On the French government database, we haven't any limitation, expect for the archaeological areas, because of looters. A lot of monuments are private property, and take photos of them may be difficult or forbidden. A warning sign about it have to be placed on the Wikipedia or Commons list page. That is the best we can do, everybody have to be civic.
If Minorca council doesn't want to share all the information with us, we don't have to restrict ourselves. We share the information about every public monument ; we may have good surprises after all.
Benoît / Trizek
2011/2/25 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
Hi, I am not sure I understand your explanation correctly, so let me try to summarize and correct me if I am wrong please. If I understand well, you say that out of the 1000 monuments, all are real monuments, but that the government official suggests to leave out 935 of them because they are on private property - not because it is a mistake. I agree with him that it is important to be careful about private property - this goes everywhere in Europe. We should make clear notices how to work with private property, and how to ask permission of the owner. That is more a matter of communication than a fundamental one. And even if people can't make photos, the owners could theoretically still upload a photo, so I think if they are real monuments, they could be in the list - maybe in a special header with a seperate table? Best, Lodewijk
2011/2/24 Vicenç Riullop vriullop@hotmail.com
We have encountered an unexpected problem with monuments of Minorca (http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llista_de_monuments_de_Menorca). There are about 1,000 monuments, most of them of Talayotic culture (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talaiotic_Cultura), possibly with an unclear demarcation between the categories of monument and archaeological area, two of the categories defined for Bien de Interés Cultural (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bien_de_Inter% C3% A9s_Cultural). We have contacted with the person in charge of heritage in the island council asking for help to identify them and locate them as the online register only contains the name and little else. His answer is that we must limit to 65 monuments that are accessible to the public. The reason is that most are on private lands and they want to avoid spolation. He recognizes out of the record that most are not monuments. I think they probably lack of protection and I know the islanders are very sensitive that tourists do not invade private lands.
As a Wikipedian I can not accept it. The register of monuments is public information, monuments are protected by law, we can not redefine if a monument should be in the arqueological area category and we can not limit the information based on problems or interests of the administration. But from WLM viewpoint, probably it is not appropiate causing problems and perhaps it makes nonsense to suggest participants to go to inaccessible places to take photos of ruins or caves or to suggest them monuments that we can not correctly identify. Moroever, the amount of 65 would be within the Spanish average.
I am confused with this. Any suggestions?
Vicenç
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