Hi all,
This small mail to proudly announce the first press release for the Wiki loves monuments contest in Switzerland available in German ( http://www.gsk.ch/de/%C2%ABwiki-loves-monuments-2011-der-schweiz%C2%BB-31-ma...) and French ( http://www.gsk.ch/fr/%C2%ABwiki-loves-monuments-2011-en-suisse%C2%BB-31-mai-...).
This announcement will be published in several professional revues of architecture, art and history between June and August and has been issued by the GSK, one of our main partner for this contest.
Nico
Hi Nico,
wonderful to hear! Thanks for keeping us up to date.
Looking forward to great results,
Lodewijk
Am 2. Juni 2011 21:57:53 UTC+2 schrieb Manoillon manoillon@gmail.com:
Hi all,
This small mail to proudly announce the first press release for the Wiki loves monuments contest in Switzerland available in German ( http://www.gsk.ch/de/%C2%ABwiki-loves-monuments-2011-der-schweiz%C2%BB-31-ma...) and French ( http://www.gsk.ch/fr/%C2%ABwiki-loves-monuments-2011-en-suisse%C2%BB-31-mai-...).
This announcement will be published in several professional revues of architecture, art and history between June and August and has been issued by the GSK, one of our main partner for this contest.
Nico _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Hi Nico,
Some remarks: * The press release states that the competition runs from Juli to September. The decision in Berlin was pretty clear: The competition runs in September. Why are you doing this differently? * You're talking about a national competition, but Wiki Loves Monuments is an international competition all throughout Europe. * Why do people need to register at http://www.wikilovesmonuments.ch/login.php ? That's one of the things we decided (at the Berlin meeting) *not* to do.
Maarten
Op 3-6-2011 22:03, effe iets anders schreef:
Hi Nico,
wonderful to hear! Thanks for keeping us up to date.
Looking forward to great results,
Lodewijk
Am 2. Juni 2011 21:57:53 UTC+2 schrieb Manoillon <manoillon@gmail.com mailto:manoillon@gmail.com>:
Hi all, This small mail to proudly announce the first press release for the Wiki loves monuments contest in Switzerland available in German (http://www.gsk.ch/de/%C2%ABwiki-loves-monuments-2011-der-schweiz%C2%BB-31-mai-2011.html) and French (http://www.gsk.ch/fr/%C2%ABwiki-loves-monuments-2011-en-suisse%C2%BB-31-mai-2011.html). This announcement will be published in several professional revues of architecture, art and history between June and August and has been issued by the GSK, one of our main partner for this contest. Nico _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
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On 04.06.2011 11:59, Maarten Dammers wrote:
Hi Nico,
Some remarks:
- The press release states that the competition runs from Juli to
September. The decision in Berlin was pretty clear: The competition runs in September. Why are you doing this differently?
- You're talking about a national competition, but Wiki Loves
Monuments is an international competition all throughout Europe.
- Why do people need to register at
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.ch/login.php ? That's one of the things we decided (at the Berlin meeting) *not* to do.
Maarten
Dear Maarten, I will give to Nico the possibility to reply to other points. I have only one concern.
If the event is limited only to the month of September, this would be not helpful for Switzerland because the weather is not good to take some external pictures, most of all for mountains or valleys.
In addition we are moving earlier to find collaborations and media coverage.
In my opinion there should be no problem to give more freedom to all countries in order to study the better solution for their own environment.
To limit the event to the month of September will reduce a lot our participation as the persons will be concentrated in other thinks.
In my opinion the months of July and August are the best for Switzerland.
We may found a solution that can match all requirements? For example that the photos can be taken from July to September but charged in Commons only in September?
It seems to me a good solution, because the persons can spent all time to take photos during the Summer and after to be concentrated in all other work during September (selection of photos, upload, and so on).
Ilario
P.S. If I remember well Nico has already sent a request some weeks ago, before the meeting in Berlin, asking to give to the Switzerland the possibility to move earlier in this event, and I have seen no opposition
Hi Ilario
Op 4-6-2011 14:40, Ilario Valdelli schreef:
On 04.06.2011 11:59, Maarten Dammers wrote:
Hi Nico,
Some remarks:
- The press release states that the competition runs from Juli to
September. The decision in Berlin was pretty clear: The competition runs in September. Why are you doing this differently?
- You're talking about a national competition, but Wiki Loves
Monuments is an international competition all throughout Europe.
- Why do people need to register at
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.ch/login.php ? That's one of the things we decided (at the Berlin meeting) *not* to do.
Maarten
Dear Maarten, I will give to Nico the possibility to reply to other points. I have only one concern.
If the event is limited only to the month of September, this would be not helpful for Switzerland because the weather is not good to take some external pictures, most of all for mountains or valleys.
In addition we are moving earlier to find collaborations and media coverage.
In my opinion there should be no problem to give more freedom to all countries in order to study the better solution for their own environment.
To limit the event to the month of September will reduce a lot our participation as the persons will be concentrated in other thinks.
In my opinion the months of July and August are the best for Switzerland.
We may found a solution that can match all requirements? For example that the photos can be taken from July to September but charged in Commons only in September?
It seems to me a good solution, because the persons can spent all time to take photos during the Summer and after to be concentrated in all other work during September (selection of photos, upload, and so on).
Did you notice https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monum... ? In short: We don't care when you took the photo, we just want you to upload them in September 2011. So having people taking pictures all throughout the summer is something that fits in great with the whole concept :-)
Ilario
P.S. If I remember well Nico has already sent a request some weeks ago, before the meeting in Berlin, asking to give to the Switzerland the possibility to move earlier in this event, and I have seen no opposition
And it ended up on the list of things to discus in Berlin. The reason to focus on one month and not three months is that we have to keep attention on it. For a month that's already a bit of a challenge, for three months it's impossible. We're all slowly building up attention for the project and this should peak in September 2011.
Is this something you guys can work with?
Maarten
On 04.06.2011 14:57, Maarten Dammers wrote:
And it ended up on the list of things to discus in Berlin. The reason to focus on one month and not three months is that we have to keep attention on it. For a month that's already a bit of a challenge, for three months it's impossible. We're all slowly building up attention for the project and this should peak in September 2011.
Is this something you guys can work with?
Maarten
Ok, I don't see any big problem to coordinate what we are doing now with the event scheduled for September in all countries.
Ilario
Dear friends in Switzerland,
I now had a look on your website for the WLM competition, and I must say that I am very impressed! Especially that map with the cantons looks great, and will contribute a lot to the fun.
About the unification of WLM Europe, I basically agree with the arguments brought up by Maarten. On the other hand I understand the problems with taking photographs in a mountain country in September (something the Dutch may not be aware of :-)). Indeed, it might be difficult to explain to people that they are called to take photographs in July-September but can only participate the competition when they are uploaded in September. It is ideal, btw, to upload them immediately after the photographing, because then you still now well where you took which photograph (which building).
Below a list with some ideas about your website and the text in German; some items are possibly interesting also for other countries.
Kind regards, and Hop Schwiz! Ziko
- On the map, Luzern is Loucerne? - try to stick with the expressions we already use at Commons and elsewhere: it is called on the homepage "Sammlung von... Medien", or Mediensammlung, not Mediathek. - on the wikimedia wikis we say "Benutzerkonto" and not "Account", that's Wikipedian's jargon :-) - Btw, I find it very very good to tell the people from the beginng that they should register and turn in an e-mail address. We miss a lot of opportunities for communication otherwise. - "Auf diese Mediathek können sich alle Wikis der ganzen Erde beziehen" - well, really all wikis? :-) They can, but I woudn't put it this way. - Ordinary people (90% of the population) won't go to IRC, forget it - when people have questions about the contest, you really want them to ask the Federal Office of the environment? In any case, you must definitely provide an e-mail address (not only the webmaster's under "Contact") - I found the description of the uploading process complicated, but it will certainly be changed - "Anmelden/Registrieren": stick with it, not "Login" - I found sometimes "Wiki Commons", this is confusing to newbies. Use always and everywhere "Wikimedia Commons", also not "Commons" (there is also a Creative Commons, you know). I would try anyway to describe things without the term "wiki"; while I am already nagging, I never found "Wiki loves monuments" a good title :-) - I am very happy that you don't have moving elements on your website, please keep it that way!
2011/6/4 Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com:
On 04.06.2011 14:57, Maarten Dammers wrote:
And it ended up on the list of things to discus in Berlin. The reason to focus on one month and not three months is that we have to keep attention on it. For a month that's already a bit of a challenge, for three months it's impossible. We're all slowly building up attention for the project and this should peak in September 2011.
Is this something you guys can work with?
Maarten
Ok, I don't see any big problem to coordinate what we are doing now with the event scheduled for September in all countries.
Ilario
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Hi Illario,
thanks for the explanation. First of all, this has indeed been discussed before, and there was definitely some disagreement. In Berlin we discussed this at some length weighing all the options and arguments where we came to the conclusion that it would be best if all countries would stick to the same dates. Please note that these are /upload/ dates, not necessarily the dates they make the photo.
It would be really helpful if we don't revisit all the agreements we had in Berlin (which were sent around on this list as well and met no further opposition), at least not on major issues. Starting earlier has big complications for all participants because: 1) it would make communication much more complicated 2) the upload facilities should be in place within 2 weeks compared to in 2 months 3) spreading over 3 months means less focus, less attention 4) we would come across as a loose set of groups instead of a good
The solution you mention is something we already arrived at in Berlin actually, so I hope that would work indeed. We agreed that the basic principle would be the upload date - it would not matter when the image was photographed. If they upload images of 30 years ago in the snow that is very welcome. Of course the restrictions self made etc still apply. Please keep in mind that if you extensively communicate that in Switzerland (but that is your responsibility, so just advice from me) and invite people to make the photos before, they would have to keep them, and will likely forget and loose attention too. A month is just enough span to catch.
I would like to encourage you to read through the results of the meeting once again to make sure that we don't have another point we actually have disagreement on - i would rather find that out sooner than later.
Best,
Lodewijk
2011/6/4 Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com
On 04.06.2011 11:59, Maarten Dammers wrote:
Hi Nico,
Some remarks:
- The press release states that the competition runs from Juli to
September. The decision in Berlin was pretty clear: The competition runs in September. Why are you doing this differently?
- You're talking about a national competition, but Wiki Loves Monuments is
an international competition all throughout Europe.
- Why do people need to register at
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.ch/login.php ? That's one of the things we decided (at the Berlin meeting) *not* to do.
Maarten
Dear Maarten, I will give to Nico the possibility to reply to other points. I have only one concern.
If the event is limited only to the month of September, this would be not helpful for Switzerland because the weather is not good to take some external pictures, most of all for mountains or valleys.
In addition we are moving earlier to find collaborations and media coverage.
In my opinion there should be no problem to give more freedom to all countries in order to study the better solution for their own environment.
To limit the event to the month of September will reduce a lot our participation as the persons will be concentrated in other thinks.
In my opinion the months of July and August are the best for Switzerland.
We may found a solution that can match all requirements? For example that the photos can be taken from July to September but charged in Commons only in September?
It seems to me a good solution, because the persons can spent all time to take photos during the Summer and after to be concentrated in all other work during September (selection of photos, upload, and so on).
Ilario
P.S. If I remember well Nico has already sent a request some weeks ago, before the meeting in Berlin, asking to give to the Switzerland the possibility to move earlier in this event, and I have seen no opposition
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