Dear All,
As was previously updated, Israel will participate this year in the WLM competition. We wish to update you with our progress.
Our first objective was to try and obtain a list of national monuments. This proved to be much more difficult than originally anticipated. According to Israeli antiquities law, any building or object created or built before 1700 is a protected archeological object. Buildings which were built afterwards were not protected. After the demolishing of the Herzaliya Gymnasium in 1962 [1], and following public protests, the National Council for Preservation of Heritage Sites was created. This body did not have any legal capacity to protect landmarks, and worked at advancing public awareness of national heritage sites. Only in 2011 was legislation passed protecting such landmarks. According to the legislation, the National Council will create lists of protected sites which will approved by the local municipalities in order to come into force. This resulted in local politics being involved, and most of the lists were never approved due to local economic interests.
We approached the Council, and requested their co-operation. We have held several meetings with the Council, and eventually convinced them to join us in the project. (One of the difficulties was that the Council itself has an annual photography competition, and the WLM would compete with it.) Upon receiving the blessing of the general manager of the National Council, we discovered that the Council itself does not have the lists of monuments. With the assistance of the Council, and after a week of searching, they were able to locate some of the lists, which are uploaded to the project page on Wikipedia [2].
This will be the first time that the list of national monuments will be available online to the Israeli public.
We have also contacted several sponsors, and currently await their decision to sponsor the competition.
We have contacted the largest local amateur photography school, and asked it to sponsor some of the events we are planning as part of the competition. We will further update once these events are finalized.
Regards,
Deror
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzliya_Hebrew_Gymnasium [2] http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%A7:WLM:list
Thanks Deror for the update! Do I understand correctly that the list is not complete yet?
As a point for the automated processing, it seems that currently you're working with Wikitables to show the lists in. We actually recommand to use a template structure, where you insert the same template for every row. This does have its limitations, but makes it easier to insert a dedicated upload link for that specific monument, or to have a link to its place on the map (once geo coordinates are available). It also makes it easier to harvest the monument list and update it in the database, I've been told.
Lodewijk
2012/7/2 Deror Avi deror_avi@yahoo.com
Dear All,
As was previously updated, Israel will participate this year in the WLM competition. We wish to update you with our progress.
Our first objective was to try and obtain a list of national monuments. This proved to be much more difficult than originally anticipated. According to Israeli antiquities law, any building or object created or built before 1700 is a protected archeological object. Buildings which were built afterwards were not protected. After the demolishing of the Herzaliya Gymnasium in 1962 [1], and following public protests, the National Council for Preservation of Heritage Sites was created. This body did not have any legal capacity to protect landmarks, and worked at advancing public awareness of national heritage sites. Only in 2011 was legislation passed protecting such landmarks. According to the legislation, the National Council will create lists of protected sites which will approved by the local municipalities in order to come into force. This resulted in local politics being involved, and most of the lists were never approved due to local economic interests.
We approached the Council, and requested their co-operation. We have held several meetings with the Council, and eventually convinced them to join us in the project. (One of the difficulties was that the Council itself has an annual photography competition, and the WLM would compete with it.) Upon receiving the blessing of the general manager of the National Council, we discovered that the Council itself does not have the lists of monuments. With the assistance of the Council, and after a week of searching, they were able to locate some of the lists, which are uploaded to the project page on Wikipedia [2].
This will be the first time that the list of national monuments will be available online to the Israeli public.
We have also contacted several sponsors, and currently await their decision to sponsor the competition.
We have contacted the largest local amateur photography school, and asked it to sponsor some of the events we are planning as part of the competition. We will further update once these events are finalized.
Regards,
Deror
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzliya_Hebrew_Gymnasium [2] http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%A7:WLM:list
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Hi,
Thanks for the updates!
Op 2-7-2012 10:58, Lodewijk schreef:
Thanks Deror for the update! Do I understand correctly that the list is not complete yet?
As a point for the automated processing, it seems that currently you're working with Wikitables to show the lists in. We actually recommand to use a template structure, where you insert the same template for every row. This does have its limitations, but makes it easier to insert a dedicated upload link for that specific monument, or to have a link to its place on the map (once geo coordinates are available). It also makes it easier to harvest the monument list and update it in the database, I've been told.
Easier? Possible. It doesn't work with wikitables. I see numbers in the list. Who assigned those numbers? Are these numbers unique?
You should place the lists in the main namespace and make them integral part of the encyclopedia, see for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_.... . This way you can start documenting your local heritage and Wiki Loves Monuments acts as a catalyst.
Maarten
Lodewijk
2012/7/2 Deror Avi <deror_avi@yahoo.com mailto:deror_avi@yahoo.com>
Dear All, As was previously updated, Israel will participate this year in the WLM competition. We wish to update you with our progress. Our first objective was to try and obtain a list of national monuments. This proved to be much more difficult than originally anticipated. According to Israeli antiquities law, any building or object created or built before 1700 is a protected archeological object. Buildings which were built afterwards were not protected. After the demolishing of the Herzaliya Gymnasium in 1962 [1], and following public protests, the National Council for Preservation of Heritage Sites was created. This body did not have any legal capacity to protect landmarks, and worked at advancing public awareness of national heritage sites. Only in 2011 was legislation passed protecting such landmarks. According to the legislation, the National Council will create lists of protected sites which will approved by the local municipalities in order to come into force. This resulted in local politics being involved, and most of the lists were never approved due to local economic interests. We approached the Council, and requested their co-operation. We have held several meetings with the Council, and eventually convinced them to join us in the project. (One of the difficulties was that the Council itself has an annual photography competition, and the WLM would compete with it.) Upon receiving the blessing of the general manager of the National Council, we discovered that the Council itself does not have the lists of monuments. With the assistance of the Council, and after a week of searching, they were able to locate some of the lists, which are uploaded to the project page on Wikipedia [2]. This will be the first time that the list of national monuments will be available online to the Israeli public. We have also contacted several sponsors, and currently await their decision to sponsor the competition. We have contacted the largest local amateur photography school, and asked it to sponsor some of the events we are planning as part of the competition. We will further update once these events are finalized. Regards, Deror [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzliya_Hebrew_Gymnasium [2] http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%A7:WLM:list _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
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We are making up the numbers, but they will be unique ideas. The national committee does not have numbers at all.
As to lists - unfortunately Hebrew Wikipedia does not allow lists. We would need to arrange some exception for this.
Deror
________________________________ From: Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Deror Avi deror_avi@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Israel Update
Hi,
Thanks for the updates!
Op 2-7-2012 10:58, Lodewijk schreef: Thanks Deror for the update! Do I understand correctly that the list is not complete yet?
As a point for the automated processing, it seems that currently you're working with Wikitables to show the lists in. We actually recommand to use a template structure, where you insert the same template for every row. This does have its limitations, but makes it easier to insert a dedicated upload link for that specific monument, or to have a link to its place on the map (once geo coordinates are available). It also makes it easier to harvest the monument list and update it in the database, I've been told.
Easier? Possible. It doesn't work with wikitables. I see numbers in the list. Who assigned those numbers? Are these numbers unique?
You should place the lists in the main namespace and make them integral part of the encyclopedia, see for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_... . This way you can start documenting your local heritage and Wiki Loves Monuments acts as a catalyst.
Maarten
Lodewijk
2012/7/2 Deror Avi deror_avi@yahoo.com
Dear All,
As was previously updated, Israel will participate this year in the WLM competition. We wish to update you with our progress.
Our first objective was to try and obtain a list of national monuments. This proved to be much more difficult than originally anticipated. According to Israeli antiquities law, any building or object created or built before 1700 is a protected archeological object. Buildings which were built afterwards were not protected. After the demolishing of the Herzaliya Gymnasium in 1962 [1], and following public protests, the National Council for Preservation of Heritage Sites was created. This body did not have any legal capacity to protect landmarks, and worked at advancing public awareness of national heritage sites. Only in 2011 was legislation passed protecting such landmarks. According to the legislation, the National Council will create lists of protected sites which will approved by the local municipalities in order to come into force. This resulted in local politics being involved, and most of the lists were never approved due to local economic
interests.
We approached the Council, and requested their co-operation. We have held several meetings with the Council, and eventually convinced them to join us in the project. (One of the difficulties was that the Council itself has an annual photography competition, and the WLM would compete with it.) Upon receiving the blessing of the general manager of the National Council, we discovered that the Council itself does not have the lists of monuments. With the assistance of the Council, and after a week of searching, they were able to locate some of the lists, which are uploaded to the project page on Wikipedia [2].
This will be the first time that the list of national monuments will be available online to the Israeli public.
We have also contacted several sponsors, and currently await their decision to sponsor the competition.
We have contacted the largest local amateur photography school, and asked it to sponsor some of the events we are planning as part of the competition. We will further update once these events are finalized.
Regards,
Deror
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzliya_Hebrew_Gymnasium [2] http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%A7:WLM:list
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
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2012/7/3 Deror Avi deror_avi@yahoo.com:
As to lists - unfortunately Hebrew Wikipedia does not allow lists. We would need to arrange some exception for this.
Maybe you could create a Wikiproject:WLM and put lists there.
Cristian
Deror, This is the third or fourth time I have heard of difficulties creating lists on non-US Wikipedia's for registered national heritage. I feel quite sure that this is probably due to some notability problem such as how to prove the items on the list are indeed notable.
In my view, you can best get around this as a new WLM participant by beginning with the low-hanging-fruit, which is the list of heritage sites that already have articles on your Wikipedia, augmented of course by any World Heritage Sites you may have in your area. Use their sources for starters, just to get your list-making infrastructure up&running. Whatever country you are from, making the lists is a long and difficult task, so the easiest way to get others to help you is to start as early as possible creating the first few lists and their associated templates.
You can even start out on the English Wikipedia. I feel quite confident that the World Heritage will already be listed there, and creating your first Table Header and Table Row templates will be easier using the English examples for other countries (pick one with the closest fit), which you can then translate (or ask some local template wizard to help out with this).
I just clicked on the Hebrew, and had some difficulty finding the edit button, but I see that indeed the lists aren't there. I agree with Maarten, you will need to conform as quickly as possible to the central infrastructure, or your work won't make it into the database!
Good luck! Jane
2012/7/5 Cristian Consonni kikkocristian@gmail.com
2012/7/3 Deror Avi deror_avi@yahoo.com:
As to lists - unfortunately Hebrew Wikipedia does not allow lists. We
would
need to arrange some exception for this.
Maybe you could create a Wikiproject:WLM and put lists there.
Cristian
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Op 3-7-2012 17:43, Deror Avi schreef:
We are making up the numbers, but they will be unique ideas. The national committee does not have numbers at all.
As to lists - unfortunately Hebrew Wikipedia does not allow lists. We would need to arrange some exception for this.
Who is working on making the lists right now?
Maarten
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