Hello.
Can there be two monuments lists with an identical set of monuments but in different languages? For instance, a list in Belarusian and Russian (hypothetically) for Belarus?
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:29:46 +0300, Paul Selitskas p.selitskas@gmail.com wrote:
Hello.
Can there be two monuments lists with an identical set of monuments but in different languages? For instance, a list in Belarusian and Russian (hypothetically) for Belarus?
I would just do one list in two languages (or may be three) and put the same set of lists in the three projects (Russian and two Belarusians). Or is it the problem that some monuments only have an official name in one language?
Btw do you have any collaboration/contacts with globus.tut.by ? These people have done an amazing job.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:29:46 +0300, Paul Selitskas p.selitskas@gmail.com wrote:
Hello.
Can there be two monuments lists with an identical set of monuments but in different languages? For instance, a list in Belarusian and Russian (hypothetically) for Belarus?
I would just do one list in two languages (or may be three) and put the same set of lists in the three projects (Russian and two Belarusians). Or is it the problem that some monuments only have an official name in one language?
Btw do you have any collaboration/contacts with globus.tut.by ? These people have done an amazing job.
Cheers Yaroslav
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That is what we desired to do. I'm just unaware of the way UploadWizard will display all this stuff.
I personally considered globus.tut.by a good geodata source, the project's patron, tut.by would be a great partner for the contest in Belarus.
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:42:01 +0300, Paul Selitskas p.selitskas@gmail.com wrote:
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That is what we desired to do. I'm just unaware of the way UploadWizard will display all this stuff.
I personally considered globus.tut.by a good geodata source, the project's patron, tut.by would be a great partner for the contest in Belarus.
You will design the custom Upload Wizard yourself, possibly with the help of Maarten. I am not sure how was it done last year for Belgium and Switzerland, who faced the same problems (bi- and trilingual lists, different projects) but I am sure by the end of the day someone will answer this question. Most probably, just three Upload Wizards: Russian, Belarusian, and Tarashkevitsa.
Cheers Yaroslav
Just make sure you use the same identifier in diferent languagues. An UploadWizard campaign is designed for a register with his identifiers, and the same campaign can be configured in diferent languagues. It is advisable to do so in the most relevant languagues for each case. Take a look at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Upload_c...
Vicenç
To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:47:08 +0400 From: putevod@mccme.ru Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Structured lists: a bilingual list of monuments
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:42:01 +0300, Paul Selitskas p.selitskas@gmail.com wrote:
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
That is what we desired to do. I'm just unaware of the way UploadWizard will display all this stuff.
I personally considered globus.tut.by a good geodata source, the project's patron, tut.by would be a great partner for the contest in Belarus.
You will design the custom Upload Wizard yourself, possibly with the help of Maarten. I am not sure how was it done last year for Belgium and Switzerland, who faced the same problems (bi- and trilingual lists, different projects) but I am sure by the end of the day someone will answer this question. Most probably, just three Upload Wizards: Russian, Belarusian, and Tarashkevitsa.
Cheers Yaroslav
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On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Vicenç Riullop vriullop@hotmail.com wrote:
Just make sure you use the same identifier in diferent languagues. An UploadWizard campaign is designed for a register with his identifiers, and the same campaign can be configured in diferent languagues. It is advisable to do so in the most relevant languagues for each case. Take a look at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Upload_c...
Vicenç
To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:47:08 +0400 From: putevod@mccme.ru Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Structured lists: a bilingual list of monuments
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:42:01 +0300, Paul Selitskas p.selitskas@gmail.com wrote:
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
That is what we desired to do. I'm just unaware of the way UploadWizard will display all this stuff.
I personally considered globus.tut.by a good geodata source, the project's patron, tut.by would be a great partner for the contest in Belarus.
You will design the custom Upload Wizard yourself, possibly with the help of Maarten. I am not sure how was it done last year for Belgium and Switzerland, who faced the same problems (bi- and trilingual lists, different projects) but I am sure by the end of the day someone will answer this question. Most probably, just three Upload Wizards: Russian, Belarusian, and Tarashkevitsa.
Cheers Yaroslav
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Thank you for the clear answer. Now the issue is settled.
Of course. There are already lists in Catalan/Spanish and Galician/Spanish for monuments from some regions of Spain and Catalan/French for some from France.
Regards!
Santiago Navarro (Millars) Wikimedia Spain
From: p.selitskas@gmail.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:29:46 +0300 To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Structured lists: a bilingual list of monuments
Hello.
Can there be two monuments lists with an identical set of monuments but in different languages? For instance, a list in Belarusian and Russian (hypothetically) for Belarus?
-- З павагай, Павел Селіцкас/Paul Selitskas Wizardist @ Wikimedia projects p.selitskas@gmail.com, +375257408304 Skype: p.selitskas
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Yes you can! In Belgium three languages are spoken depending on the region, and so we try to get all the lists translated in all the languages. On the Dutch, French and German Wikipedia. Also we try to get more lists on the English Wikipedia for more availability in more languages.
I think that in future all the lists of all countries will be translated in many languages, it only needs time.
Greetings - Romaine
--- On Thu, 2/16/12, Paul Selitskas p.selitskas@gmail.com wrote:
From: Paul Selitskas p.selitskas@gmail.com Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Structured lists: a bilingual list of monuments To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thursday, February 16, 2012, 11:29 AM Hello.
Can there be two monuments lists with an identical set of monuments but in different languages? For instance, a list in Belarusian and Russian (hypothetically) for Belarus?
-- З павагай, Павел Селіцкас/Paul Selitskas Wizardist @ Wikimedia projects p.selitskas@gmail.com, +375257408304 Skype: p.selitskas
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Hi Romaine, I feel somewhat guilty because I stopped creating the lists on the English Wikipedia. I just sort of forgot about them. As I recall, there was a problem with naming the actual monuments. I guess it's all "Belgium National Heritage Site" or something like that.
What I really would like to know however, is whether the pictures that someone adds to an English list (so not Dutch, French or German) will make it into the monuments database on Commons? I assume there is some checks done on the leading language lists in order to update the database. My question is, can there be more than one list? And what if a user adds a photo to Wikipedia, rather than Wikimedia Commons? I think these need to be caught and transferred by hand, but is that right?
Jane
2012/2/24 Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.com
Yes you can! In Belgium three languages are spoken depending on the region, and so we try to get all the lists translated in all the languages. On the Dutch, French and German Wikipedia. Also we try to get more lists on the English Wikipedia for more availability in more languages.
I think that in future all the lists of all countries will be translated in many languages, it only needs time.
Greetings - Romaine
--- On Thu, 2/16/12, Paul Selitskas p.selitskas@gmail.com wrote:
From: Paul Selitskas p.selitskas@gmail.com Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Structured lists: a bilingual list of
monuments
To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" <
wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2012, 11:29 AM Hello.
Can there be two monuments lists with an identical set of monuments but in different languages? For instance, a list in Belarusian and Russian (hypothetically) for Belarus?
-- З павагай, Павел Селіцкас/Paul Selitskas Wizardist @ Wikimedia projects p.selitskas@gmail.com, +375257408304 Skype: p.selitskas
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On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:50:50 +0100, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Romaine, I feel somewhat guilty because I stopped creating the lists on the
English
Wikipedia. I just sort of forgot about them. As I recall, there was a problem with naming the actual monuments. I guess it's all "Belgium National Heritage Site" or something like that.
What I really would like to know however, is whether the pictures that someone adds to an English list (so not Dutch, French or German) will
make
it into the monuments database on Commons? I assume there is some checks done on the leading language lists in order to update the database. My question is, can there be more than one list? And what if a user adds a photo to Wikipedia, rather than Wikimedia Commons? I think these need to
be
caught and transferred by hand, but is that right?
Jane
Hi Jane
I can definitely help with the lists on en.wp, I actually planned to start translating them.
Pictures which were not on Commons were not part of the WLM. If there are any pictures around which are eligible for Commons I think they should be transferred manually. If they can not be there (for instance, because of the Freedom of Panorama issues), they are also no eligible for the lists. In practice, I think, only users who are aware of WLM, Commons, and databases, like you and me, will add pictures.
Cheers Yaroslav
Hi Jane,
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
What I really would like to know however, is whether the pictures that someone adds to an English list (so not Dutch, French or German) will make it into the monuments database on Commons? I assume there is some checks done on the leading language lists in order to update the database.
The answer is yes and no ;-) The monument database has different tables for each language, so there can be multiple tables for a single country, each containing the monuments listed in the specific Wikipedia (e.g. ch-de, ch-fr, ch-it each contain all Swiss monuments but in different languages).
I'm not sure if all of those are included in the monuments_all-table, though.
My question is, can there be more than one list? And what if a user adds a photo to Wikipedia, rather than Wikimedia Commons? I think these need to be caught and transferred by hand, but is that right?
The bot who builds the database crawls every Wikipedia it is set up for, but it actually doesn't have a look at the pictures. It just takes whatever is written in the "picture = " field of the template and assumes that if the field is not empty, it's a working link to a picture.
The feature where the bot tells you what pictures you might want to include in the lists by creating a list on the local Wikipedia just works for Commons though. It won't suggest pictures for monuments that already have a locally uploaded picture inserted into the list (see above), but it only looks for templated pictures on Commons. (By the way, it is really helpful to have all pictures on Commons if we want to import monument lists on other Wikipedias).
I hope this was a helpful.
Best regards,
Kilian
On 24/02/12 13:35, Kilian Kluge wrote:
Hi Jane,
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Jane Darnell wrote:
What I really would like to know however, is whether the pictures that someone adds to an English list (so not Dutch, French or German) will make it into the monuments database on Commons? I assume there is some checks done on the leading language lists in order to update the database.
The answer is yes and no ;-) The monument database has different tables for each language, so there can be multiple tables for a single country, each containing the monuments listed in the specific Wikipedia (e.g. ch-de, ch-fr, ch-it each contain all Swiss monuments but in different languages).
I'm not sure if all of those are included in the monuments_all-table, though.
There's only one ch table, monuments_ch_(en) and it is included in monuments_all.
There are for instance monuments_fr_(fr) and monuments_fr_(ca) (monuments in France in French and Catalonian), and both are included into monuments_all. I think the monuments_all entries from ca will get overwritten by the fr ones, though.
Hmm, These are all very interesting answers, so thanks! Yaroslav, it would be totally awesome if you would help out with some lists (any lists you want to do would be great). The reason I put both issues into this original query (about making the lists AND about the way the monuments database is set up) is because these issues are related. It helps to use a concrete example, so here is an example with the Belgian monuments: If the monuments database only gets updated with pictures on Wikimedia Commons that have been added manually to the beschermd erfgoed lists on the Netherlands Wikipedia, well, then I guess I don't feel a need to create a list on the English Wikipedia until those lists get pictures added to them. The English Wikipedia still has lots of users adding photos to Wikipedia instead of Wikimedia Commons, and there are lots of monument fotos on Wikipedia already. People are free to add pictures to lists at any time (it's not even part of the competition to do this). I can imagine that someone may go and take pictures on their own to fill up a list on say the German Wikipedia that is there for one of the German towns in Belgium, while the Dutch Wikipedia has a list that is already filled with pictures. As far as I know, there is no real method for photo selection, so any picture with the proper identifier can be used in a list.
Rereading the responses of Kilian and Platonides, I guess basically we need a " reverse bot" that can generate a list of suggested pictures (or maybe just a running total of files per list as an update indication?). If people add pictures from Wikipedia rather than from Wiki Commons, then it's clear: either transfer the file or replace it in the list with another suitable one from Commons.
To update the lists, it would be great if we had a tool to do this, so if ch uses en as the central language for the list, then exporting the database list to en/fr/it/de would be a great tool to have.
Jane 2012/2/24 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
On 24/02/12 13:35, Kilian Kluge wrote:
Hi Jane,
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Jane Darnell wrote:
What I really would like to know however, is whether the pictures that someone adds to an English list (so not Dutch, French or German) will
make
it into the monuments database on Commons? I assume there is some checks done on the leading language lists in order to update the database.
The answer is yes and no ;-) The monument database has different tables for each language, so there can be multiple tables for a single country, each containing the monuments listed in the specific Wikipedia (e.g. ch-de, ch-fr, ch-it each contain all Swiss monuments but in different languages).
I'm not sure if all of those are included in the monuments_all-table,
though.
There's only one ch table, monuments_ch_(en) and it is included in monuments_all.
There are for instance monuments_fr_(fr) and monuments_fr_(ca) (monuments in France in French and Catalonian), and both are included into monuments_all. I think the monuments_all entries from ca will get overwritten by the fr ones, though.
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On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:08:47 +0100, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Hmm, These are all very interesting answers, so thanks! Yaroslav, it would be totally awesome if you would help out with some
lists
(any lists you want to do would be great). The reason I put both issues into this original query (about making the lists AND about the way the monuments database is set up) is because these issues are related. It helps to use a concrete example, so here is an example with the
Belgian
monuments:
Jane, let us start with smth simple.
My idea was the following. I wanted to take a page, for instance, from the Dutch Wikipedia, let us take this one
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_rijksmonumenten_in_Laren_%28Noord-Hol...
with all pictures it contains, to translate all columns into English (the first one should be kept also for original Dutch names) and to add it to the English Wikipedia. Then to ask Maarten to add this page to his bot algorithm.
Then, if someone adds a picture with a missing monument on Commons, it will show up on the dedicated service page in English Wikipedia, same way it shows up now here:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiproject/Erfgoed/Nederlandse_Erfgo...
We would need to handle it manually.
If someone adds a picture without a Rijksmonument ID on Commons, or a picture on the English Wikipedia, we would know it from the personal watchlist. Then we would need to check the picture and add an ID / transfer it to Commons / remove it from the list if there are Freedom of Panorama issues. May be this process could be automatized by a bot but I do not know how to do it.
Is this what you also had in mind?
Cheers Yaroslav
Hi Jane,
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
If the monuments database only gets updated with pictures on Wikimedia Commons that have been added manually to the beschermd erfgoed lists on the Netherlands Wikipedia, well, then I guess I don't feel a need to create a list on the English Wikipedia until those lists get pictures added to them. The English Wikipedia still has lots of users adding photos to Wikipedia instead of Wikimedia Commons, and there are lots of monument fotos on Wikipedia already. People are free to add pictures to lists at any time (it's not even part of the competition to do this). I can imagine that someone may go and take pictures on their own to fill up a list on say the German Wikipedia that is there for one of the German towns in Belgium, while the Dutch Wikipedia has a list that is already filled with pictures. As far as I know, there is no real method for photo selection, so any picture with the proper identifier can be used in a list.
Rereading the responses of Kilian and Platonides, I guess basically we need a " reverse bot" that can generate a list of suggested pictures (or maybe just a running total of files per list as an update indication?). If people add pictures from Wikipedia rather than from Wiki Commons, then it's clear: either transfer the file or replace it in the list with another suitable one from Commons.
The erfgoed bot can serve as a "reverse bot": When set up that way it will generate a list of unused images. That means it will go through all the lists on a given Wikipedia, check which monument on the list has no picture, checks if there is a picture for that very monument on Commons (works only if the image on Commons has a template with the identifier, of course, but at least for WLM submissions that's almost always a given) and then lists this picture with a link to the list it should be put in. One example is https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Denkmalpflege/Deutschlan...
This has to be done individually on every Wikipedia, though.
Is that what you mean?
Kilian
Op 24-2-2012 16:28, Platonides schreef:
There's only one ch table, monuments_ch_(en) and it is included in monuments_all.
There are for instance monuments_fr_(fr) and monuments_fr_(ca) (monuments in France in French and Catalonian), and both are included into monuments_all. I think the monuments_all entries from ca will get overwritten by the fr ones, though.
No, that's not the case. The monuments_all table contains a lang field. So it's possible to have the exact same entry, but with a different language.
Maarten
I think the monuments_all entries from ca will get overwritten by the fr ones, though.
No, that's not the case. The monuments_all table contains a lang field. So it's possible to have the exact same entry, but with a different language.
Maarten
Oh, right. I didn't remember the PK was [country,lang,id] Sorry.
Thanks again for these responses: that is exactly what I meant! So summing up, it's a bi-directional list update process between Wikimedia Commons and XX Wikipedia (in my case en): 1) Put all of the en list pages on my watch list (if I create them I guess they are there automatically) 2) " register" these en lists with Maarten to make sure they are included in the update process; and create an en "unused photo holding page" 3) If someone adds a picture to one of the en lists, check manually to see it's actually a commons picture, because if it isn't, it needs to be transferred (with the proper tag, yada yada) to Commons or replaced with a Commons equivalent (if there). This is the update direction from en Wikipedia to Commons 4) Check the en "unused photo holding page" periodically for updating manually the other way around (these are photo suggestions coming in from Commons to the en Wikipedia)
Is this everything? How do I make an unused photo holding page?
2012/2/24 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
I think the monuments_all entries from ca will get overwritten by the fr ones, though.
No, that's not the case. The monuments_all table contains a lang field. So it's possible to have the exact same entry, but with a different language.
Maarten
Oh, right. I didn't remember the PK was [country,lang,id] Sorry.
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Hi Jane,
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Is this everything? How do I make an unused photo holding page?
Yes, and the unused photo holding page is automagically filled (and emptied, of course) by the erfgoed-bot, so once you ask Maarten to include the lists into the database, tell him where you want the unused pictures to end up.
Kilian
Thanks!
2012/2/24 Kilian Kluge kilian@k-kluge.de
Hi Jane,
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Is this everything? How do I make an unused photo holding page?
Yes, and the unused photo holding page is automagically filled (and emptied, of course) by the erfgoed-bot, so once you ask Maarten to include the lists into the database, tell him where you want the unused pictures to end up.
Kilian
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On cawiki we have a bot checking that all images used in lists have the correct monument template. It has been usefull to check new entries in the lists and to organize the images on Commons. I think this can solve your point 3)
Vicenç
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:35:01 +0100 From: jane023@gmail.com To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Structured lists: a bilingual list of monuments
Thanks again for these responses: that is exactly what I meant!So summing up, it's a bi-directional list update process between Wikimedia Commons and XX Wikipedia (in my case en):1) Put all of the en list pages on my watch list (if I create them I guess they are there automatically) 2) " register" these en lists with Maarten to make sure they are included in the update process; and create an en "unused photo holding page" 3) If someone adds a picture to one of the en lists, check manually to see it's actually a commons picture, because if it isn't, it needs to be transferred (with the proper tag, yada yada) to Commons or replaced with a Commons equivalent (if there). This is the update direction from en Wikipedia to Commons 4) Check the en "unused photo holding page" periodically for updating manually the other way around (these are photo suggestions coming in from Commons to the en Wikipedia) Is this everything? How do I make an unused photo holding page?
2012/2/24 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
I think the monuments_all entries from ca will get overwritten by the fr
ones, though.
No, that's not the case. The monuments_all table contains a lang field.
So it's possible to have the exact same entry, but with a different
language.
Maarten
Oh, right. I didn't remember the PK was [country,lang,id]
Sorry.
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I forgot to say that this is one of many Maarten magics and I think it is running on nlwiki as well.
Vicenç
From: vriullop@hotmail.com To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:47:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Structured lists: a bilingual list of monuments
On cawiki we have a bot checking that all images used in lists have the correct monument template. It has been usefull to check new entries in the lists and to organize the images on Commons. I think this can solve your point 3)
Vicenç
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:35:01 +0100 From: jane023@gmail.com To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Structured lists: a bilingual list of monuments
Thanks again for these responses: that is exactly what I meant!So summing up, it's a bi-directional list update process between Wikimedia Commons and XX Wikipedia (in my case en):1) Put all of the en list pages on my watch list (if I create them I guess they are there automatically) 2) " register" these en lists with Maarten to make sure they are included in the update process; and create an en "unused photo holding page" 3) If someone adds a picture to one of the en lists, check manually to see it's actually a commons picture, because if it isn't, it needs to be transferred (with the proper tag, yada yada) to Commons or replaced with a Commons equivalent (if there). This is the update direction from en Wikipedia to Commons 4) Check the en "unused photo holding page" periodically for updating manually the other way around (these are photo suggestions coming in from Commons to the en Wikipedia) Is this everything? How do I make an unused photo holding page?
2012/2/24 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
I think the monuments_all entries from ca will get overwritten by the fr
ones, though.
No, that's not the case. The monuments_all table contains a lang field.
So it's possible to have the exact same entry, but with a different
language.
Maarten
Oh, right. I didn't remember the PK was [country,lang,id]
Sorry.
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Op 25-2-2012 13:16, Vicenç Riullop schreef:
I forgot to say that this is one of many Maarten magics and I think it is running on nlwiki as well.
If you mean by magics that it's not very well documented: Yes that's true :-( I just checked the config. I'm keeping 19 unused images pages up to date right now. For now you can find it at https://svn.toolserver.org/svnroot/p_erfgoed/erfgoedbot/monuments_config.py . Look for "unusedImagesPage". I'll put an action point on my list to make a human readable version of this so it's easier to find.
Maarten
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