I wanted to draw your attention in particular to this excellent post from Sophie Österberg from Wikimedia Sverige -- she's put together a very frank list of mistakes she's made and what she has learned from them. I highly encourage everyone to read the post and add your own learnings, either through commenting on the blog post or through discussion on this list. I think it would be great if we got better as a community of bravely sharing not only what goes well, but what doesn't, so that we can all learn from each others' experiences and not make the same mistakes!
Thanks, Sophie, for the great post:
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/02/14/wikipedia-education-program-sweden/
LiAnna
That is indeed a very interesting post. I can understand the author's feelings very well, it is very easy to overdo and overcomplicate the stuff. That's why we do everything on simple, purely functional basis; we refuse over-complicated guidelines, strict rules and formal complications. So far so good, the articles are not always top-quality, but they are still better then much of the articles already in there. See for yourself our recent changes: http://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD:Souvisej%C3%AD... Hope we will have a chance discuss these things in person ;-) Vojtech, Czech program "Students Write Wikipedia" (http://studenti.wikimedia.cz) ************************ Vojtěch Dostál Mail vojtech.dostal@centrum.cz vojtech.dostal@centrum.cz ______________________________________________________________
Od: "LiAnna Davis" ldavis@wikimedia.org Komu: Wikimedia Education education@lists.wikimedia.org Datum: 14.02.2013 19:56 Předmět: [Wikimedia Education] Post from Sweden on learnings
I wanted to draw your attention in particular to this excellent post from Sophie Österberg from Wikimedia Sverige -- she's put together a very frank list of mistakes she's made and what she has learned from them. I highly encourage everyone to read the post and add your own learnings, either through commenting on the blog post or through discussion on this list. I think it would be great if we got better as a community of bravely sharing not only what goes well, but what doesn't, so that we can all learn from each others' experiences and not make the same mistakes!Thanks, Sophie, for the great post:
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/02/14/wikipedia-education-program-sweden/ http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/02/14/wikipedia-education-program-sweden/LiAnna-- LiAnna Davis Wikipedia Education Program Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation http://education.wikimedia.org http://education.wikimedia.org/ (415) 839-6885 x6649 ldavis@wikimedia.org ldavis@wikimedia.org
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"Bravely sharing" - interesting choice of words.
-----Original Message----- From: LiAnna Davis ldavis@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Education education@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:56 am Subject: [Wikimedia Education] Post from Sweden on learnings
I wanted to draw your attention in particular to this excellent post from Sophie Österberg from Wikimedia Sverige -- she's put together a very frank list of mistakes she's made and what she has learned from them. I highly encourage everyone to read the post and add your own learnings, either through commenting on the blog post or through discussion on this list. I think it would be great if we got better as a community of bravely sharing not only what goes well, but what doesn't, so that we can all learn from each others' experiences and not make the same mistakes!
Thanks, Sophie, for the great post:
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/02/14/wikipedia-education-program-sweden/
LiAnna
Great post indeed! I've made the same mistakes myself... We Wikimedians tend to assume that EVERYONE shares our enthusiasm and passion for CONTRIBUTING to (not plain "using") Wikipedia and participating in wiki-communities, when that is simply not the case. Have a look at the "Wikipedia Quick Start Guide" that I put together for a European workshop for educators in Prague two years ago. It was the product of "brainstorming" how to get my audience involved "on the spot" (I only had 45 minutes). Perhaps someone might find it useful...
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editing_workshops/Prague_ (Czech_Republic),_Spice_Summer_Academy,_August_28,_2011
Greetings from Greece Mina ("Saintfevrier")
On Feb 14, 2013, at 8:55 PM, LiAnna Davis wrote:
I wanted to draw your attention in particular to this excellent post from Sophie Österberg from Wikimedia Sverige -- she's put together a very frank list of mistakes she's made and what she has learned from them. I highly encourage everyone to read the post and add your own learnings, either through commenting on the blog post or through discussion on this list. I think it would be great if we got better as a community of bravely sharing not only what goes well, but what doesn't, so that we can all learn from each others' experiences and not make the same mistakes!
Thanks, Sophie, for the great post:
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/02/14/wikipedia-education-program- sweden/
LiAnna
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Many thanks to Sophie and LiAnna for the post!
Indeed, my experience also leads to similar conclusions. Not everyone will be hooked in the same way we did to Wikipedia. Consider the percentage of recurring editors with the total number of readers - I guess it's probably the same as the results we get in a class. So if one or two students get truly contaminated with the Wikipedia virus, so to speak, it's already a huge plus.
But this doesn't mean we're failing in our goals, at all. It's amazing when we realize that most people actually don't understand what Wikipedia is. First we should understand the idea of a free wiki encyclopedia - there's a lot to discuss about these three words, for a start! Then the students can become better users - and editors, even if just in that occasion.
It's easy to get carried on by our excitement with the new. I'm seeing the same thing with the MOOCs right now (not just here on the list, but everywhere). I don't mean to say that it is wrong to do so, but we do have to remember that everyone have different paces, goals and levels of interest. I for one am very excited, just like the rest of us. ; )
Juliana.
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Μίνα Θεοφιλάτου theoth@otenet.gr wrote:
Great post indeed! I've made the same mistakes myself... We Wikimedians tend to assume that EVERYONE shares our enthusiasm and passion for CONTRIBUTING to (not plain "using") Wikipedia and participating in wiki-communities, when that is simply not the case. Have a look at the "Wikipedia Quick Start Guide" that I put together for a European workshop for educators in Prague two years ago. It was the product of "brainstorming" how to get my audience involved "on the spot" (I only had 45 minutes). Perhaps someone might find it useful...
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editing_workshops/Prague_(Czech_Republic)...
Greetings from Greece Mina ("Saintfevrier")
On Feb 14, 2013, at 8:55 PM, LiAnna Davis wrote:
I wanted to draw your attention in particular to this excellent post from Sophie Österberg from Wikimedia Sverige -- she's put together a very frank list of mistakes she's made and what she has learned from them. I highly encourage everyone to read the post and add your own learnings, either through commenting on the blog post or through discussion on this list. I think it would be great if we got better as a community of bravely sharing not only what goes well, but what doesn't, so that we can all learn from each others' experiences and not make the same mistakes!
Thanks, Sophie, for the great post:
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/02/14/wikipedia-education-program-sweden/
LiAnna
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