Hi guys,

I suggest you do a break down of what you need like I did at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Cultural_heritage_task_force#Rij... . I'll reply inline.

Op 11-6-2013 10:18, Estermann Beat schreef:

Thanks, Charles, for raising this question.

To my knowledge, the coordinates are not the only issue. Other issues are:

-Wikidata doesn’t support the creation of lists in Wikipedia yet. - What is a realistic deployment plan for phase 3?

That's a good question. To be able to convert our lists we at least need to have the option to get claims from an item that's not directly linked. It would still be a manual step to convert the lists, but at least all the data will be fetched from wikidata. Later we could start using the querypage, but I don't expect that to be available in time.

-It is impossible to link from Wikidata to Wikipedia-Redirects that point to a sub-section of an existing article.

Example: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q736587 - The Peter and Paul Cathedral in Saint Petersburg (Russia) does not have a separate entry on the German Wikipedia, but a Redirect that points to the respective sub-section of the article on the Peter and Paul Fortress in which the cathedral is located. When I add the name of the Cathedral redirect page into Wikidata, it automatically returns the lemma of the Fortress and consequently produces an error, as the Fortress is indeed another entity covered by the data object http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q38646.

An example related to the Swiss monuments lists: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q222022 - Grimselsee. Here, the Wikidata object has been assigned the property “Swiss cultural property of national significance http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8274529“, based on the respective category attributed to the article. But this information is not correct: not the lake (Grimselsee) is a cultural property of national significance, but the Grimsel dam. If we were to produce the monuments lists in Wikipedia based on this entry, we would have “Grimselsee” (the lake) in the monuments list instead of the Grimsel dam. – How can we resolve that issue? – By generating separate Wikipedia articles for each entity in Wikidata? (I’m not sure whether that’s practicable). Another approach would consist in creating a sub-section in the article on “Grimselsee” (the lake) that contains a few sentences about the dam. Via a re-direct, we could directly point to the sub-section about the dam; but this is not supported by Wikidata. Furthermore, there might be a more general issue related to the “fuzzy” categorizing used in Wikipedia that is not really compatible with Wikidata (in this case, the “Cultural Property of National Significance”-category has been attributed to a lemma that is no doubt related to the protected cultural property, but which is not referring to the cultural property as such).

You need to do something smart with inheritage. Take for example https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q13423596 . It doesn't have it's own article, but it's part of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12013423 and that does have an article. That's something we can use.

Further issues may include:

-Wikidata does support multilingual data entries; but how about true multilingual support of the tools and apps used for Wiki Loves Monuments? – How quickly would that be implemented? (In the end you would need to be able to display the monuments entries for a given territory in one of several languages, depending on the user’s choice.)

Most if not all WLM apps are multilingual. Most work would be in rebuilding tools to support Wikidata, not the multilingual part.

-How about the user interface for editing the monuments lists? – We might well have the functionality to generate lists from Wikidata at some point during this summer (maybe). But how about the editing functionalities? How practicable will it be to edit monuments lists once the data are stored in Wikidata? – I would at least expect some usability challenges here. Has anybody thought about that?

I thought about that. It's all api and json on Wikidata so you could probably make your own custom editor targeted at your domain (in this case monuments in Switzerland). That could be quite user friendly.

Are there any other known or suspected issues?

You should do the breakdown and with a small number of monuments and see if you can get them in Wikidata. Keep track of what you encounter so we can improve on that.

Maarten

I guess we should have a clear idea of the issues awaiting us when moving the monuments lists to Wikidata before seriously considering going that path in the run-up for WLM 2013.

We could list the issues on the project page of the Wikidata Cultural Heritage Task Force:

http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Cultural_heritage_task_force http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Cultural_heritage_task_force

Kind regards,

Beat

*From:*wikilovesmonuments-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikilovesmonuments-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Charles Andrès *Sent:* Montag, 10. Juni 2013 22:49 *To:* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition *Subject:* [Wiki Loves Monuments] Geoccordinates are live in Wikidata

Dear all,

Does this news change the plan for Wikilovesmonuments,

Switzerland stil have't decide whether or not we will have a WLM2013, but having the possibility to use Wikidata instead of list in different wikipedia could influence a lot our choice.

Sincerely

Charles

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Heya folks :)

We've just deployed new code to wikidata.org http://wikidata.org. We fixed a few bugs, most notably:

• https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45244 - Shows

statements from "oldid" version, not "diff" version

• Fixed a number of issues in translatable messages that made it hard

to translate them

In addition to that there is also shiny new stuff:

• Bene* wrote a new special page to set language links without

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• Made first version of the geocoordinates datatype available \o/

This means that you will be able to enter the coordinates of a city for example as soon as someone created the necessary property for it. (There are a few waiting on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal.) It's still a bit wonky so please do let me know about any issues you find. We're already aware of: ** https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49385 - cardinal directions in geocoordinate datatype are not localized ** https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49386 - apostrophe issue in geocoordinate UI ** https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49387 - property parser function needs to support geocoordinate datatype

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