Hi Tony,

I have done a quick search and categorised the handful I found, you also have another 20 or so from earlier in 2021. Do you want those, I think I've given you a couple of them.

Jonathan

On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 15:04, Toni Sant toni.sant@wikimalta.org wrote:

Hi Philip -

Thank you very much for that! We'll test it shortly and you can assume all is well if I don't come back here again with this issue.

On a related note, we're ok to manually tag the images that have already been uploaded as long as we're able to trace them. How do we go about doing that? I mean, what's the easiest way of searching images uploaded in September 2021 from Category:Uploaded_via_Campaign:wlm-mt ? Or is there another way you (or anyone else on this list) would suggest?

Thanks again,

Toni

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On Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 02:55:14 PM GMT+1, Philip Kopetzky < philip.kopetzky@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Toni,

mt was missing in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:WLM-is-running/dates - I added it, please try again. The template should be added now during the upload, you'll have to manually add the template to the already uploaded images unfortunately.

BR, Philip

On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 14:00, Toni Sant toni.sant@wikimalta.org wrote:

Hi -

We're hoping that someone on this list can help us with a very specific issue on WLM 2021 in Malta.

It looks like uploads from Malta on WLM 2021 are not being assigned the hidden category Image from Wiki Loves Monument 2021 in Malta automatically through the upload wizard assigned to campaign=wlm-mt

For this reason, Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 in Malta remains empty!

I've just uploaded a test image via the Upload Wizard attached to campaign=wlm-mt to double check this. You can see it here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ugo_Pasquale_Mifsud_statue.jpg

From what I can see, it has not been assigned the hidden category Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 in Malta automatically.

I have a feeling that the solution is just a matter of editing a template, but I'm not sure which template needs editing exactly.

We would greatly appreciate any direct help or suggestions to fix this.

Many thanks,

Toni

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P.S.: I just realised that that page does nothing, because the actual dates are stored in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:WLM-is-running, which can only be edited by Commons Admins (which is quite an extreme measure and relies solely on a handful of people). It might be advisable to create your own template in order to still be in control of your campaign (one example of that would be https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:WikiDaheim_is_running ).

Best, Philip

On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 14:54, Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Toni,

mt was missing in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:WLM-is-running/dates - I added it, please try again. The template should be added now during the upload, you'll have to manually add the template to the already uploaded images unfortunately.

BR, Philip

On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 14:00, Toni Sant toni.sant@wikimalta.org wrote:

...

Hi -

We're hoping that someone on this list can help us with a very specific issue on WLM 2021 in Malta.

It looks like uploads from Malta on WLM 2021 are not being assigned the hidden category Image from Wiki Loves Monument 2021 in Malta automatically through the upload wizard assigned to campaign=wlm-mt

For this reason, Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 in Malta remains empty!

I've just uploaded a test image via the Upload Wizard attached to campaign=wlm-mt to double check this. You can see it here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ugo_Pasquale_Mifsud_statue.jpg

From what I can see, it has not been assigned the hidden category Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 in Malta automatically.

I have a feeling that the solution is just a matter of editing a template, but I'm not sure which template needs editing exactly.

We would greatly appreciate any direct help or suggestions to fix this.

Many thanks,

Toni

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I am a Commons admin, I can edit the template but I would need some better indications what to add there.

Best Yaroslav

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:28 AM Toni Sant toni.sant@wikimalta.org wrote:

Thanks, Philip -

If I have to create a bespoke template etc. it'll need to wait until tomorrow as I don't have the capacity for that today; I'm on the road because of my day job until tomorrow morning. I don't dare attempt something like this on my mobile!

Hopefully someone else can pick this up accordingly in the meantime, but if it's still unresolved by tomorrow morning I should be able to give it my full attention again. It is indeed surprising that such a key template has such restrictive editing permissions on it.

Thanks again,

Toni

On Wednesday, September 8, 2021, 10:18:05 AM GMT+1, Philip Kopetzky < philip.kopetzky@gmail.com> wrote:

P.S.: I just realised that that page does nothing, because the actual dates are stored in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:WLM-is-running, which can only be edited by Commons Admins (which is quite an extreme measure and relies solely on a handful of people). It might be advisable to create your own template in order to still be in control of your campaign (one example of that would be https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:WikiDaheim_is_running ).

Best, Philip

On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 14:54, Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Toni,

mt was missing in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:WLM-is-running/dates - I added it, please try again. The template should be added now during the upload, you'll have to manually add the template to the already uploaded images unfortunately.

BR, Philip

On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 14:00, Toni Sant toni.sant@wikimalta.org wrote:

Hi -

We're hoping that someone on this list can help us with a very specific issue on WLM 2021 in Malta.

It looks like uploads from Malta on WLM 2021 are not being assigned the hidden category Image from Wiki Loves Monument 2021 in Malta automatically through the upload wizard assigned to campaign=wlm-mt

For this reason, Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 in Malta remains empty!

I've just uploaded a test image via the Upload Wizard attached to campaign=wlm-mt to double check this. You can see it here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ugo_Pasquale_Mifsud_statue.jpg

From what I can see, it has not been assigned the hidden category Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 in Malta automatically.

I have a feeling that the solution is just a matter of editing a template, but I'm not sure which template needs editing exactly.

We would greatly appreciate any direct help or suggestions to fix this.

Many thanks,

Toni

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Because of how everything interweaves, that template is usually only edited by Romaine.

The start and end time for Malta on that template look just fine to me and haven't changed in the past week or so.

If you want to change the start/end time, the way to go about it, is to make the change in the list of participating countries: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021/Partici...

And if need be, ping Romaine.

I dont know why Jarekt has created the /dates template? It seems to be a 2015 attempt to arrive at a different structure, and to the best of my knowledge isn't used anywhere. I would suggest to delete it to avoid confusions like this one.

finally, much appreciate the changes made afterwards, but i would recommend to use the same system that the templates use, which is to include the template {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021|mt}} rather than the category by itself. That maintains consistency.

Lodewijk

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 3:46 AM Toni Sant toni.sant@wikimalta.org wrote:

Thanks, Yaroslav -

I think that the last template edit performed by Philip has done the trick. It works!

You can see it in action here:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Parish_Church_of_Dingli_during_the_f...

Thank you,

Toni

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On Wednesday, September 8, 2021, 10:32:35 AM GMT+1, Yaroslav Blanter < ymbalt@gmail.com> wrote:

I am a Commons admin, I can edit the template but I would need some better indications what to add there.

Best Yaroslav

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:28 AM Toni Sant toni.sant@wikimalta.org wrote:

Thanks, Philip -

If I have to create a bespoke template etc. it'll need to wait until tomorrow as I don't have the capacity for that today; I'm on the road because of my day job until tomorrow morning. I don't dare attempt something like this on my mobile!

Hopefully someone else can pick this up accordingly in the meantime, but if it's still unresolved by tomorrow morning I should be able to give it my full attention again. It is indeed surprising that such a key template has such restrictive editing permissions on it.

Thanks again,

Toni

On Wednesday, September 8, 2021, 10:18:05 AM GMT+1, Philip Kopetzky < philip.kopetzky@gmail.com> wrote:

P.S.: I just realised that that page does nothing, because the actual dates are stored in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:WLM-is-running, which can only be edited by Commons Admins (which is quite an extreme measure and relies solely on a handful of people). It might be advisable to create your own template in order to still be in control of your campaign (one example of that would be https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:WikiDaheim_is_running ).

Best, Philip

On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 14:54, Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Toni,

mt was missing in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:WLM-is-running/dates - I added it, please try again. The template should be added now during the upload, you'll have to manually add the template to the already uploaded images unfortunately.

BR, Philip

On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 14:00, Toni Sant toni.sant@wikimalta.org wrote:

Hi -

We're hoping that someone on this list can help us with a very specific issue on WLM 2021 in Malta.

It looks like uploads from Malta on WLM 2021 are not being assigned the hidden category Image from Wiki Loves Monument 2021 in Malta automatically through the upload wizard assigned to campaign=wlm-mt

For this reason, Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 in Malta remains empty!

I've just uploaded a test image via the Upload Wizard attached to campaign=wlm-mt to double check this. You can see it here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ugo_Pasquale_Mifsud_statue.jpg

From what I can see, it has not been assigned the hidden category Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 in Malta automatically.

I have a feeling that the solution is just a matter of editing a template, but I'm not sure which template needs editing exactly.

We would greatly appreciate any direct help or suggestions to fix this.

Many thanks,

Toni

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Thank you very much to Philip, Jonathan, Yaroslav, Lodewijk, and Romaine for all your input on this issue.  This has now been fully resolved.

Our community truly appreciates what an intricate operation WLM must be at the back end to make sure that everything runs as expected on Commons.

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On Wednesday, September 8, 2021, 08:35:56 PM GMT+2, Romaine Wiki romaine.wiki@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all, When there are issues like this, the best is to reach out to me directly as I maintain the WLM infrastructure. @Philip: The template you are referring to is protected for good reason: one small error and the full WLM photo contest has a gigantic problem. In other words, the template is extremely sensitive. You do not want to know how many people think that they can know what they are doing while they are not, therefore it is protected. Also working around this template does not solve anything, as the cause of the problem is elsewhere. The error was in the upload campaign itself and someone fixed it there. On the images uploaded this September I just fixed it with my bot. Not the contest category should have been added manually, but the contest template.

If there are any issues, please contact me directly. Thanks! Romaine

Op wo 8 sep. 2021 om 19:18 schreef effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com:

Because of how everything interweaves, that template is usually only edited by Romaine.  The start and end time for Malta on that template look just fine to me and haven't changed in the past week or so.  If you want to change the start/end time, the way to go about it, is to make the change in the list of participating countries: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021/Partici... if need be, ping Romaine.  I dont know why Jarekt has created the /dates template? It seems to be a 2015 attempt to arrive at a different structure, and to the best of my knowledge isn't used anywhere. I would suggest to delete it to avoid confusions like this one.  finally, much appreciate the changes made afterwards, but i would recommend to use the same system that the templates use, which is to include the template {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021|mt}} rather than the category by itself. That maintains consistency.  Lodewijk On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 3:46 AM Toni Sant toni.sant@wikimalta.org wrote:

Thanks, Yaroslav -

I think that the last template edit performed by Philip has done the trick.  It works!

You can see it in action here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Parish_Church_of_Dingli_during_the_f... Thank you, Toni

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On Wednesday, September 8, 2021, 10:32:35 AM GMT+1, Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com wrote:

I am a Commons admin, I can edit the template but I would need some better indications what to add there. Best Yaroslav

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:28 AM Toni Sant toni.sant@wikimalta.org wrote:

Thanks, Philip -

If I have to create a bespoke template etc. it'll need to wait until tomorrow as I don't have the capacity for that today; I'm on the road because of my day job until tomorrow morning.  I don't dare attempt something like this on my mobile!

Hopefully someone else can pick this up accordingly in the meantime, but if it's still unresolved by tomorrow morning I should be able to give it my full attention again. It is indeed surprising that such a key template has such restrictive editing permissions on it.

Thanks again, Toni

On Wednesday, September 8, 2021, 10:18:05 AM GMT+1, Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:

P.S.: I just realised that that page does nothing, because the actual dates are stored in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:WLM-is-running, which can only be edited by Commons Admins (which is quite an extreme measure and relies solely on a handful of people). It might be advisable to create your own template in order to still be in control of your campaign (one example of that would be https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:WikiDaheim_is_running ).  Best,Philip On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 14:54, Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Toni, mt was missing in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:WLM-is-running/dates - I added it, please try again. The template should be added now during the upload, you'll have to manually add the template to the already uploaded images unfortunately. BR,Philip On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 14:00, Toni Sant toni.sant@wikimalta.org wrote:

Hi -

We're hoping that someone on this list can help us with a very specific issue on WLM 2021 in Malta. It looks like uploads from Malta on WLM 2021 are not being assigned the hidden category Image from Wiki Loves Monument 2021 in Malta automatically through the upload wizard assigned to campaign=wlm-mt For this reason, Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 in Malta remains empty!

I've just uploaded a test image via the Upload Wizard attached to campaign=wlm-mt to double check this.  You can see it here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ugo_Pasquale_Mifsud_statue.jpg From what I can see, it has not been assigned the hidden category Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 in Malta automatically.

I have a feeling that the solution is just a matter of editing a template, but I'm not sure which template needs editing exactly.

We would greatly appreciate any direct help or suggestions to fix this. Many thanks, Toni

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