On the French government database, we haven't any limitation, expect
for the archaeological areas, because of looters. A lot of monuments
are private property, and take photos of them may be difficult or
forbidden. A warning sign about it have to be placed on the Wikipedia
or Commons list page. That is the best we can do, everybody have to be
civic.
If Minorca council doesn't want to share all the information with us,
we don't have to restrict ourselves. We share the information about
every public monument ; we may have good surprises after all.
Benoît / Trizek
2011/2/25 Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>rg>:
Hi,
I am not sure I understand your explanation correctly, so let me try to
summarize and correct me if I am wrong please.
If I understand well, you say that out of the 1000 monuments, all are real
monuments, but that the government official suggests to leave out 935 of
them because they are on private property - not because it is a mistake.
I agree with him that it is important to be careful about private property -
this goes everywhere in Europe. We should make clear notices how to work
with private property, and how to ask permission of the owner. That is more
a matter of communication than a fundamental one. And even if people can't
make photos, the owners could theoretically still upload a photo, so I think
if they are real monuments, they could be in the list - maybe in a special
header with a seperate table?
Best,
Lodewijk
2011/2/24 Vicenç Riullop <vriullop(a)hotmail.com>
We have encountered an unexpected problem with monuments of Minorca
(
http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llista_de_monuments_de_Menorca). There are
about 1,000 monuments, most of them of Talayotic culture (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talaiotic_Cultura), possibly with an unclear
demarcation between the categories of monument and archaeological area, two
of the categories defined for Bien de Interés Cultural
(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bien_de_Inter% C3% A9s_Cultural). We have
contacted with the person in charge of heritage in the island council asking
for help to identify them and locate them as the online register only
contains the name and little else. His answer is that we must limit to 65
monuments that are accessible to the public. The reason is that most are on
private lands and they want to avoid spolation. He recognizes out of the
record that most are not monuments. I think they probably lack of protection
and I know the islanders are very sensitive that tourists do not invade
private lands.
As a Wikipedian I can not accept it. The register of monuments is public
information, monuments are protected by law, we can not redefine if a
monument should be in the arqueological area category and we can not limit
the information based on problems or interests of the administration. But
from WLM viewpoint, probably it is not appropiate causing problems and
perhaps it makes nonsense to suggest participants to go to inaccessible
places to take photos of ruins or caves or to suggest them monuments that we
can not correctly identify. Moroever, the amount of 65 would be within the
Spanish average.
I am confused with this. Any suggestions?
Vicenç
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