Hi,
Before the contest there were talks about some calendars. What is the final word on that? What is the price, will we have some "subsidized" ones and when will they be ready?
Thanks, Strainu
Hello,
thanks Strainu for putting up that issue.
thanks to a printing house in Germany "die Umweltdruckerei" we will have 500 A4 calendars to share among the winners of the competition as free copies. 15 calendars will be send to each participating country on the behalf and costs of the WLM international team. Further calendars can be ordered. The net prize is 2,95€ incl. the package, but yet tax and shipping will be extra. There are some chapters that showed interest in ordering like 100 extra copies to distribute them among partners of the contest. WLM Germany is considering to send out one calendar per participant that opted for that to better get in touch with new comers to Wikimedia Commons.
The calendars will be ready for shipping - that is the plan - at the 8th of december. All ordering and shipping will be done through the printing house. It would be a great help if you would let me know, if you like to order more than the 15 free copies, and if so how many. The shipping address of each participating country will be the same as for the notebooks from Lettera27. If not please let me know.
The calendar will be rather puristic. The image as bis as possible and only numbers as calendar reference. No mark for sundays, or fridays or saturdays to keep it neutral for every culture. As soon as the design is set, we will upload it at WMcommons.
Thanks for contributing
Barbara Fischer Kuratorin für Kulturpartnerschaften
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | NEU: Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
2012/9/21 Strainu strainu10@gmail.com
Hi,
Before the contest there were talks about some calendars. What is the final word on that? What is the price, will we have some "subsidized" ones and when will they be ready?
Thanks, Strainu
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
On 22/09/12 11:14, Barbara Fischer wrote:
The calendar will be rather puristic. The image as bis as possible and only numbers as calendar reference. No mark for sundays, or fridays or saturdays to keep it neutral for every culture. As soon as the design is set, we will upload it at WMcommons.
With which first day of the week? Remember that it is also culture-dependant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendar#Calendar_formats
I know that only one version is done to keep costs down but I'd consider the option of having 2-3 formats for the numbers. The images would still be printied in one pass, so probably not too hard.
Could we view a draft of how would they look?
Hi Platonides, thanks for the questions.
We have received three very simple drafts of the layout last week, and as far as I remember, it's going to be very similar to the one we used last year (see http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_calendar_(design_file).pdf).
We have brought up the subject of weeks being culture-dependant to the printing company (which will be also responsible for preparing the layout) together with other requirements (licencing and language-neutrality) that we gathered last year.
I guess we will be able to share a next version of the draft with the wider community as soon as we get it from the printing company -- there isn't anything special to comment in those three drafts we received, and I think it'd be better to wait and see how the design will evolve, and then to comment on it.
Thanks,
Three things about that amazing calender:
1 The description could do with being just slightly bigger for those of us with less than perfect eyesight
2 Where is the attribution to the photographers? There is a final page which quotes the file names and repeats the license 12 times, but the photographers are unnamed, or are those strange //s a placeholder that will be replaced with their names.
3 Where can I buy a couple of copies? I've suggested a couple of times in the past that the WMF sells calenders to raise funds, and if that goes on sale it solves two of my Christmas present problems.
WSC
On 23 September 2012 18:58, Tomasz W. Kozłowski odder.wiki@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Platonides, thanks for the questions.
We have received three very simple drafts of the layout last week, and as far as I remember, it's going to be very similar to the one we used last year (see < http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_201...
).
We have brought up the subject of weeks being culture-dependant to the printing company (which will be also responsible for preparing the layout) together with other requirements (licencing and language-neutrality) that we gathered last year.
I guess we will be able to share a next version of the draft with the wider community as soon as we get it from the printing company -- there isn't anything special to comment in those three drafts we received, and I think it'd be better to wait and see how the design will evolve, and then to comment on it.
Thanks,
Tomasz W. Kozłowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]]
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
On 23/09/12 20:36, WereSpielChequers wrote:
Three things about that amazing calender:
1 The description could do with being just slightly bigger for those of us with less than perfect eyesight
+1. It is barely readable at 1:1. It doesn't need to be big, but neither so small.
2 Where is the attribution to the photographers? There is a final page which quotes the file names and repeats the license 12 times, but the photographers are unnamed, or are those strange //s a placeholder that will be replaced with their names.
The names are at the left of "CC-BY-SA 3.0" in that last page. No idea what those // are for. For titles maybe, but I don't know why they wouldn't have been included. In my opinion the author and CC-BY-SA 3.0 could also be present at the image page. The last page could contain and a link to the each description page in addition to the names and CC-BY-SA 3.0 A link to what the CC-BY-SA 3.0 is, would also be good (remember that 4.b.I requisite).
Thanks for the comments, WereSpielCheckquers and Platonides!
1. I am not sure whether we'll be including file descriptions at all this year; it was the only thing besides the last page that made the calendars not language-neutral. This is something we try to avoid as much as possible, as we're having WLM in more countries that use non-Latin alphabets than last year.
I'm not saying "no" to descriptions in English, but this /is/ a problem, and we will not be able to translate them into the 37 languages used in WLM countries, especially due to technical and financial reasons. If you'd prefer to have the descriptions below the photos, I'll make sure to have them in a bigger font than last year :-))
2. The names of the authors are listed on the last page of the calendars, though as Platonides rightly pointed out, we forgot to include a link to the page of the deed at creativecommons.org; this is something we can improve this time.
I am not sure whether adding a link to a winning photo would be useful at all, especially with long filenames or filenames written in non-Latin alphabets (or even in Latin alphabets in countries which use different ones); just imagine how long would typing those from your keyboard take!
And by the way, the forward slashes // were just part of the design, with no special meaning.
3. You cannot buy a copy of the 2012 calendars (I'm quite sure there are no spare copies left at all), and I haven't heard about any plans of selling the 2013s to the public. You'd be able to buy (or get) those from a local chapter if they order more than they really need.
Last year, a Wikimedia Polska representative gave more than 10 copies to the Wikimedia Foundation staff at the financial meeting in Paris; I've heard they liked them :-) so if the Foundation would like to sell the 2013s in their shop, they will be able to download the design file from Commons -- we'll upload it there as soon as we have it ready, just like I did with the one we used this year.
On 23/09/12 23:07, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote:
I'm not saying "no" to descriptions in English, but this /is/ a problem, and we will not be able to translate them into the 37 languages used in WLM countries, especially due to technical and financial reasons. If you'd prefer to have the descriptions below the photos, I'll make sure to have them in a bigger font than last year :-))
Why not? We have people from all those countries. It wouldn't be hard that each local team translates the caption of 12 photos to the local language. It would be nice to have all the local winners translated, but translating the captions of 340 photos may be too much. :)
It's strange, I expected that given the overlap of some languages we would have less languages than countries, not more.
I am not sure whether adding a link to a winning photo would be useful at all, especially with long filenames or filenames written in non-Latin alphabets (or even in Latin alphabets in countries which use different ones); just imagine how long would typing those from your keyboard take!
Yes, it could be painful, but providing access to the original files is the only way to allow properly reuse of the photos.
An option would be to link to a central page instead of each of the images. «You can view and download the design of this calendar and each of the individual photos at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012_calendar »
- You cannot buy a copy of the 2012 calendars (I'm quite sure there
are no spare copies left at all), and I haven't heard about any plans of selling the 2013s to the public. You'd be able to buy (or get) those from a local chapter if they order more than they really need.
In summary, ask your local chapter to buy N more calendars for you. :)
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:
On 23/09/12 23:07, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote:
I'm not saying "no" to descriptions in English, but this /is/ a problem, and we will not be able to translate them into the 37 languages used in WLM countries, especially due to technical and financial reasons. If you'd prefer to have the descriptions below the photos, I'll make sure to have them in a bigger font than last year :-))
Why not? We have people from all those countries. It wouldn't be hard that each local team translates the caption of 12 photos to the local language. It would be nice to have all the local winners translated, but translating the captions of 340 photos may be too much. :)
It's strange, I expected that given the overlap of some languages we would have less languages than countries, not more.
I am not sure whether adding a link to a winning photo would be useful at all, especially with long filenames or filenames written in non-Latin alphabets (or even in Latin alphabets in countries which use different ones); just imagine how long would typing those from your keyboard take!
Yes, it could be painful, but providing access to the original files is the only way to allow properly reuse of the photos.
An option would be to link to a central page instead of each of the images. «You can view and download the design of this calendar and each of the individual photos at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012_calendar »
What's wrong with QR codes? Each sheet in the calendar has two sides and one stays unused.
- You cannot buy a copy of the 2012 calendars (I'm quite sure there
are no spare copies left at all), and I haven't heard about any plans of selling the 2013s to the public. You'd be able to buy (or get) those from a local chapter if they order more than they really need.
In summary, ask your local chapter to buy N more calendars for you. :)
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
On 24/09/12 00:02, Paul Selitskas wrote:
I am not sure whether adding a link to a winning photo would be useful at all, especially with long filenames or filenames written in non-Latin alphabets (or even in Latin alphabets in countries which use different ones); just imagine how long would typing those from your keyboard take!
Yes, it could be painful, but providing access to the original files is the only way to allow properly reuse of the photos.
An option would be to link to a central page instead of each of the images. «You can view and download the design of this calendar and each of the individual photos at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012_calendar »
What's wrong with QR codes? Each sheet in the calendar has two sides and one stays unused.
They could be added too, but probably not as the only way, given that not everyone is able to read them.
Hi, concerning. distribution
Cyriel from WMNL is checking with the WMF, if they will take the WLM calendars into their shop -programme.
Please check with Your chapter if you would like to order a number of copies on top of the 15 free copies every participating country will receive.
The printing house is not supposed to take individual orders, like sending one copy to Seattle and an other one to Cape Town. But they will love to ship 25 copies to Vienna and 30 to Bogotá and so forth. Just let me know, how You feel about it. I' collect your figures to start with out commitment.
concerning layout:
there will be no printed rear-sides as this would increase the printing cost considerably. All other suggestions will be considered as Tomasz said. best regards Barbara Fischer Kuratorin für Kulturpartnerschaften
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | NEU: Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
2012/9/23 Tomasz W. Kozłowski odder.wiki@gmail.com
Thanks for the comments, WereSpielCheckquers and Platonides!
- I am not sure whether we'll be including file descriptions at all
this year; it was the only thing besides the last page that made the calendars not language-neutral. This is something we try to avoid as much as possible, as we're having WLM in more countries that use non-Latin alphabets than last year.
I'm not saying "no" to descriptions in English, but this /is/ a problem, and we will not be able to translate them into the 37 languages used in WLM countries, especially due to technical and financial reasons. If you'd prefer to have the descriptions below the photos, I'll make sure to have them in a bigger font than last year :-))
- The names of the authors are listed on the last page of the
calendars, though as Platonides rightly pointed out, we forgot to include a link to the page of the deed at creativecommons.org; this is something we can improve this time.
I am not sure whether adding a link to a winning photo would be useful at all, especially with long filenames or filenames written in non-Latin alphabets (or even in Latin alphabets in countries which use different ones); just imagine how long would typing those from your keyboard take!
And by the way, the forward slashes // were just part of the design, with no special meaning.
- You cannot buy a copy of the 2012 calendars (I'm quite sure there
are no spare copies left at all), and I haven't heard about any plans of selling the 2013s to the public. You'd be able to buy (or get) those from a local chapter if they order more than they really need.
Last year, a Wikimedia Polska representative gave more than 10 copies to the Wikimedia Foundation staff at the financial meeting in Paris; I've heard they liked them :-) so if the Foundation would like to sell the 2013s in their shop, they will be able to download the design file from Commons -- we'll upload it there as soon as we have it ready, just like I did with the one we used this year.
-- Tomasz W. Kozłowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]]
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Hi all,
responding to several points at once:
* For the license stuff: I suggest to just take the graphical CC BY-SA logo that Creative Commons provides, and show that at the front page in a corner.
* Let me just say 'no' to translating everything into all languages. That is simply a journey I refuse to go onto. It would require a huge investment of time from both translators and the coordinators. Lets do the thing that worked well last year: short description in both the local language of the monument and in English. (with exceptions for complicated regions adding another language). Perfection is the enemy of progress: we're on a very tight time schedule once we get to the jury results. We don't have any resources to hunt after people, and any compromise is going to have disadvantages too. If/when we do an online exhibition we could/should do this though.
* For those that really really like, we have a few 2012 calendars left in the WMNL office. I'm sure if you give a proper donation, you can get a few ;-) (contact Sandra Rientjes for that). For 2013 I think Barbara will come later with a more detailed update on what is possible and what isn't. This was still under discussion - the publisher did consider providing calendars for public sale. I'm not sure if the WMF is going to order calendars - but I suggest you contact them directly if you want to make that happen.
* Providing URL's to the original file is not required. What I can imagine is that the file description in the last page contains the file names - but then that is also barely usable (how well are you able to copy the hebrew characters?). If you want to reuse the images, just go to the Wikilovesmonuments website or Wikimedia Commons - both will contain a full overview of all winning pictures. Lets not make things more complicated than necessary. It is not a legal requirement, and lets not fool ourselves: anyone with a little bit of google experience can type 'wiki loves monuments winners' into google and will find them.
* On QR codes: I know some people really fancy them... personally I think that they wouldn't really look well in the existing designs at least on the photo pages. Again: lets not make the process more complicated (these codes need to be created, pages can't be moved, weird characters etc. - all potential errors and problems giving me a headache). People can find the page with the winning pictures quite easily. If we add everything we *can* add, it will be overkill.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback. While some of it may not be implementable, it is still appreciated.
Best,
Lodewijk
2012/9/24 Barbara Fischer barbara.fischer@wikimedia.de
Hi, concerning. distribution
Cyriel from WMNL is checking with the WMF, if they will take the WLM calendars into their shop -programme.
Please check with Your chapter if you would like to order a number of copies on top of the 15 free copies every participating country will receive.
The printing house is not supposed to take individual orders, like sending one copy to Seattle and an other one to Cape Town. But they will love to ship 25 copies to Vienna and 30 to Bogotá and so forth. Just let me know, how You feel about it. I' collect your figures to start with out commitment.
concerning layout:
there will be no printed rear-sides as this would increase the printing cost considerably. All other suggestions will be considered as Tomasz said. best regards
Barbara Fischer Kuratorin für Kulturpartnerschaften
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | NEU: Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
2012/9/23 Tomasz W. Kozłowski odder.wiki@gmail.com
Thanks for the comments, WereSpielCheckquers and Platonides!
- I am not sure whether we'll be including file descriptions at all
this year; it was the only thing besides the last page that made the calendars not language-neutral. This is something we try to avoid as much as possible, as we're having WLM in more countries that use non-Latin alphabets than last year.
I'm not saying "no" to descriptions in English, but this /is/ a problem, and we will not be able to translate them into the 37 languages used in WLM countries, especially due to technical and financial reasons. If you'd prefer to have the descriptions below the photos, I'll make sure to have them in a bigger font than last year :-))
- The names of the authors are listed on the last page of the
calendars, though as Platonides rightly pointed out, we forgot to include a link to the page of the deed at creativecommons.org; this is something we can improve this time.
I am not sure whether adding a link to a winning photo would be useful at all, especially with long filenames or filenames written in non-Latin alphabets (or even in Latin alphabets in countries which use different ones); just imagine how long would typing those from your keyboard take!
And by the way, the forward slashes // were just part of the design, with no special meaning.
- You cannot buy a copy of the 2012 calendars (I'm quite sure there
are no spare copies left at all), and I haven't heard about any plans of selling the 2013s to the public. You'd be able to buy (or get) those from a local chapter if they order more than they really need.
Last year, a Wikimedia Polska representative gave more than 10 copies to the Wikimedia Foundation staff at the financial meeting in Paris; I've heard they liked them :-) so if the Foundation would like to sell the 2013s in their shop, they will be able to download the design file from Commons -- we'll upload it there as soon as we have it ready, just like I did with the one we used this year.
-- Tomasz W. Kozłowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]]
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 11:59:42AM +0200, Lodewijk wrote:
Hi all,
- On QR codes: I know some people really fancy them... personally I think
that they wouldn't really look well in the existing designs at least on the photo pages. Again: lets not make the process more complicated (these codes need to be created, pages can't be moved, weird characters etc. - all potential errors and problems giving me a headache). People can find the page with the winning pictures quite easily. If we add everything we *can* add, it will be overkill.
Didn't follow the discussion completely, but just responding on this one, one QR code on the last page (were also the authors are) with a link to the page with the winners?
Regards,
Andre
On 24 September 2012 12:05, Andre Koopal andre@molens.org wrote:
Didn't follow the discussion completely, but just responding on this one, one QR code on the last page (were also the authors are) with a link to the page with the winners?
This is definitely possible, and I cannot see a reason not to implement that; thanks for the suggestion :-)
As mailing lists in general are a bad place to gather ideas, I went ahead and created a simple pad for the brainstorming; feel free to add your ideas at http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/WLM-2012-calendar.
Thanks
wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org