Hi All,
I understand that Lodewijk has his expectation for the international
team. People from the previous years have set the standard to be very
high.
Having said that we need to focus on the present. Many countries are
organizing WLM. What value can we add to their competition if we have
an international team? What will be the cost associated with the
activities?
My opinion is that the minimal core tasks are:
1. Find an acceptable judging methods (including juries) to rank the
first 10 photos out of [number of countries] x 10. Make sure that
participating countries abide by the judging rules.
2. Procure and distribute awards.
3. (Not compulsory) Do some PR for WLM at the international level.
Collect statistics. Help countries that may have technical/financial
difficulty.
I believe that it is doable by the countries participate in WLM 2014.
You may ask for volunteers, you may ask for one representative from
each country or you organize an election if too many people want to
involve. But this has to be done now and conclude quickly...
What do you guys think?
Taweetham
On 30 June 2014 12:57, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org> wrote:
Hi Taweetham,
There were indeed a few people that volunteered. However, after that nobody
stood up and took responsibility to make things happen. Also, please note
that in the past year the international team had 6 people and the feeling
was there was too much work already.
The tasks for an international team, to make an international competition
possible, are quite wide. You will find an overview on
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/Timeli…
(the lower part). Please note that this timeline starts in January/February.
It is June now.
I'm glad to hear that you feel that Romaine is doing a good job, but please
note that what he's doing is normally not considered technical support. When
we mention technical, it is usually referring to making sure the tools are
up and running (the map tools, evaluation tools, websites, monuments
database etc). Romaine is mostly making sure everybody has access to the
upload forms and centralnotice - which is of critical importance too.
If you set up an international competition, in my humble opinion you will
have to make sure the quality is good. People have a set of expectations
with an international competition, and while WLM has always been a bit
messy, that should definitely include proper international prizes, a good
and balanced jury, a proper jury report, some international coordination, a
proper website and documentation. If you are confident you can manage that,
please be my guest. But my request is to do it well, if you do it. Wiki
Loves Monuments has a good name to uphold and if we want to use it again in
the future as a major competition, a very messy last minute competition in
the year before would not help.
I'm sorry we didn't have this discussion half a year ago when the question
was first raised - then there would have been plenty of time for a proper
knowledge transfer and organization. Right now, I personally don't feel too
confident about that.
But like I said: if countries want to set up national competitions, great!
As long as the technical infrastructure is there, that should be OK. If the
infrastructure is actually there, I don't know to be honest :)
I hope this elaborates a bit where my assumptions come from.
Best,
Lodewijk
2014-06-30 2:15 GMT+02:00 <KaewWiki(a)gmail.com>om>:
What kind of prize do we want? My understanding
is that prizes come
from other sponsors too.
Monetary value of the prizes are not very high. I believe that we can
raise the fund for it.
On 30 June 2014 07:09, Saqib Qayyum <saqib.qayyum(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
The sad thing is that one major thing that
won't be available this year
is
international prizes. Even if we get international team, I doubt they
will
apply for a grant from WMF and ask for prizes for international winners.
In this case, I don't think we really need an international team..
Romaine
is doing good. He's providing good technical support.
Saqib
From: KaewWiki(a)gmail.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 06:47:36 +0700
To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] international website
Hi All,
My understanding is different. There are at least three people
volunteer to be on the international team. They have indicated their
intention on this mailing list:
From: Bachounda Mohammed <bachounda(a)gmail.com>
To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] 2014 international? (Bachounda
mophammed)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 21:55:48 +0100
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] 2014 international?
From: KaewWiki(a)gmail.com
To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
<wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 21:58:25 +0700
From: Vacio <vacio(a)riseup.net>
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] 2014 international?
To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 08:20:07 -0400
If we really need to have more volunteers for the international team,
I believe that we can do so. But the question is probably beyond
that:
What do you expect to get from an international team?
Technical support?
Value-added to the competition?
Best,
Taweethaも
On 30 June 2014 05:16, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was approached about the international website, after Saqib's email
> about
> this.
>
> I see it this way: To the best of my knowledge, there is /no/
> international
> wiki loves monuments competition in 2014 - not enough people
> volunteered
> for
> an international team. At the same time, there are some /national/
> competitions that will be organized, but without a real international
> layer.
>
> This is no problem, as we discussed before the possibility to have
> Wiki
> Loves Monuments international in odd years (2013, 2015 etc) and Wiki
> Loves
> Earth international in even years (2014, 2016 etc).
>
> This has the implication that I will alter the website sometime soon
> to
> reflect this intention. I will remove the links to the national
> competitions
> from the sidebar to avoid outdated information. I will link to the
> commons
> page for more information about national competitions that may or may
> not
> happen in 2014.
>
> If my assumptions here are off the chart, then please speak up. If I
> totally
> missed an announcement, please let me know.
>
> Hope that helps and clarifies,
>
> Lodewijk
>
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