Hi guys.
I'm in the very best way shocked by results of the almost finished Belarusian contest. That is more than 100 contestants with more than 5000 submissions! I'm very happy with great results in other countries as well.
But as the contest is going to its end, there is a question about the reviewing proccess. How should jury members pick the best photos? Which software tools should they use? I'm even thinking about developing a new one which would just retrieve photos via MWAPI and then just give the jury members a choice out of hundreds of photos (beforehand filtered to eliminate all low-quality, non-encyclopedic stuff).
Looking through the mailing list archives, especially the Jury tools thread, I haven't yet received an ultimate answer.
So, what is yours?
I hope tomorrow we can present the tool that we build and planning to use in Israel
- Sent from my mobile device On Sep 29, 2012 5:44 PM, "Paul Selitskas" p.selitskas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys.
I'm in the very best way shocked by results of the almost finished Belarusian contest. That is more than 100 contestants with more than 5000 submissions! I'm very happy with great results in other countries as well.
But as the contest is going to its end, there is a question about the reviewing proccess. How should jury members pick the best photos? Which software tools should they use? I'm even thinking about developing a new one which would just retrieve photos via MWAPI and then just give the jury members a choice out of hundreds of photos (beforehand filtered to eliminate all low-quality, non-encyclopedic stuff).
Looking through the mailing list archives, especially the Jury tools thread, I haven't yet received an ultimate answer.
So, what is yours?
-- З павагай, Павел Селіцкас/Paul Selitskas Wizardist @ Wikimedia projects p.selitskas@gmail.com, +375257408304 Skype: p.selitskas
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My answer would be: browse the categories and store the links (the prehistoric way) in wikiformat with 500px, so you can use the previewpage thing to watch them in a list on full scale together. This is the way I've done it the last 2 years, and a nice extra is that after the contest I could publish my lists with one click on the save button. See for example http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Basvb/100 and other subpages there. This way even years later you can look at the best pictures and nominate some for QI or FP if you want, or when you have the 11th article and want to use a picture other than one of the top 10 winners. So publishing a longlist for you country would be a real benefit. Mvg, Bas
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 18:25:42 +0200 From: itzik@infra.co.il To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Jury tools [2nd turn]
I hope tomorrow we can present the tool that we build and planning to use in Israel - Sent from my mobile device On Sep 29, 2012 5:44 PM, "Paul Selitskas" p.selitskas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys.
I'm in the very best way shocked by results of the almost finished
Belarusian contest. That is more than 100 contestants with more than
5000 submissions! I'm very happy with great results in other countries
as well.
But as the contest is going to its end, there is a question about the
reviewing proccess. How should jury members pick the best photos?
Which software tools should they use? I'm even thinking about
developing a new one which would just retrieve photos via MWAPI and
then just give the jury members a choice out of hundreds of photos
(beforehand filtered to eliminate all low-quality, non-encyclopedic
stuff).
Looking through the mailing list archives, especially the Jury tools
thread, I haven't yet received an ultimate answer.
So, what is yours?
--
З павагай,
Павел Селіцкас/Paul Selitskas
Wizardist @ Wikimedia projects
p.selitskas@gmail.com, +375257408304
Skype: p.selitskas
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On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Bas vb basvb_wikipedia@live.nl wrote:
My answer would be: browse the categories and store the links (the prehistoric way) in wikiformat with 500px, so you can use the previewpage thing to watch them in a list on full scale together. This is the way I've done it the last 2 years, and a nice extra is that after the contest I could publish my lists with one click on the save button. See for example http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Basvb/100 and other subpages there. This way even years later you can look at the best pictures and nominate some for QI or FP if you want, or when you have the 11th article and want to use a picture other than one of the top 10 winners. So publishing a longlist for you country would be a real benefit.
Mvg,
Bas
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 18:25:42 +0200 From: itzik@infra.co.il To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Jury tools [2nd turn]
I hope tomorrow we can present the tool that we build and planning to use in Israel
- Sent from my mobile device
On Sep 29, 2012 5:44 PM, "Paul Selitskas" p.selitskas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys.
I'm in the very best way shocked by results of the almost finished Belarusian contest. That is more than 100 contestants with more than 5000 submissions! I'm very happy with great results in other countries as well.
But as the contest is going to its end, there is a question about the reviewing proccess. How should jury members pick the best photos? Which software tools should they use? I'm even thinking about developing a new one which would just retrieve photos via MWAPI and then just give the jury members a choice out of hundreds of photos (beforehand filtered to eliminate all low-quality, non-encyclopedic stuff).
Looking through the mailing list archives, especially the Jury tools thread, I haven't yet received an ultimate answer.
So, what is yours?
-- З павагай, Павел Селіцкас/Paul Selitskas Wizardist @ Wikimedia projects p.selitskas@gmail.com, +375257408304 Skype: p.selitskas
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That's a good way for just viewing a bunch of photos uploaded to get the average quality level of submissions. That's a quite acceptable way for Wikimedians in the jury.
That is definitely not in this world a good way of reviewing the photos for other jury members, who although can click a photo to set its rating mark or just discard the submission, they may be not computer geniuses (few photographers or heritage experts). Moreover, are we going to record the good photos and the bad ones down in a notebook?
It's a reasonably acceptable way of things to be, but I believe there is something a bit more easy to work with, like clicking "I approve this" or setting the mark and the thing is done. Anyway, thank you very much for the suggestion! Maybe it will be used as a Plan B, who knows... :)
And thank you, Itzik! I'm waiting further news from your team!
Well I didn't watch every picture and then think is this good enough or not. The first screening was in the category page, only the pictures which jumped out were clicked, then only those of good quality were selected, this way I managed to go from 12.000 to 500 in 3-4 hours, The reviewer used in the US is a good idea. But if you want to make it jury specific I would say show 20 pictures at a time and let people go fast throught the first selection. What are the links to the other options? Mvg, Bas
From: p.selitskas@gmail.com Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 19:54:39 +0300 To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Jury tools [2nd turn]
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Bas vb basvb_wikipedia@live.nl wrote:
My answer would be: browse the categories and store the links (the prehistoric way) in wikiformat with 500px, so you can use the previewpage thing to watch them in a list on full scale together. This is the way I've done it the last 2 years, and a nice extra is that after the contest I could publish my lists with one click on the save button. See for example http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Basvb/100 and other subpages there. This way even years later you can look at the best pictures and nominate some for QI or FP if you want, or when you have the 11th article and want to use a picture other than one of the top 10 winners. So publishing a longlist for you country would be a real benefit.
Mvg,
Bas
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 18:25:42 +0200 From: itzik@infra.co.il To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Jury tools [2nd turn]
I hope tomorrow we can present the tool that we build and planning to use in Israel
- Sent from my mobile device
On Sep 29, 2012 5:44 PM, "Paul Selitskas" p.selitskas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys.
I'm in the very best way shocked by results of the almost finished Belarusian contest. That is more than 100 contestants with more than 5000 submissions! I'm very happy with great results in other countries as well.
But as the contest is going to its end, there is a question about the reviewing proccess. How should jury members pick the best photos? Which software tools should they use? I'm even thinking about developing a new one which would just retrieve photos via MWAPI and then just give the jury members a choice out of hundreds of photos (beforehand filtered to eliminate all low-quality, non-encyclopedic stuff).
Looking through the mailing list archives, especially the Jury tools thread, I haven't yet received an ultimate answer.
So, what is yours?
-- З павагай, Павел Селіцкас/Paul Selitskas Wizardist @ Wikimedia projects p.selitskas@gmail.com, +375257408304 Skype: p.selitskas
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That's a good way for just viewing a bunch of photos uploaded to get the average quality level of submissions. That's a quite acceptable way for Wikimedians in the jury.
That is definitely not in this world a good way of reviewing the photos for other jury members, who although can click a photo to set its rating mark or just discard the submission, they may be not computer geniuses (few photographers or heritage experts). Moreover, are we going to record the good photos and the bad ones down in a notebook?
It's a reasonably acceptable way of things to be, but I believe there is something a bit more easy to work with, like clicking "I approve this" or setting the mark and the thing is done. Anyway, thank you very much for the suggestion! Maybe it will be used as a Plan B, who knows... :)
And thank you, Itzik! I'm waiting further news from your team!
-- Cheers, Павел Селіцкас/Paul Selitskas Wizardist @ Wikimedia projects p.selitskas@gmail.com, +375257408304 Skype: p.selitskas
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We do have a live version up but i believe Yan has a few things left he wants to add. I'll send out a second email with more details in a bit.
~Jason
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Bas vb basvb_wikipedia@live.nl wrote:
My answer would be: browse the categories and store the links (the prehistoric way) in wikiformat with 500px, so you can use the previewpage thing to watch them in a list on full scale together. This is the way I've done it the last 2 years, and a nice extra is that after the contest I could publish my lists with one click on the save button. See for example http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Basvb/100 and other subpages there. This way even years later you can look at the best pictures and nominate some for QI or FP if you want, or when you have the 11th article and want to use a picture other than one of the top 10 winners. So publishing a longlist for you country would be a real benefit.
Mvg,
Bas
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 18:25:42 +0200 From: itzik@infra.co.il To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Jury tools [2nd turn]
I hope tomorrow we can present the tool that we build and planning to use in Israel
- Sent from my mobile device
On Sep 29, 2012 5:44 PM, "Paul Selitskas" p.selitskas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys.
I'm in the very best way shocked by results of the almost finished Belarusian contest. That is more than 100 contestants with more than 5000 submissions! I'm very happy with great results in other countries as well.
But as the contest is going to its end, there is a question about the reviewing proccess. How should jury members pick the best photos? Which software tools should they use? I'm even thinking about developing a new one which would just retrieve photos via MWAPI and then just give the jury members a choice out of hundreds of photos (beforehand filtered to eliminate all low-quality, non-encyclopedic stuff).
Looking through the mailing list archives, especially the Jury tools thread, I haven't yet received an ultimate answer.
So, what is yours?
-- З павагай, Павел Селіцкас/Paul Selitskas Wizardist @ Wikimedia projects p.selitskas@gmail.com, +375257408304 Skype: p.selitskas
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We've been using this tool to narrow down the pool of total photos to something smaller. http://toolserver.org/~kaldari/reviewer/
Right now it has helped select about 2500 photos from the more than 15,000 in the U.S. After the contest is over, Kaldari is going to reset it to review the ~2500+- photos and get an even smaller number that a group of WikiProject:National Register of Historic Places volunteers are going to narrow even further to ~500 photos to give to the jury.
At least that is the plan today. Maybe with Itzik's cool new tool we will change the plan :)
-Matthew
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Jason Spriggs jason@jasonspriggs.comwrote:
We do have a live version up but i believe Yan has a few things left he wants to add. I'll send out a second email with more details in a bit.
~Jason
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Bas vb basvb_wikipedia@live.nl wrote:
My answer would be: browse the categories and store the links (the prehistoric way) in wikiformat with 500px, so you can use the previewpage thing to watch them in a list on full scale together. This is the way I've done it the last 2 years, and a nice extra is that after the contest I could publish my lists with one click on the save button. See for example http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Basvb/100 and other subpages there. This way even years later you can look at the best pictures and nominate some for QI or FP if you want, or when you have the 11th article and want to use a picture other than one of the top 10 winners. So publishing a longlist for you country would be a real benefit.
Mvg,
Bas
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 18:25:42 +0200 From: itzik@infra.co.il To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Jury tools [2nd turn]
I hope tomorrow we can present the tool that we build and planning to use in Israel
- Sent from my mobile device
On Sep 29, 2012 5:44 PM, "Paul Selitskas" p.selitskas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys.
I'm in the very best way shocked by results of the almost finished Belarusian contest. That is more than 100 contestants with more than 5000 submissions! I'm very happy with great results in other countries as well.
But as the contest is going to its end, there is a question about the reviewing proccess. How should jury members pick the best photos? Which software tools should they use? I'm even thinking about developing a new one which would just retrieve photos via MWAPI and then just give the jury members a choice out of hundreds of photos (beforehand filtered to eliminate all low-quality, non-encyclopedic stuff).
Looking through the mailing list archives, especially the Jury tools thread, I haven't yet received an ultimate answer.
So, what is yours?
-- З павагай, Павел Селіцкас/Paul Selitskas Wizardist @ Wikimedia projects p.selitskas@gmail.com, +375257408304 Skype: p.selitskas
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