Giving Wiki Loves Monuments the worst possible situation is certainly not a
compromise, but a situation in what users from the community are crushed
under the weight of the foundation. A compromise is, according to the
dictionary, a situation in what both parties concede something. In this
case, WLM concedes everything and WMF nothing.
I have seen already users asking if this will be the next big clash between
WMF and the community, after the VisualEditor, MediaViewer, Superprotect
and other issues. I personally hope not.
You are of course free to think how much negative impact it will have, but
I base my numbers on the statistics from the past years. We have seen each
time a big influence from conflicting banners or outage. We have followed
the statistics and the impact of past years and we have learned from the
past that it has a big impact we certainly should not underestimate.
And I disagree with your statement that there always will be a clash
somewhere. There is no need for a clash if people work together on the
planning. September is not the only month in autumn, and not all countries
are occupied by Wiki Loves Monuments. Suggesting otherwise are fairy tales.
This is one of the strongest examples of bad planning I have seen in all
the years. Of every country that organises Wiki Loves Monuments, they have
picked the worst possible country.
You reduce this problem to just a "number of emotive emails", with what you
make clear you missed the essence of this case.
Romaine
2015-08-24 10:53 GMT+02:00 Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com>:
> Hi Romaine,
>
> > And the outcome is ridiculous. This is not a compromise. The Italian WLM
> > team has been crashed under the weight and preponderance of the Wikimedia
> > Foundation.
>
> Well - it *is* a compromise. It isn't what you want and I think I
> understand your reasons for thinking it will have a very big impact. I know
> from plenty of past experience of being a volunteer disagreeing with WMF
> staff how frustrating this is (though actually I think the impact on WLM
> will be less than you expect in this case).
>
> But it is plainly not the case that the WMF has just blundered ahead with
> what it was going to do anyway. And even if WMF were not involved at all
> and there were some other method of allocating banner space, if Autumn has
> the peak fundraising potential and is when WLM happens, there will always
> be some kind of clash somewhere, and someone or other will not get what
> they want. No number of emotive emails will change that.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris
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Hi all,
Sad news.
The title of this thread seems a bit hard, but that is practically the
situation as it looks now.
*Background*
Wiki Loves Monuments is the yearly photo contest since 2010, organised by
many local Wikipedia communities and local chapters. For this contest a
banner is shown on top of Wikipedia pages in the specific countries to
attract attention from the public to participate in enriching Wikipedia
with photos of the local cultural heritage.
Wiki Loves Monuments depends for at least 99% on the banner. When there is
no banner, the uploads and results drop dramatically, as possible
participants are not informed and can't easily find the contest site. Also
participants need time to go on location to take photos and see the banner
above Wikipedia afterwards to find their way back.
*What is the situation?*
* The fundraising team plans to have a fundraising banner in Italy during
the month September.
* The local team of Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy is organising the contest
in Italy and needs a banner as well.
As there can be shown only one banner at the time, there have been talks
about these conflicting banners. Result: Wiki Loves Monuments get only
37,5% of the time, the fundraising banner 62,5% of the time.
Now you maybe think that 37,5% of the time is still large, but the
appearances are deceptive because of the different ways the banner is used,
and because the differences in numbers of upload throughout the month
September. Also the banner is not shown at all during two full weeks,
important weeks to attract participants. In the end I estimate, based on
the usage and issues of previous years, etc, that only 10-15% of the
uploads are made in comparison what normally would have been expected.
This is what I would call a devastating effect.
And this is purely because of bad planning at WMF:
* They haven't checked which countries participated continuously the past
years.
* They haven't informed which countries are likely to participate.
* And they say they can't move the fundraising banner to another month, but
it is still a mystery why that isn't possible.
This same issue was originally the case in two countries, but somehow it
was possible to move it for the second country.
This is really sad for Italy. Extra sad because of the difficult copyright
situation in Italy, what requires the local team already to do much much
much more work than in most other countries, just to have a normal contest.
The Italian team does a great job this year.
*My conclusion*
The community is working very hard on improving and expanding the content
of Wikipedia by organising Wiki Loves Monuments. I always thought that this
was the number one priority of the whole Wikimedia movement. Did I made a
wrong assumption somehow?
But when it actually matters, the community project bears the bunt. This is
sad, very sad.
Please all, support the Italian team, they do a great job and deserve a
successful contest.
Greetings,
Romaine
PS: I am one of the international organisers of Wiki Loves Monuments this
year, but this e-mail is written on my personal account only.
[sorry for cross-posting]
Hello everyone.
Thanks Romaine for bringing up this issue, because it's good to talk these
kind of things together with the whole community. It's a way to improve
collaboration, I hope.
Yes, this year WLM and FR will split banners in Semptember: we reached an
agreement in which
* 1-7 September: everyone see a WLM banner
* 8-22 September: everyone see a fundraising banner
* 23-30 September: the traffic will be split 50/50 between the WLM
campaign and the fundraising campaign. (50% of readers will see a
fundraising banner and 50% will see the WLM campaign.)
We asked also a bigger percentage of visibility during the last 2-3 days of
September, as they are very important days in terms of number of photo
uploads: we'll see if we manage to find an agreement also there.
I'd like to declare that the conversation with the fundraising team have
been nothing less than polite and contructive: at the same time, there *is*
a "banner conflict", and we will both suffer from this.
Last year (WLM 2014) we had the same problem, but in the end FR decided to
leave us the banner for the whole September, but the final days.
This year the conflict is on the whole month of September, and WLM in Italy
will definitely suffer (as it does also in normal conditions ;-).
This is a pity because:
* FR decided to use September months ago, and they are now in a rush and
cannot really change their plans
* WMIT decided to run WLM on September months ago as well, as it has done
for the past 4 years. WMIT also declared his plans on WLM in the FDC
appplication, reviewed in May. Knowing also that last year there was the
same issue, it's fair to say, I hope, that from WMIT part there was no lack
of communication.
I agree with Maarten that, in the end, it's WMF decision the one that
counts.
This is why we were firm in stating our position but did not put up a fight
(or a scene). We manage to reach a more favorable agreement for WLM (we
asked for the first and last week of September, as they are in our opinion
the most important).
What we plan to do now is discussing the issue also with the Funds
Dissemination Committee, as it will impact our goals and figures and
metrics. Moreover, we do have sponsors in Italy for WLM, and it will not be
easy to explain them if numbers drop dramatically.
Lorenzo will explain to you what WLM means in terms of organization and
management in Italy.
Of course, this is the last time this problem has to happen. If the WMF is
committed in running the FR banner in September in Italy (it seems it's the
most favorable month), WMIT will have to change WLM and run it in October.
I don't see other solutions.
I hope this mail cleared a bit the situation.
Cheers
Andrea Zanni
Wikimedia Italia
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote:
> Is there not a method for time to be booked in advance for these things?
> Like a year in advance, so projects can be planned properly and not
> crippled at the last minute?
> Peter
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> On Tuesday, 18 August 2015, attolippip <attolippip(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Can we get the WMF comments about it publicly?
> >
> > The WMF Fundraising department asked me to submit my own comments and
> feedback from previous years that can be taken into account for the
> 2015-16 fundraiser at:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas
>
> Some of the feedback is "perennial" - we have the same debates every year.
> But, if that is the page where the Fundraising team have requested
> comments about the forthcoming fundraiser be placed, then I suggest that
> people use it.
>
> -Liam
>
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Hello all,
In all the upload wizards for Wiki Loves Monuments since today CC BY-SA-4.0
is used, instead of 3.0. This change has been implemented as 4.0 is the
most updated license that is promoted by Creative Commons
<http://creativecommons.org/>.
*What should you do?*
Please check your documentation for the mentioning of CC BY-SA-3.0 and
change this to CC BY-SA-4.0. Please also note that localised CC BY-SA-xx
(with the xx the country code of your language) also changes to CC
BY-SA-4.0 (without the suffix!!).
Examples:
CC BY-SA-3.0 changes to CC BY-SA-4.0
CC BY-SA-3.0-at changes to CC BY-SA-4.0
CC BY-SA-3.0-de changes to CC BY-SA-4.0
CC BY-SA-3.0-es changes to CC BY-SA-4.0
Also:
CC BY-3.0 changes to CC BY-4.0
*Don't forgot*
Don't forget to read the requirements for local organisers
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2015/Organi…>
.
Greetings,
Romaine
Hello!
Also this years Wiki Loves Monuments is organised in multiple countries
around the world. To maximize the ability that local people can
participate, because they only need to know their own language, the upload
wizard and CentralNotice banner is translated in the local languages where
the contest is organised.
Local users are working on the organisation of Wiki Loves Monuments, but
they need help with some translations in Latvian, Malay and Brazilian
Portuguese.
You can help if you speak one of these languages!
Go to the following page and translate the lines mentioned into the local
language:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2015/U…
Thanks!
Romaine
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international organiser of Wiki Loves Monuments
Hi all,
I guess everyoe knows by now that the erfgoedbot will no longer work.
Meanwhile, we should be migrating the entire infrastructure to Wikidata to
enable the next generation of tooling. So for example, if your country has
legislation regarding the protection of industrial monuments, then I expect
that all large industrial complexes (such as the first airport, or the
first steam-powered mill complex, or something like that) should reflect
this infrastructure. So such wikipedia articles should be labelled "
instance of" <the name of your identifier used in WLM>. This identifier of
the form " German industrial heritage site", aka "Industriedenkmal
<https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industriedenkmal>" should be a subclass of
Industrial Heritage Site, because it is not equivalent to industrial
heritage sites anywhere else in the world. I see that this is not reflected
yet in Q1569871
I didn't see this discussion anywhere and I tried to get this
infrastructure started before the birth of Wikidata, but we really should
finish the job now.
Jane