thanks for the explanation. First of all, this has indeed been discussed before, and there was definitely some disagreement. In Berlin we discussed this at some length weighing all the options and arguments where we came to the conclusion that it would be best if all countries would stick to the same dates. Please note that these are /upload/ dates, not necessarily the dates they make the photo.

It would be really helpful if we don't revisit all the agreements we had in Berlin (which were sent around on this list as well and met no further opposition), at least not on major issues. Starting earlier has big complications for all participants because:

1) it would make communication much more complicated

2) the upload facilities should be in place within 2 weeks compared to in 2 months

3) spreading over 3 months means less focus, less attention

4) we would come across as a loose set of groups instead of a good

The solution you mention is something we already arrived at in Berlin actually, so I hope that would work indeed. We agreed that the basic principle would be the upload date - it would not matter when the image was photographed. If they upload images of 30 years ago in the snow that is very welcome. Of course the restrictions self made etc still apply. Please keep in mind that if you extensively communicate that in Switzerland (but that is your responsibility, so just advice from me) and invite people to make the photos before, they would have to keep them, and will likely forget and loose attention too. A month is just enough span to catch.

I would like to encourage you to read through the results of the meeting once again to make sure that we don't have another point we actually have disagreement on - i would rather find that out sooner than later.

Lodewijk

2011/6/4 Ilario Valdelli <valdelli@gmail.com>

On 04.06.2011 11:59, Maarten Dammers wrote:
Hi Nico,

Some remarks:
* The press release states that the competition runs from Juli to September. The decision in Berlin was pretty clear: The competition runs in September. Why are you doing this differently?
* You're talking about a national competition, but Wiki Loves Monuments is an international competition all throughout Europe.
* Why do people need to register at http://www.wikilovesmonuments.ch/login.php ? That's one of the things we decided (at the Berlin meeting) *not* to do.

Maarten

Dear Maarten,
I will give to Nico the possibility to reply to other points. I have only one concern.

If the event is limited only to the month of September, this would be not helpful for Switzerland because the weather is not good to take some external pictures, most of all for mountains or valleys.

In addition we are moving earlier to find collaborations and media coverage.

In my opinion there should be no problem to give more freedom to all countries in order to study the better solution for their own environment.

To limit the event to the month of September will reduce a lot our participation as the persons will be concentrated in other thinks.

In my opinion the months of July and August are the best for Switzerland.

We may found a solution that can match all requirements? For example that the photos can be taken from July to September but charged in Commons only in September?

It seems to me a good solution, because the persons can spent all time to take photos during the Summer and after to be concentrated in all other work during September (selection of photos, upload, and so on).

Ilario

P.S. If I remember well Nico has already sent a request some weeks ago, before the meeting in Berlin, asking to give to the Switzerland the possibility to move earlier in this event, and I have seen no opposition

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