Le 03/07/2017 à 22:22, Ziko van Dijk a écrit :
Hello Mathias,
Thank you for the notice.
It happened by chance only Friday that we had a workshop for our Klexikon (Kinderlexikon, in German). The university Duisburg-Essen had invited Michael, Beat and me to talk about the wiki encyclopedia for children and have a workshop in which ca. 25 drafts were written.
The students (mostly future teachers) and university staff in our workshop were motivated especially because writing for a specific target group - children from 6 to 12 - relates to a key competence of a teacher. They found it tricky to conceive and write those drafts but found it an interesting challenge.
Of course such a workshop is quite different from a Wikipedia course - just because the Klexikon uses much less code. The Klexikon is also very different from the approach Vikidia represents.
I am very positive about our experience on Friday and am happy to talk with you about it.
Thanks for your response, for sure, students - future teachers are a good potential editors and people to be initiated to such a wiki. We had sometimes editing projects on Vikidia from these class, but without any of us.
Indeed, there is some differences in Klexikon and Vikidia approaches and the way they work. Vikidia aims to involve young people in building it. It is a nevertheless a intergenerational work. This side does quite well. I would say it is a natural way to be in society that we may miss in our modern countries, which sort pupils by age and often segregate ages groups. Child and teenager vikidian most often respect adults editors and appreciate to work and interact with them, which is reciprocal. We do have controversy and quarrels on Vikidia, typically on being rather lenient, tolerant toward the newbies or strict. Oddly, there is young and older people in each side of this kind of case...
Our weakness would rather be :
* one that you may find in any wiki or any group of volunteers: we are never as many and as active as we would wish ! * that quite a few articles may be too difficult for the age range we announce to write for, which is difficult to assess.
By the way, I would like to ask on this list: what do you think about Simple English Wikipedia, especially if English is your language? Is it a occasional resource and place to work in education programs? Maybe for younger people than higher education students, or for lack of subject to write on in Wikipedia?
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page is supposed to have complex content (adult level) written in Simple English. Simple English uses short sentences and a small number of words. It is written for educated people who are learning English. There is a good community at that wiki.
There is also https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikijunior which is simplified content (younger children) in age-appropriate language. It is written for native English speakers. I don't think that very many people are working on this project right now.
On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 2:02 PM Mathias Damour mathias.damour@gmx.fr wrote:
Le 03/07/2017 à 22:22, Ziko van Dijk a écrit :
Hello Mathias,
Thank you for the notice.
It happened by chance only Friday that we had a workshop for our Klexikon (Kinderlexikon, in German). The university Duisburg-Essen had invited Michael, Beat and me to talk about the wiki encyclopedia for children and have a workshop in which ca. 25 drafts were written.
The students (mostly future teachers) and university staff in our
workshop
were motivated especially because writing for a specific target group - children from 6 to 12 - relates to a key competence of a teacher. They found it tricky to conceive and write those drafts but found it an interesting challenge.
Of course such a workshop is quite different from a Wikipedia course -
just
because the Klexikon uses much less code. The Klexikon is also very different from the approach Vikidia represents.
I am very positive about our experience on Friday and am happy to talk
with
you about it.
Thanks for your response, for sure, students - future teachers are a good potential editors and people to be initiated to such a wiki. We had sometimes editing projects on Vikidia from these class, but without any of us.
Indeed, there is some differences in Klexikon and Vikidia approaches and the way they work. Vikidia aims to involve young people in building it. It is a nevertheless a intergenerational work. This side does quite well. I would say it is a natural way to be in society that we may miss in our modern countries, which sort pupils by age and often segregate ages groups. Child and teenager vikidian most often respect adults editors and appreciate to work and interact with them, which is reciprocal. We do have controversy and quarrels on Vikidia, typically on being rather lenient, tolerant toward the newbies or strict. Oddly, there is young and older people in each side of this kind of case...
Our weakness would rather be :
- one that you may find in any wiki or any group of volunteers: we are
never as many and as active as we would wish !
- that quite a few articles may be too difficult for the age range we
announce to write for, which is difficult to assess.
By the way, I would like to ask on this list: what do you think about Simple English Wikipedia, especially if English is your language? Is it a occasional resource and place to work in education programs? Maybe for younger people than higher education students, or for lack of subject to write on in Wikipedia?
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