter and Paul
Cathedral in Saint Petersburg (Russia) does not have a separate entry
on the German Wikipedia, but a Redirect that points to the respective
sub-section of the article on the Peter and Paul Fortress in which the
cathedral is located. When I add the name of the Cathedral redirect
page into Wikidata, it automatically returns the lemma of the Fortress
and consequently produces an error, as the Fortress is indeed another
entity covered by the data object
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q38646.
An example related to the Swiss monuments lists:
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q222022 - Grimselsee. Here, the Wikidata
object has been assigned the property “Swiss cultural property of
national significance <http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8274529>“, based
on the respective category attributed to the article. But this
information is not correct: not the lake (Grimselsee) is a cultural
property of national significance, but the Grimsel dam. If we were to
produce the monuments lists in Wikipedia based on this entry, we would
have “Grimselsee” (the lake) in the monuments list instead of the
Grimsel dam. – How can we resolve that issue? – By generating separate
Wikipedia articles for each entity in Wikidata? (I’m not sure whether
that’s practicable). Another approach would consist in creating a
sub-section in the article on “Grimselsee” (the lake) that contains a
few sentences about the dam. Via a re-direct, we could directly point
to the sub-section about the dam; but this is not supported by
Wikidata. Furthermore, there might be a more general issue related to
the “fuzzy” categorizing used in Wikipedia that is not really
compatible with Wikidata (in this case, the “Cultural Property of
National Significance”-category has been attributed to a lemma that is
no doubt related to the protected cultural property, but which is not
referring to the cultural property as such).
You need to do something smart with inheritage. Take for example
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q13423596 . It doesn't have it's own
article, but it's part of
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12013423 and
that does have an article. That's something we can use.
Further issues may include:
-Wikidata does support multilingual data entries; but how about true
multilingual support of the tools and apps used for Wiki Loves
Monuments? – How quickly would that be implemented? (In the end you
would need to be able to display the monuments entries for a given
territory in one of several languages, depending on the user’s choice.)
Most if not all WLM apps are multilingual. Most work would be in
rebuilding tools to support Wikidata, not the multilingual part.
-How about the user interface for editing the monuments lists? – We
might well have the functionality to generate lists from Wikidata at
some point during this summer (maybe). But how about the editing
functionalities? How practicable will it be to edit monuments lists
once the data are stored in Wikidata? – I would at least expect some
usability challenges here. Has anybody thought about that?
I thought about that. It's all api and json on Wikidata so you could
probably make your own custom editor targeted at your domain (in this
case monuments in Switzerland). That could be quite user friendly.
Are there any other known or suspected issues?
You should do the breakdown and with a small number of monuments and see
if you can get them in Wikidata. Keep track of what you encounter so we
can improve on that.
Maarten
I guess we should have a clear idea of the issues awaiting us when
moving the monuments lists to Wikidata before seriously considering
going that path in the run-up for WLM 2013.
We could list the issues on the project page of the Wikidata Cultural
Heritage Task Force:
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Cultural_heritage_task_force
<http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Cultural_heritage_task_force>
Kind regards,
Beat
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[mailto:wikilovesmonuments-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Charles Andrès
*Sent:* Montag, 10. Juni 2013 22:49
*To:* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
*Subject:* [Wiki Loves Monuments] Geoccordinates are live in Wikidata
Dear all,
Does this news change the plan for Wikilovesmonuments,
Switzerland stil have't decide whether or not we will have a WLM2013,
but having the possibility to use Wikidata instead of list in
different wikipedia could influence a lot our choice.
Sincerely
Charles
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Heya folks :)
We've just deployed new code to
wikidata.org <http://wikidata.org>. We
fixed a few bugs, most notably:
*
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45244 - Shows
statements from "oldid" version, not "diff" version
* Fixed a number of issues in translatable messages that made it hard
to translate them
In addition to that there is also shiny new stuff:
* Bene* wrote a new special page to set language links without
JavaScript enabled (Special:SetSiteLink)
* Made first version of the geocoordinates datatype available \o/
This means that you will be able to enter the coordinates of a city
for example as soon as someone created the necessary property for it.
(There are a few waiting on
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal.) It's still a
bit wonky so please do let me know about any issues you find. We're
already aware of:
**
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49385 - cardinal
directions in geocoordinate datatype are not localized
**
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49386 - apostrophe
issue in geocoordinate UI
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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49387 - property
parser function needs to support geocoordinate datatype
Please subscribe to these bugs to stay up-to-date and please vote on
the ones you care about most to help us prioritize. (You can find a
list of all open bugs here:
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