Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Geoccordinates are live in Wikidata

Thanks, Charles, for raising this question. To my knowledge, the coordinates are not the only issue. Other issues are: -Wikidata doesn’t support the creation of lists in Wikipedia yet. - What is a realistic deployment plan for phase 3?

-It is impossible to link from Wikidata to Wikipedia-Redirects that point to a sub-section of an existing article. Example: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q736587 - The Peter and Paul Cathedral in Saint Petersburg (Russia) does not have a separate entry on the German Wikipedia, but a Redirect that points to the respective sub-section of the article on the Peter and Paul Fortress in which the cathedral is located. When I add the name of the Cathedral redirect page into Wikidata, it automatically returns the lemma of the Fortress and consequently produces an error, as the Fortress is indeed another entity covered by the data object http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q38646. An example related to the Swiss monuments lists: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q222022 - Grimselsee. Here, the Wikidata object has been assigned the property “Swiss cultural property of national significance <http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8274529>“, based on the respective category attributed to the article. But this information is not correct: not the lake (Grimselsee) is a cultural property of national significance, but the Grimsel dam. If we were to produce the monuments lists in Wikipedia based on this entry, we would have “Grimselsee” (the lake) in the monuments list instead of the Grimsel dam. – How can we resolve that issue? – By generating separate Wikipedia articles for each entity in Wikidata? (I’m not sure whether that’s practicable). Another approach would consist in creating a sub-section in the article on “Grimselsee” (the lake) that contains a few sentences about the dam. Via a re-direct, we could directly point to the sub-section about the dam; but this is not supported by Wikidata. Furthermore, there might be a more general issue related to the “fuzzy” categorizing used in Wikipedia that is not really compatible with Wikidata (in this case, the “Cultural Property of National Significance”-category has been attributed to a lemma that is no doubt related to the protected cultural property, but which is not referring to the cultural property as such).

Further issues may include: -Wikidata does support multilingual data entries; but how about true multilingual support of the tools and apps used for Wiki Loves Monuments? – How quickly would that be implemented? (In the end you would need to be able to display the monuments entries for a given territory in one of several languages, depending on the user’s choice.)

-How about the user interface for editing the monuments lists? – We might well have the functionality to generate lists from Wikidata at some point during this summer (maybe). But how about the editing functionalities? How practicable will it be to edit monuments lists once the data are stored in Wikidata? – I would at least expect some usability challenges here. Has anybody thought about that?

Are there any other known or suspected issues?

I guess we should have a clear idea of the issues awaiting us when moving the monuments lists to Wikidata before seriously considering going that path in the run-up for WLM 2013. We could list the issues on the project page of the Wikidata Cultural Heritage Task Force: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Cultural_heritage_task_force <http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Cultural_heritage_task_force> Kind regards, Beat *From:*wikilovesmonuments-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikilovesmonuments-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Charles Andrès *Sent:* Montag, 10. Juni 2013 22:49 *To:* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition *Subject:* [Wiki Loves Monuments] Geoccordinates are live in Wikidata Dear all, Does this news change the plan for Wikilovesmonuments, Switzerland stil have't decide whether or not we will have a WLM2013, but having the possibility to use Wikidata instead of list in different wikipedia could influence a lot our choice. Sincerely Charles ___________________________________________________________ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chairman "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch <http://www.wikimedia.ch/> Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch <irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch> Début du message réexpédié : *De : *Lydia Pintscher &lt;lydia.pintscher(a)wikimedia.de <mailto:lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de>> *Objet : [Wikidata-l] Geoccordinates are live* *Date : *10 juin 2013 20:50:27 UTC+02:00 *À : *"Discussion list for the Wikidata project." &lt;wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org>> *Répondre à : *"Discussion list for the Wikidata project." &lt;wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org>> Heya folks :) We've just deployed new code to wikidata.org <http://wikidata.org>. We fixed a few bugs, most notably: * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45244 - Shows statements from "oldid" version, not "diff" version * Fixed a number of issues in translatable messages that made it hard to translate them In addition to that there is also shiny new stuff: * Bene* wrote a new special page to set language links without JavaScript enabled (Special:SetSiteLink) * Made first version of the geocoordinates datatype available \o/ This means that you will be able to enter the coordinates of a city for example as soon as someone created the necessary property for it. (There are a few waiting on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal.) It's still a bit wonky so please do let me know about any issues you find. We're already aware of: ** https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49385 - cardinal directions in geocoordinate datatype are not localized ** https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49386 - apostrophe issue in geocoordinate UI ** https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49387 - property parser function needs to support geocoordinate datatype Please subscribe to these bugs to stay up-to-date and please vote on the ones you care about most to help us prioritize. (You can find a list of all open bugs here: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?emailcc1=1&resolution=---&am…) Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Technical Projects Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de <http://www.wikimedia.de> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org