New subject: [Chapters] [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

19 Aug 2015

[sorry for cross-posting]

Hello everyone.

Thanks Romaine for bringing up this issue, because it's good to talk these
kind of things together with the whole community. It's a way to improve
collaboration, I hope.

Yes, this year WLM and FR will split banners in Semptember: we reached an
agreement in which
* 1-7 September: everyone see a WLM banner
 * 8-22 September: everyone see a fundraising banner
 * 23-30 September: the traffic will be split 50/50 between the WLM
campaign and the fundraising campaign. (50% of readers will see a
fundraising banner and 50% will see the WLM campaign.)

We asked also a bigger percentage of visibility during the last 2-3 days of
September, as they are very important days in terms of number of photo
uploads: we'll see if we manage to find an agreement also there.

I'd like to declare that the conversation with the fundraising team have
been nothing less than polite and contructive: at the same time, there *is*
a "banner conflict", and we will both suffer from this.
Last year (WLM 2014) we had the same problem, but in the end FR decided to
leave us the banner for the whole September, but the final days.

This year the conflict is on the whole month of September, and WLM in Italy
will definitely suffer (as it does also in normal conditions ;-).
This is a pity because:
* FR decided to use September months ago, and they are now in a rush and
cannot really change their plans
* WMIT decided to run WLM on September months ago as well, as it has done
for the past 4 years. WMIT also declared his plans on WLM in the FDC
appplication, reviewed in May. Knowing also that last year there was the
same issue, it's fair to say, I hope, that from WMIT part there was no lack
of communication.

I agree with Maarten that, in the end, it's WMF decision the one that
counts.
This is why we were firm in stating our position but did not put up a fight
(or a scene). We manage to reach a more favorable agreement for WLM (we
asked for the first and last week of September, as they are in our opinion
the most important).

What we plan to do now is discussing the issue also with the Funds
Dissemination Committee, as it will impact our goals and figures and
metrics. Moreover, we do have sponsors in Italy for WLM, and it will not be
easy to explain them if numbers drop dramatically.
Lorenzo will explain to you what WLM means in terms of organization and
management in Italy.

Of course, this is the last time this problem has to happen. If the WMF is
committed in running the FR banner in September in Italy (it seems it's the
most favorable month), WMIT will have to change WLM and run it in October.
I don't see other solutions.

I hope this mail cleared a bit the situation.

Cheers

Andrea Zanni
Wikimedia Italia

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net&gt; wrote:

...
  Is there not a method for time to be booked in advance
for these things?
 Like a year in advance, so projects can be planned properly and not
 crippled at the last minute?
 Peter

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 wikimedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Liam Wyatt
 Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015 10:06 PM
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 Cc: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked
 by WMF fundraising

 On Tuesday, 18 August 2015, attolippip &lt;attolippip(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

 Can we get the WMF comments about it publicly?

  The WMF Fundraising department asked me to submit my own comments and  feedback
from previous years that can be taken into account for the
 2015-16 fundraiser at:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas

 Some of the feedback is "perennial" - we have the same debates every year.
 But, if that is the page where the Fundraising team have requested
 comments about the forthcoming fundraiser be placed, then I suggest that
 people use it.

 -Liam

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