Hi Nina,
for your local contest, you should get as creative as you like! In the Netherlands we had for example a quantity classification too, and I think in other countries they had different categories (i.e. Russia). Every country will have different needs, and I would encourage you to suit those needs as much as possible. At the same time, this kind of things probably is best decided a little later in the year, but it is always good to think it over a bit.
For the international contest, we should probably set the criteria definitely at a later stage - they depend on which countries are participating, what classifications can be set everywhere and how much manpower we have. Personally I would like to keep the international contest Simple - just quality of the single picture. That is for sure something that is easy to explain to everyone, and doesn't require complicated rules and jury criteria. But lets see about that in May or June when we have a better picture of what the contest will look like.
Best,
Lodewijk
No dia 16 de Janeiro de 2012 23:30, Nina Wikipedia <nina.wikipedia@gmail.com
escreveu:
I have been thinking a lot, and it will be very useful to have sets of pictures who describe monuments. When we loose something in fire etc. those pictures are gold. Can we have a part of wlm this way?
Nina Sendt fra min iPad
Den 16. jan. 2012 kl. 22:58 skrev Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
Hi all,
I guess it is time for a small update! Some work has been done already, but mainly behind the screens and as a follow up of what was discussed in Amsterdam in December. You can find already some start of documentation on what Wiki Loves Monuments is/will be like on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Document... (some things to be decided) and you will find an initial timeline for the international organization on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline (thank you Tomasz!). An advised timeline for local organizing will follow at the same page, but it might be helpful to just scroll through it and appreciate the work ahead :)
If you want to get started with organizing Wiki Loves Monuments in your country, please don't hesitate to start making preperations! September 2012 is closer than you think. Past experiences teach that especially getting the infrastructure on the wiki (including getting the official lists) is the most time consuming task which has to happen ahead of time. For now, please add your country to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012 if you didn't do so yet.
I am also happy to be able to say that four volunteers with a lot of 2011 experience have been found to form a core coordination team for 2012 - Maarten (Multichill), Elke (Elya), Tomasz (Odder) and myself will be trying to coordinate efforts. Of course the main workload will still lay with the national teams and also internationally any help will be appreciated. We will do extra our best to create good documentation and I hope that you all will ask your questions here and on the wiki in a timely manner - that way we can avoid last minute discussions, misunderstanding and other issues. Communication is always a challange, so I hope you will help with that.
Also, the board of Wikimedia Nederland has indicated to be willing to be the budget holder for WLM 2012, and be the official organizer for the international contest - you shouldn't notice a lot of that as long as things go well, but we simply need an organization to be able to sign off on things (such as a world record attempt ;-) ). If there are no major objections, I'll ask the WMNL board to make that official soon. Also, we're trying to find the best way possible to ensure there is a good communication and task management on an international level. Last year we found in the evaluation that this was a bottle neck which caused several other things to go imperfect, so we're trying to find a way to give some professional support to the international coordination - that way we can make sure holes are being filled and there is a backbone present. I hope that will help make things run more smoothly that way.
I hope that 2012 will be an even greater contest - seeing all the interested countries from over the world I am both enthusiastic and a little intimidated - I hope we can set off a wonderful international event.
With kind regards,
Lodewijk
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I don't like the winners in 2011. They are nice pictures, but they tell little about the monuments. I want institutions to use the pictures and to give pictures to commons. If we have something unik that will be easier to do. I am in the moment talking to 2 parts about cooperation in GLAM-work and want usefull pictures not only the nice ones. As trained in building-protection I see a great opertunity to have pictures documenting monuments in many countries and want people to think about this in 2012.
Nina Sendt fra min iPad
Den 16. jan. 2012 kl. 23:38 skrev Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
Hi Nina,
for your local contest, you should get as creative as you like! In the Netherlands we had for example a quantity classification too, and I think in other countries they had different categories (i.e. Russia). Every country will have different needs, and I would encourage you to suit those needs as much as possible. At the same time, this kind of things probably is best decided a little later in the year, but it is always good to think it over a bit.
For the international contest, we should probably set the criteria definitely at a later stage - they depend on which countries are participating, what classifications can be set everywhere and how much manpower we have. Personally I would like to keep the international contest Simple - just quality of the single picture. That is for sure something that is easy to explain to everyone, and doesn't require complicated rules and jury criteria. But lets see about that in May or June when we have a better picture of what the contest will look like.
Best,
Lodewijk
No dia 16 de Janeiro de 2012 23:30, Nina Wikipedia nina.wikipedia@gmail.com escreveu: I have been thinking a lot, and it will be very useful to have sets of pictures who describe monuments. When we loose something in fire etc. those pictures are gold. Can we have a part of wlm this way?
Nina Sendt fra min iPad
Den 16. jan. 2012 kl. 22:58 skrev Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
Hi all,
I guess it is time for a small update! Some work has been done already, but mainly behind the screens and as a follow up of what was discussed in Amsterdam in December. You can find already some start of documentation on what Wiki Loves Monuments is/will be like on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Document... (some things to be decided) and you will find an initial timeline for the international organization on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline (thank you Tomasz!). An advised timeline for local organizing will follow at the same page, but it might be helpful to just scroll through it and appreciate the work ahead :)
If you want to get started with organizing Wiki Loves Monuments in your country, please don't hesitate to start making preperations! September 2012 is closer than you think. Past experiences teach that especially getting the infrastructure on the wiki (including getting the official lists) is the most time consuming task which has to happen ahead of time. For now, please add your country to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012 if you didn't do so yet.
I am also happy to be able to say that four volunteers with a lot of 2011 experience have been found to form a core coordination team for 2012 - Maarten (Multichill), Elke (Elya), Tomasz (Odder) and myself will be trying to coordinate efforts. Of course the main workload will still lay with the national teams and also internationally any help will be appreciated. We will do extra our best to create good documentation and I hope that you all will ask your questions here and on the wiki in a timely manner - that way we can avoid last minute discussions, misunderstanding and other issues. Communication is always a challange, so I hope you will help with that.
Also, the board of Wikimedia Nederland has indicated to be willing to be the budget holder for WLM 2012, and be the official organizer for the international contest - you shouldn't notice a lot of that as long as things go well, but we simply need an organization to be able to sign off on things (such as a world record attempt ;-) ). If there are no major objections, I'll ask the WMNL board to make that official soon. Also, we're trying to find the best way possible to ensure there is a good communication and task management on an international level. Last year we found in the evaluation that this was a bottle neck which caused several other things to go imperfect, so we're trying to find a way to give some professional support to the international coordination - that way we can make sure holes are being filled and there is a backbone present. I hope that will help make things run more smoothly that way.
I hope that 2012 will be an even greater contest - seeing all the interested countries from over the world I am both enthusiastic and a little intimidated - I hope we can set off a wonderful international event.
With kind regards,
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2012/1/16 Nina Wikipedia nina.wikipedia@gmail.com:
I don't like the winners in 2011. They are nice pictures, but they tell little about the monuments. I want institutions to use the pictures and to give pictures to commons. If we have something unik that will be easier to do. I am in the moment talking to 2 parts about cooperation in GLAM-work and want usefull pictures not only the nice ones. As trained in building-protection I see a great opertunity to have pictures documenting monuments in many countries and want people to think about this in 2012.
Indeed, as I am generally against forsing anything on local juries - I would seriously reconsider the way that interational jury will work. IMHO 2011 international jury was mainly focused on "wow factor" and not enough on the documentary usefullnes and technical quality of the picture. I would suggest to do in 2012 in such a way: a) local juries choose pictures for international nomination as they wish b) picture nominated must go normal judgement for quality pictures on Commons and only those which get the quality picture status can be considered by jury http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Quality_images_candidates c) international jury chooses winners from the b) set of pictures - not from a)
It should be announced before contest, so there will be up to local juries if they are about to send pictures to b) before their nomination or just take a risk and let do it international jury.
I think that the three judging criteria are perfect: 1. Technical quality 2. Artistic quality 3. Documentary usefullness
All the problem is how to balance them. It depends on the jury composition. We have identified three potential groups of jury members: * Professional photographers * Heritage managers * Wikimedians
A professional photographer will focus on artistic quality provided that there is a minimum standard technical quality. Heritage managers and Wikimedians will focus on second and thirth criteria. The composition of such jury favors the wow factor. Quality images on Commons are only judged by technical quality and not by other subjective criteria contrary to what is common in photo contests. I think this explains the different assessments that have occured. Forming a jury is not easy, and make it balanced according to the desired judging criteria it is even more difficult. More involvement of users from Commons may be useful to balance the criteria.
Vicenç
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:09:14 +0100 From: polimerek@gmail.com To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] judging criteria
2012/1/16 Nina Wikipedia nina.wikipedia@gmail.com:
I don't like the winners in 2011. They are nice pictures, but they tell little about the monuments. I want institutions to use the pictures and to give pictures to commons. If we have something unik that will be easier to do. I am in the moment talking to 2 parts about cooperation in GLAM-work and want usefull pictures not only the nice ones. As trained in building-protection I see a great opertunity to have pictures documenting monuments in many countries and want people to think about this in 2012.
Indeed, as I am generally against forsing anything on local juries - I would seriously reconsider the way that interational jury will work. IMHO 2011 international jury was mainly focused on "wow factor" and not enough on the documentary usefullnes and technical quality of the picture. I would suggest to do in 2012 in such a way: a) local juries choose pictures for international nomination as they wish b) picture nominated must go normal judgement for quality pictures on Commons and only those which get the quality picture status can be considered by jury http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Quality_images_candidates c) international jury chooses winners from the b) set of pictures - not from a)
It should be announced before contest, so there will be up to local juries if they are about to send pictures to b) before their nomination or just take a risk and let do it international jury.
-- Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29&title=tomasz-ganicz
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On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
for your local contest, you should get as creative as you like! In the Netherlands we had for example a quantity classification too, and I think in other countries they had different categories (i.e. Russia).
In Russia we used categories for improving the participation. I wanted to motivate users to make photo if they have only amateur eqipment ('Best amateur photo'), I wanted to motivate to add many photos (so it was categories for 'Most representative photo series of a monument' and 'All buildings from one complex'), I wanted to attract the community attention (we have about 90% of newbies, but haven't many interest from the existing users; that's why 'Community Pick Award' was useful) and attracted to partners (Nomination by “Living city” and Nomination by committee of “Running City”).
And I may say that it's working, but it was hard for jury - to work with it.
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