What are the exact dates of competition in each country? Last year most European countries followed CEST local time (UTC+2), with some local variations. This year we will have more varied time zones. What will be the first country to have the UploadWizard enabled? It may be useful to have a table with all starting and closing dates. More so if it has to be checked by Guinness' agents. BTW, we have right now 43 files at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_Wiki_Loves_Monuments...
Vicenç
Hi Vicenç, I plan to turn on the UploadCampaigns and CentralNotice banners sequentially, country by country, on September 1 00:00 local time -- and turn them off exactly after a month's time.
The first country to start the contest will be the Philippines (at 16:00 UTC on August 31), then India at 18:30 UTC, then Belarus, Kenya, Russia, Ukraine at 21:00 UTC, then the countries of the European Union and South Africa at 22:00 UTC, etc. The last country to join the contest will be Israel, on September 13 21:00 UTC, and ending on October 14 21:00 UTC (because they follow the Hebrew calendar).
I agree it will be most useful to have such a table, and will prepare one on Commons soon -- thanks for the idea, it's appreciated ;-))
And as for the category, it indeed should be empty -- please feel free to remove all images that are categorised into this category or one of its subcategories.
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:38:27 +0200, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote:
Hi Vicenç, I plan to turn on the UploadCampaigns and CentralNotice banners sequentially, country by country, on September 1 00:00 local time -- and turn them off exactly after a month's time.
The first country to start the contest will be the Philippines (at 16:00 UTC on August 31), then India at 18:30 UTC, then Belarus, Kenya, Russia, Ukraine at 21:00 UTC, then the countries of the European Union and South Africa at 22:00 UTC, etc. The last country to join the contest will be Israel, on September 13 21:00 UTC, and ending on October 14 21:00 UTC (because they follow the Hebrew calendar).
I assume you mean that the countries with multiple time zones (like Russia, USA, and Canada) start when their earliest time becomes 0:00? Should they then end the contest when the latest local time becomes 0:00 (like Chukotka for Russia and Hawaii for the US)?
Cheers Yaroslav
In my opinion, that is up to those countries :) If Russia prefers to use a different time zone (to take the most painful country) that would be fine with me too. But yes, it would be good to have a good overview of this.
Maybe something to add as a table in the FAQ?
Lodewijk
2012/8/24 Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:38:27 +0200, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote:
Hi Vicenç, I plan to turn on the UploadCampaigns and CentralNotice banners sequentially, country by country, on September 1 00:00 local time -- and turn them off exactly after a month's time.
The first country to start the contest will be the Philippines (at 16:00 UTC on August 31), then India at 18:30 UTC, then Belarus, Kenya, Russia, Ukraine at 21:00 UTC, then the countries of the European Union and South Africa at 22:00 UTC, etc. The last country to join the contest will be Israel, on September 13 21:00 UTC, and ending on October 14 21:00 UTC (because they follow the Hebrew calendar).
I assume you mean that the countries with multiple time zones (like Russia, USA, and Canada) start when their earliest time becomes 0:00? Should they then end the contest when the latest local time becomes 0:00 (like Chukotka for Russia and Hawaii for the US)?
Cheers Yaroslav
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Hi Yaroslav, no, my original plan was to start the campaign when the mainland part of the countries you mentioned (especially the US and France) start the competition.
The problem we have with Russia is that the scope of the project is not yet known to us, so I planned to run the UploadCampaign and the CentralNotice banners on September 1 00:00 local time in Saint Petersburg. I also planned to end the campaign in Canada and the US on October 1 00:00 PDT (Pacific Daylight Time), but if there are some good reasons not to do that, I'm open to hear them :-))
Thanks
Hi Tomasz,
if every country chooses one time zone, for Russia it would be indeed logical to have Moscow time (which is the same as Saint Petersburg time), and they are one hour ahead of Ukraine and Belarus. (Kaliningrad time would be the same as Ukraine). I do not know how it would work with the US and with Canada, where there is no one preferred zone, but I completely agree with Lodewijk that it is up to them to decide - just at any location the beginning time should be the same as the closing time.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:53:28 +0200, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote:
Hi Yaroslav, no, my original plan was to start the campaign when the mainland part of the countries you mentioned (especially the US and France) start the competition.
The problem we have with Russia is that the scope of the project is not yet known to us, so I planned to run the UploadCampaign and the CentralNotice banners on September 1 00:00 local time in Saint Petersburg. I also planned to end the campaign in Canada and the US on October 1 00:00 PDT (Pacific Daylight Time), but if there are some good reasons not to do that, I'm open to hear them :-))
Thanks
Hi Yaroslav,
Just for the record: I would also be happy if they would choose a different opening and closing timezone. Also that is up to the country imho. I'll leave setting the default to Tomasz though ;)
Lodewijk
2012/8/24 Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru
Hi Tomasz,
if every country chooses one time zone, for Russia it would be indeed logical to have Moscow time (which is the same as Saint Petersburg time), and they are one hour ahead of Ukraine and Belarus. (Kaliningrad time would be the same as Ukraine). I do not know how it would work with the US and with Canada, where there is no one preferred zone, but I completely agree with Lodewijk that it is up to them to decide - just at any location the beginning time should be the same as the closing time.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:53:28 +0200, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote:
Hi Yaroslav, no, my original plan was to start the campaign when the mainland part of the countries you mentioned (especially the US and France) start the competition.
The problem we have with Russia is that the scope of the project is not yet known to us, so I planned to run the UploadCampaign and the CentralNotice banners on September 1 00:00 local time in Saint Petersburg. I also planned to end the campaign in Canada and the US on October 1 00:00 PDT (Pacific Daylight Time), but if there are some good reasons not to do that, I'm open to hear them :-))
Thanks
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Yaroslav, there hasn't been to much discussion about this topic, so I went ahead and suggested my plan to you ;-)) But obviously it would be nice for the countries to decide by themselves when they want to turn on the UploadCampaigns and CentralNotice banners (though it will have to be communicated to us beforehand, as there aren't so many active Meta admins here).
I would disagree about having the same time for starting and closing the contest. Our goal is to have as many pictures as possible -- in order to get as many new editors as possible -- and human beings have this strange habit of doing things at the latest possible moment. We've seen it last year, when -- as Romaine wrote in another thread recently -- about 25% of the total number of uploads came in on the last day.
It would be a great loss if we disabled the campaign on, say, October 1 00:00 Eastern Daylight Time (this is the timezone for the US states of Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and the Canadian provinces of Ontario and Quebec), when there could be plenty of people from the other US timezones wanting to upload pictures /at the latest possible time/.
Adding some three or so hours for people to use in order to be "fair" to the other countries is not really a big deal, but there is potentially much to loose (in number of pictures that wouldn't make it to the contest).
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:12:54 +0200, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote:
Yaroslav, It would be a great loss if we disabled the campaign on, say, October 1 00:00 Eastern Daylight Time (this is the timezone for the US states of Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and the Canadian provinces of Ontario and Quebec), when there could be plenty of people from the other US timezones wanting to upload pictures /at the latest possible time/.
Hi Tomasz,
no, my idea was that for instance Massachusetts would start and end at 00:00 EST, and California would start and end at 00:00 PST. But then it might be a bit tricky to trace post-deadline pictures. Let the countries with multiple time zones (we have Russia, the US, Canada, France, and the Netherlands, right? nobody else?) decide whether they want to go into the trouble of searching these post-deadline pictures. I would be also fine if the whole US starts at 00:00 EST and ends at 00:00 Hawaii time, though this might be a bit unfair with respect to single-zone countries.
Cheers Yaroslav
Hi Yaroslav, the problem we face here is that there are no technical means to use this scheme.
Firstly, there is only one UploadCampaign for the US (same for Canada, the Netherlands, and Russia) - and secondly, the current CentralNotice and GeoNotice systems do not (truly) enable us to set up different campaigns for respective administrative divisions of a country (in this case, mainly the US and Canada).
And just like you wrote, it would be a nightmare to track post-deadlines pictures: how would you tell if a user uploaded a picture from California or from New York? What would matter: the location of the object (based on geo-coordinates and GPS data, for example) or the real-life location of the user at the time of upload? ;-))
I believe that besides the countries you mentioned - Canada, France, the Netherlands, Russia and the US - also Mexico uses different time zones. (Any countries I missed?) I would love to hear from people from those countries what they think as to what should be done here.
In our case, Chile has two different time zones (Continental and Easter Island, with 2 hours of difference). Of course, 99,9% of the population is concentrated in one time zone, but we decided in order to avoid any problem, to put in the bylaws of the contest that we are going to use the Continental time zone (UTC-4 at the beggining, UTC-3 at the end of the contest) just to be sure.
2012/8/24 Tomasz W. Kozłowski odder.wiki@gmail.com
Hi Yaroslav, the problem we face here is that there are no technical means to use this scheme.
Firstly, there is only one UploadCampaign for the US (same for Canada, the Netherlands, and Russia) - and secondly, the current CentralNotice and GeoNotice systems do not (truly) enable us to set up different campaigns for respective administrative divisions of a country (in this case, mainly the US and Canada).
And just like you wrote, it would be a nightmare to track post-deadlines pictures: how would you tell if a user uploaded a picture from California or from New York? What would matter: the location of the object (based on geo-coordinates and GPS data, for example) or the real-life location of the user at the time of upload? ;-))
I believe that besides the countries you mentioned - Canada, France, the Netherlands, Russia and the US - also Mexico uses different time zones. (Any countries I missed?) I would love to hear from people from those countries what they think as to what should be done here.
-- Tomasz W. Kozłowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]]
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On 24 August 2012 14:57, Osmar Valdebenito wrote:
In our case, Chile has two different time zones (Continental and Easter Island, with 2 hours of difference). Of course, 99,9% of the population is concentrated in one time zone, but we decided in order to avoid any problem, to put in the bylaws of the contest that we are going to use the Continental time zone (UTC-4 at the beggining, UTC-3 at the end of the contest) just to be sure.
Hey Osmar - could you please clarify why you decided to change the time zone? Wikipedia tells me (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Chile) that in September, the continental Chile is using CLT, Chile Standard Time, which is UTC-4:00. With the solution you wrote about, you'll losing one precious hour! :-)
Thanks, Tomasz
Our brilliant government moved the start of DST to September 2nd this year. So, we will all lose one precious time in our lives... well, not all since now I'm living in Argentina :P
2012/8/24 Tomasz W. Kozłowski odder.wiki@gmail.com
On 24 August 2012 14:57, Osmar Valdebenito wrote:
In our case, Chile has two different time zones (Continental and Easter Island, with 2 hours of difference). Of course, 99,9% of the population
is
concentrated in one time zone, but we decided in order to avoid any
problem,
to put in the bylaws of the contest that we are going to use the
Continental
time zone (UTC-4 at the beggining, UTC-3 at the end of the contest) just
to
be sure.
Hey Osmar - could you please clarify why you decided to change the time zone? Wikipedia tells me (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Chile) that in September, the continental Chile is using CLT, Chile Standard Time, which is UTC-4:00. With the solution you wrote about, you'll losing one precious hour! :-)
Thanks, Tomasz
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Time zones for the Netherlands wont be a problem. As far as I know the monuments are all based in the main land not in the island overseas. Besides that in all countries people from all over the world can participate. Mvg, Bas
From: odder.wiki@gmail.com Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:44:29 +0200 To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] September per time zones
Hi Yaroslav, the problem we face here is that there are no technical means to use this scheme.
Firstly, there is only one UploadCampaign for the US (same for Canada, the Netherlands, and Russia) - and secondly, the current CentralNotice and GeoNotice systems do not (truly) enable us to set up different campaigns for respective administrative divisions of a country (in this case, mainly the US and Canada).
And just like you wrote, it would be a nightmare to track post-deadlines pictures: how would you tell if a user uploaded a picture from California or from New York? What would matter: the location of the object (based on geo-coordinates and GPS data, for example) or the real-life location of the user at the time of upload? ;-))
I believe that besides the countries you mentioned - Canada, France, the Netherlands, Russia and the US - also Mexico uses different time zones. (Any countries I missed?) I would love to hear from people from those countries what they think as to what should be done here.
-- Tomasz W. Kozłowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]]
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On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 01:38:27PM +0200, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote:
Hi Vicenç, I plan to turn on the UploadCampaigns and CentralNotice banners sequentially, country by country, on September 1 00:00 local time -- and turn them off exactly after a month's time.
Hi Tomasz,
One comment, as last year we should not disable the upload campaigns, we should modify them to not include the WLM template, and only the template with the monument id, after october 1, as we do want people to keep uploading pictures, they only won't participate anymore. We probably also want to put a text somewhere that WLM is over.
It is probably wise to make a checklist what exactly needs to be done that day, I remember from last year it was a bit messy and ad-hoc.
Regards,
Andre
Hi Andre, thanks for the suggestions; I'll make sure to have the checklist at the ready, and also to include the information about not disabling the campaigns and changing the banners in due time.
Thanks again, your help is appreciated!
On 24/08/12 13:38, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote:
I agree it will be most useful to have such a table, and will prepare one on Commons soon -- thanks for the idea, it's appreciated ;-))
I had in mind creating this thread and asking about creating such table. I'm glad others decided to open it, too.
For WLM-ES we decided to put the contest datetimes as 2012-08-31T22:00:00 UTC to 2012-08-31T22:59:59 UTC, which is the union of September in the two timezones used in Spain.
Best regards
I think you meen opening at 2012-08-31T22:00:00 UTC (CEST time zone UTC+2) and closing at 2012-09-30T22:59:59 UTC (Canary Islands time zone UTC+1). Right?
Vicenç
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:31:55 +0200 From: platonides@gmail.com To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] September per time zones
On 24/08/12 13:38, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote:
For WLM-ES we decided to put the contest datetimes as 2012-08-31T22:00:00 UTC to 2012-08-31T22:59:59 UTC, which is the union of September in the two timezones used in Spain.
Best regards
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El 24/08/12 15:41, Vicenç Riullop escribió:
I think you meen opening at 2012-08-31T22:00:00 UTC (CEST time zone UTC+2) and closing at 2012-09-30T22:59:59 UTC (Canary Islands time zone UTC+1). Right?
Vicenç
Yes, of course. It's in *September*. The duration of the contest is 30 days + 1 hour, not 1 hour!
Thanks for noticing.
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