Hello Plyd, This concerns has been debated with the legal team at the WMF and are unfounded. First of all, now we have underage editors on Wikipedia, and their data is safe: you don't need to give your e-mail to make an account and even if you give it, you CAN'T have an e-mail account on most platforms if you are under 13 years old. Children with an e-mail account MUST have their parents supervision or a family account, so in the very remote case that someone writes you a message from Wikipedia, it should be handled by their family.
On the other hand, children and adults are also mixed now on Vikidia. Basque Vikidia was written only by adults, for example. Now, with Txikipedia, adults and children are writting it together with zero problems, and lot of confidence.
You also mention that there are legal concerns for contributing to a wiki if you are under 13 years old... well, as far as we know, and the legal team has said... there aren't. As we are not asking for personal data to contribute to Wikimedia, we have now people under 13 years old contributing, and it will continue happening as long as we don't forbid it asking for birth data certificates.
The problem arises in the first sentence of this e-mail: "Most of you must know Vikidia,". Well, most of us maybe (and not very sure of that) but most of the readers definitively not. Wikipedia is the most consulted Encyclopedia by children, so we have to face how to give this children content suitable for them, because "Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge." Bolds are mine, cursives not. Children are also human, and our goal is giving knowledge to every human, so we must provide knowledge to children.
I defend abundancy. Having Vikidia and Txikipedia is better than having only Vikidia or Txikipedia and is definitively better than anything. But we can start thinking out of the box. Basque Vikidia wasn't a known project, even by educators; Txikipedia is. We had more than 59.000 visits last year to Txikipedia articles, and this is a lot for a minority language. Txikipedia main page is every day one of the ten most visited pages in Basque. And we are just starting. We can imagine a future where we provide knowledge for different ages and abilities within the same platform. We are doing it, and you can also do it.
thanks
Galder
________________________________ From: Plyd wiki.vincent@amplyd.com Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:59 PM To: Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga Cc: education@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and Portugese
Hello Galder,
Txikipedia tab way may work on small communities, but it poses several problems to larger communities, where children contributors are melted with adults from wikipedia and not taken care of properly, and they don't feel like it's "their wiki". Also, Txikipedia tab lacks children protection (for example you can send a private email to a child on Txikipedia...). Finally there are legal concerns about children <13y-old contributions on a US-based wiki without their explicit parent authorization (USA have a very specific way of handling it). I think a better way of handling it would be to integrate better Vikidia and Wikipedia, but keeping them separated. Nothing prevents adding a tab on Vikidia and Wikipedia neither going further. I think the question is similar to integrate Wiktionary on Wikipedia. Also, we are working to improve the design of Vikidia. Txikipedia have shown us that we can do something really handsome :)
Best, Plyd
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:24 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <galder158@hotmail.commailto:galder158@hotmail.com> wrote: Great news! Basque Wikipedia has a better (as statistics show) approach to this with Txikipedia (https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Txikipedia:Azala), creating articles INSIDE Wikipedia. Children now can read the full article or the children version of the article.
I would suggest other languages to have this tab system, the results are great!
Sincerely
Galder
________________________________ From: Education <education-bounces@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:education-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org> on behalf of Houcemeddine A. Turki <turkiabdelwaheb@hotmail.frmailto:turkiabdelwaheb@hotmail.fr> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 2:55 PM To: Plyd; education@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:education@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and Portugese
Dear Mr., I thank you for your answer. I ask if you are interesting in launching an Arabic edition of Vikidia. Yours Sincerely, Houcemeddine Turki (he/him) Medical Student, Faculty of Medicine of Sfax, University of Sfax, Tunisia Undergraduate Researcher, UR12SP36 GLAM and Education Coordinator, Wikimedia TN User Group Member, WikiResearch Tunisia Member, Wiki Project Med Member, WikiIndaba Steering Committee Member, Wikimedia and Library User Group Steering Committee Co-Founder, WikiLingua Maghreb Founder, TunSci ____________________ +21629499418
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Dear Education community,
Most of you must know Vikidia, the children encyclopedia since we sometimes send messages here (in a few words, it works like Wikipedia, but with a few adaptations to be suitable for children).
The 8-13 y-old encyclopedia grows fast in French, Spanish and Italian, a bit less in English with the competition of simple. We regularly open new languages when we have a group of contributors motivated.
Currently we have a group in Japanese and Portuguese. Do you have contacts of persons interested for the start? or contacts who may know future contributors?
Great thanks for any tip
Best, Plyd https://www.vikidia.org _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
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Hello,
Of course, now I have to join the conversation promoting "our" concept for a wiki for children. :-) The Klexikon might have a different approach than a wiki that tries to involve children as authors. We tried to have children as authors, but it seemed that we did not have the means to accompany them in a useful way. And there are general issues with having children working on the same platform as the adults, as it has been pointed out before. It is a fundamental choice: do you want to create a wiki that provides quality content for children, or do you want to have a learning platform for children.
Kind regards Ziko
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon
Am Mi., 19. Juni 2019 um 16:24 Uhr schrieb Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder158@hotmail.com>:
Hello Plyd, This concerns has been debated with the legal team at the WMF and are unfounded. First of all, now we have underage editors on Wikipedia, and their data is safe: you don't need to give your e-mail to make an account and even if you give it, you CAN'T have an e-mail account on most platforms if you are under 13 years old. Children with an e-mail account MUST have their parents supervision or a family account, so in the very remote case that someone writes you a message from Wikipedia, it should be handled by their family.
On the other hand, children and adults are also mixed now on Vikidia. Basque Vikidia was written only by adults, for example. Now, with Txikipedia, adults and children are writting it together with zero problems, and lot of confidence.
You also mention that there are legal concerns for contributing to a wiki if you are under 13 years old... well, as far as we know, and the legal team has said... there aren't. As we are not asking for personal data to contribute to Wikimedia, we have now people under 13 years old contributing, and it will continue happening as long as we don't forbid it asking for birth data certificates.
The problem arises in the first sentence of this e-mail: "Most of you must know Vikidia,". Well, most of us maybe (and not very sure of that) but most of the readers definitively not. Wikipedia is the most consulted Encyclopedia by children, so we have to face how to give this children content suitable for them, because "Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge." Bolds are mine, cursives not. Children are also human, and our goal is giving knowledge to every human, so we must provide knowledge to children.
I defend abundancy. Having Vikidia and Txikipedia is better than having only Vikidia or Txikipedia and is definitively better than anything. But we can start thinking out of the box. Basque Vikidia wasn't a known project, even by educators; Txikipedia is. We had more than 59.000 visits last year to Txikipedia articles, and this is a lot for a minority language. Txikipedia main page is every day one of the ten most visited pages in Basque. And we are just starting. We can imagine a future where we provide knowledge for different ages and abilities within the same platform. We are doing it, and you can also do it.
thanks
Galder
From: Plyd wiki.vincent@amplyd.com Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:59 PM To: Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga Cc: education@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and Portugese
Hello Galder,
Txikipedia tab way may work on small communities, but it poses several problems to larger communities, where children contributors are melted with adults from wikipedia and not taken care of properly, and they don't feel like it's "their wiki". Also, Txikipedia tab lacks children protection (for example you can send a private email to a child on Txikipedia...). Finally there are legal concerns about children <13y-old contributions on a US-based wiki without their explicit parent authorization (USA have a very specific way of handling it). I think a better way of handling it would be to integrate better Vikidia and Wikipedia, but keeping them separated. Nothing prevents adding a tab on Vikidia and Wikipedia neither going further. I think the question is similar to integrate Wiktionary on Wikipedia. Also, we are working to improve the design of Vikidia. Txikipedia have shown us that we can do something really handsome :)
Best, Plyd
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:24 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder158@hotmail.commailto:galder158@hotmail.com> wrote: Great news! Basque Wikipedia has a better (as statistics show) approach to this with Txikipedia (https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Txikipedia:Azala), creating articles INSIDE Wikipedia. Children now can read the full article or the children version of the article.
I would suggest other languages to have this tab system, the results are great!
Sincerely
Galder
From: Education <education-bounces@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto: education-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org> on behalf of Houcemeddine A. Turki <turkiabdelwaheb@hotmail.frmailto:turkiabdelwaheb@hotmail.fr> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 2:55 PM To: Plyd; education@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto: education@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and Portugese
Dear Mr., I thank you for your answer. I ask if you are interesting in launching an Arabic edition of Vikidia. Yours Sincerely, Houcemeddine Turki (he/him) Medical Student, Faculty of Medicine of Sfax, University of Sfax, Tunisia Undergraduate Researcher, UR12SP36 GLAM and Education Coordinator, Wikimedia TN User Group Member, WikiResearch Tunisia Member, Wiki Project Med Member, WikiIndaba Steering Committee Member, Wikimedia and Library User Group Steering Committee Co-Founder, WikiLingua Maghreb Founder, TunSci ____________________ +21629499418
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Dear Education community,
Most of you must know Vikidia, the children encyclopedia since we sometimes send messages here (in a few words, it works like Wikipedia, but with a few adaptations to be suitable for children).
The 8-13 y-old encyclopedia grows fast in French, Spanish and Italian, a bit less in English with the competition of simple. We regularly open new languages when we have a group of contributors motivated.
Currently we have a group in Japanese and Portuguese. Do you have contacts of persons interested for the start? or contacts who may know future contributors?
Great thanks for any tip
Best, Plyd https://www.vikidia.org _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
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Hello Ziko,
Thank your for your feedback on Klexikon, how does it go there?
On what we saw on Vikidia, we can do both, provide quality content for children, and be a learning platform. Actually, be a learning platform is a way to provide quality content for children. On French-speaking Vikidia, most of the best contributors we have today were children when they started, and I can confirm they sometimes were hard to manage. But it was definitly worth it. Also, children write on different subjects than adults, especially for trendy subjects for children that we would have forgotten. Last thing to add, in a wiki way, every article is corrected by experienced contributors and thus we keep a quality content.
Best, Plyd
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 4:41 PM Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Of course, now I have to join the conversation promoting "our" concept for a wiki for children. :-) The Klexikon might have a different approach than a wiki that tries to involve children as authors. We tried to have children as authors, but it seemed that we did not have the means to accompany them in a useful way. And there are general issues with having children working on the same platform as the adults, as it has been pointed out before. It is a fundamental choice: do you want to create a wiki that provides quality content for children, or do you want to have a learning platform for children.
Kind regards Ziko
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon
Am Mi., 19. Juni 2019 um 16:24 Uhr schrieb Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder158@hotmail.com>:
Hello Plyd, This concerns has been debated with the legal team at the WMF and are unfounded. First of all, now we have underage editors on Wikipedia, and their data is safe: you don't need to give your e-mail to make an account and even if you give it, you CAN'T have an e-mail account on most
platforms
if you are under 13 years old. Children with an e-mail account MUST have their parents supervision or a family account, so in the very remote case that someone writes you a message from Wikipedia, it should be handled by their family.
On the other hand, children and adults are also mixed now on Vikidia. Basque Vikidia was written only by adults, for example. Now, with Txikipedia, adults and children are writting it together with zero problems, and lot of confidence.
You also mention that there are legal concerns for contributing to a wiki if you are under 13 years old... well, as far as we know, and the legal team has said... there aren't. As we are not asking for personal data to contribute to Wikimedia, we have now people under 13 years old contributing, and it will continue happening as long as we don't forbid
it
asking for birth data certificates.
The problem arises in the first sentence of this e-mail: "Most of you
must
know Vikidia,". Well, most of us maybe (and not very sure of that) but
most
of the readers definitively not. Wikipedia is the most consulted Encyclopedia by children, so we have to face how to give this children content suitable for them, because "Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge." Bolds are
mine,
cursives not. Children are also human, and our goal is giving knowledge
to
every human, so we must provide knowledge to children.
I defend abundancy. Having Vikidia and Txikipedia is better than having only Vikidia or Txikipedia and is definitively better than anything. But
we
can start thinking out of the box. Basque Vikidia wasn't a known project, even by educators; Txikipedia is. We had more than 59.000 visits last
year
to Txikipedia articles, and this is a lot for a minority language. Txikipedia main page is every day one of the ten most visited pages in Basque. And we are just starting. We can imagine a future where we
provide
knowledge for different ages and abilities within the same platform. We
are
doing it, and you can also do it.
thanks
Galder
From: Plyd wiki.vincent@amplyd.com Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:59 PM To: Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga Cc: education@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and Portugese
Hello Galder,
Txikipedia tab way may work on small communities, but it poses several problems to larger communities, where children contributors are melted
with
adults from wikipedia and not taken care of properly, and they don't feel like it's "their wiki". Also, Txikipedia tab lacks children protection
(for
example you can send a private email to a child on Txikipedia...).
Finally
there are legal concerns about children <13y-old contributions on a US-based wiki without their explicit parent authorization (USA have a
very
specific way of handling it). I think a better way of handling it would be to integrate better Vikidia and Wikipedia, but keeping them separated. Nothing prevents adding a tab
on
Vikidia and Wikipedia neither going further. I think the question is similar to integrate Wiktionary on Wikipedia. Also, we are working to improve the design of Vikidia. Txikipedia have shown us that we can do something really handsome :)
Best, Plyd
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:24 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder158@hotmail.commailto:galder158@hotmail.com> wrote: Great news! Basque Wikipedia has a better (as statistics show) approach to this with Txikipedia (https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Txikipedia:Azala), creating articles INSIDE Wikipedia. Children now can read the full article or the children version of the article.
I would suggest other languages to have this tab system, the results are great!
Sincerely
Galder
From: Education <education-bounces@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto: education-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org> on behalf of Houcemeddine A. Turki <turkiabdelwaheb@hotmail.frmailto:turkiabdelwaheb@hotmail.fr> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 2:55 PM To: Plyd; education@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto: education@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and Portugese
Dear Mr., I thank you for your answer. I ask if you are interesting in launching an Arabic edition of Vikidia. Yours Sincerely, Houcemeddine Turki (he/him) Medical Student, Faculty of Medicine of Sfax, University of Sfax, Tunisia Undergraduate Researcher, UR12SP36 GLAM and Education Coordinator, Wikimedia TN User Group Member, WikiResearch Tunisia Member, Wiki Project Med Member, WikiIndaba Steering Committee Member, Wikimedia and Library User Group Steering Committee Co-Founder, WikiLingua Maghreb Founder, TunSci ____________________ +21629499418
-------- Message d'origine -------- De : Plyd <wiki.vincent@amplyd.commailto:wiki.vincent@amplyd.com> Date : 2019/06/19 13:06 (GMT+01:00) À : education@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:education@lists.wikimedia.org Objet : [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and Portugese
Dear Education community,
Most of you must know Vikidia, the children encyclopedia since we
sometimes
send messages here (in a few words, it works like Wikipedia, but with a
few
adaptations to be suitable for children).
The 8-13 y-old encyclopedia grows fast in French, Spanish and Italian, a bit less in English with the competition of simple. We regularly open new languages when we have a group of contributors motivated.
Currently we have a group in Japanese and Portuguese. Do you have
contacts
of persons interested for the start? or contacts who may know future contributors?
Great thanks for any tip
Best, Plyd https://www.vikidia.org _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
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Why did not I participate in the virtual meetings?
I still do not speak very well, I had a stroke in 2015, but the problem is only motor, intellectually it never affected me.
Anyway, I wanted to announce that we are about to publish a book in Uruguay, the title, Wikipedia in Education.
The book is almost soon, in the hands of the designer, will be published in Spanish and English. And it will be free, like the drawings that already appear in Commons. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cartoons_by_Ricardo_Pisano?fbcli...
When I left the sanatorium, after the operation and hospitalization, due to a congenital brain aneurysm, I left the sanatorium in a wheelchair and I could not speak at all. Now, after the rehabilitation, in six months I was able to walk again and they understand me quite well. According to the otorhinolaryngologist I went to a few days ago, the left vocal cord that had her paralyzed, I am beginning to move with physiotherapy, so she announced that with more physiotherapy and time I could speak well.
That's why I participate little in these virtual meetings.
Regards Fernando
Hi Fernando,
It's exciting that you have a book coming out! Also, very understandable why you are not participating in the virtual meetings. If you feel up to it, we'd be happy to have you, and you could participate by typing.
Thanks for your contributions to our community :)
Nichole
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:06 PM Fernando Da Rosa Morena < fernando.darosa@gmail.com> wrote:
Why did not I participate in the virtual meetings?
I still do not speak very well, I had a stroke in 2015, but the problem is only motor, intellectually it never affected me.
Anyway, I wanted to announce that we are about to publish a book in Uruguay, the title, Wikipedia in Education.
The book is almost soon, in the hands of the designer, will be published in Spanish and English. And it will be free, like the drawings that already appear in Commons.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cartoons_by_Ricardo_Pisano?fbcli...
When I left the sanatorium, after the operation and hospitalization, due to a congenital brain aneurysm, I left the sanatorium in a wheelchair and I could not speak at all. Now, after the rehabilitation, in six months I was able to walk again and they understand me quite well. According to the otorhinolaryngologist I went to a few days ago, the left vocal cord that had her paralyzed, I am beginning to move with physiotherapy, so she announced that with more physiotherapy and time I could speak well.
That's why I participate little in these virtual meetings.
Regards Fernando
--
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Hi Nichole:
Thanks.
El El lun, 24 de jun. de 2019 a las 10:55, Nichole Saad nsaad@wikimedia.org escribió:
Hi Fernando,
It's exciting that you have a book coming out! Also, very understandable why you are not participating in the virtual meetings. If you feel up to it, we'd be happy to have you, and you could participate by typing.
Thanks for your contributions to our community :)
Nichole
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:06 PM Fernando Da Rosa Morena < fernando.darosa@gmail.com> wrote:
Why did not I participate in the virtual meetings?
I still do not speak very well, I had a stroke in 2015, but the problem is only motor, intellectually it never affected me.
Anyway, I wanted to announce that we are about to publish a book in Uruguay, the title, Wikipedia in Education.
The book is almost soon, in the hands of the designer, will be published in Spanish and English. And it will be free, like the drawings that already appear in Commons.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cartoons_by_Ricardo_Pisano?fbcli...
When I left the sanatorium, after the operation and hospitalization, due to a congenital brain aneurysm, I left the sanatorium in a wheelchair and I could not speak at all. Now, after the rehabilitation, in six months I was able to walk again and they understand me quite well. According to the otorhinolaryngologist I went to a few days ago, the left vocal cord that had her paralyzed, I am beginning to move with physiotherapy, so she announced that with more physiotherapy and time I could speak well.
That's why I participate little in these virtual meetings.
Regards Fernando
--
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Congrats, Fernando! Very exciting news. Maybe you can tell us about it in the next Open Meeting the Wikipedia & Education User Group is hosting.
Best, Shani.
----------------------------------------------- *Shani Evenstein Sigalov* * Lecturer, Tel Aviv University. * EdTech Innovation Strategist, NY/American Medical Program, Sackler School of Medicine, Tel Aviv University. * PhD Candidate, School of Education, Tel Aviv University. * OER & Emerging Technologies Coordinator, UNESCO Chair https://education.tau.ac.il/node/3495 on Technology, Internationalization and Education, School of Education, Tel Aviv University https://education.tau.ac.il/node/3495. * Chairperson, WikiProject Medicine Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Project_Med. * Chairperson, Wikipedia & Education User Group https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_%26_Education_User_Group. * Chairperson, The Hebrew Literature Digitization Society http://www.israelgives.org/amuta/580428621. * Chief Editor, Project Ben-Yehuda http://bybe.benyehuda.org. +972-525640648
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 8:30 PM Fernando Da Rosa Morena < fernando.darosa@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Nichole:
Thanks.
El El lun, 24 de jun. de 2019 a las 10:55, Nichole Saad < nsaad@wikimedia.org> escribió:
Hi Fernando,
It's exciting that you have a book coming out! Also, very understandable why you are not participating in the virtual meetings. If you feel up to it, we'd be happy to have you, and you could participate by typing.
Thanks for your contributions to our community :)
Nichole
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:06 PM Fernando Da Rosa Morena < fernando.darosa@gmail.com> wrote:
Why did not I participate in the virtual meetings?
I still do not speak very well, I had a stroke in 2015, but the problem is only motor, intellectually it never affected me.
Anyway, I wanted to announce that we are about to publish a book in Uruguay, the title, Wikipedia in Education.
The book is almost soon, in the hands of the designer, will be published in Spanish and English. And it will be free, like the drawings that already appear in Commons.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cartoons_by_Ricardo_Pisano?fbcli...
When I left the sanatorium, after the operation and hospitalization, due to a congenital brain aneurysm, I left the sanatorium in a wheelchair and I could not speak at all. Now, after the rehabilitation, in six months I was able to walk again and they understand me quite well. According to the otorhinolaryngologist I went to a few days ago, the left vocal cord that had her paralyzed, I am beginning to move with physiotherapy, so she announced that with more physiotherapy and time I could speak well.
That's why I participate little in these virtual meetings.
Regards Fernando
--
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--
Fernando da Rosa fernando.darosa@gmail.com https://www.fedaro.info/ _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Shani:
Ok. Thanks.
Best Fernando
El El lun, 24 de jun. de 2019 a las 14:35, Shani Evenstein < shani.even@gmail.com> escribió:
Congrats, Fernando! Very exciting news. Maybe you can tell us about it in the next Open Meeting the Wikipedia & Education User Group is hosting.
Best, Shani.
*Shani Evenstein Sigalov*
- Lecturer, Tel Aviv University.
- EdTech Innovation Strategist, NY/American Medical Program, Sackler School
of Medicine, Tel Aviv University.
- PhD Candidate, School of Education, Tel Aviv University.
- OER & Emerging Technologies Coordinator, UNESCO Chair
https://education.tau.ac.il/node/3495 on Technology, Internationalization and Education, School of Education, Tel Aviv University https://education.tau.ac.il/node/3495.
- Chairperson, WikiProject Medicine Foundation
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Project_Med.
- Chairperson, Wikipedia & Education User Group
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_%26_Education_User_Group.
- Chairperson, The Hebrew Literature Digitization Society
http://www.israelgives.org/amuta/580428621.
- Chief Editor, Project Ben-Yehuda http://bybe.benyehuda.org.
+972-525640648
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 8:30 PM Fernando Da Rosa Morena < fernando.darosa@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Nichole:
Thanks.
El El lun, 24 de jun. de 2019 a las 10:55, Nichole Saad < nsaad@wikimedia.org> escribió:
Hi Fernando,
It's exciting that you have a book coming out! Also, very
understandable
why you are not participating in the virtual meetings. If you feel up
to
it, we'd be happy to have you, and you could participate by typing.
Thanks for your contributions to our community :)
Nichole
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:06 PM Fernando Da Rosa Morena < fernando.darosa@gmail.com> wrote:
Why did not I participate in the virtual meetings?
I still do not speak very well, I had a stroke in 2015, but the problem is only motor, intellectually it never affected me.
Anyway, I wanted to announce that we are about to publish a book in Uruguay, the title, Wikipedia in Education.
The book is almost soon, in the hands of the designer, will be published in Spanish and English. And it will be free, like the drawings that already appear in Commons.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cartoons_by_Ricardo_Pisano?fbcli...
When I left the sanatorium, after the operation and hospitalization, due to a congenital brain aneurysm, I left the sanatorium in a wheelchair and I could not speak at all. Now, after the rehabilitation, in six months I was able to walk again and they understand me quite well. According to the otorhinolaryngologist I went to a few days ago, the left vocal cord that had her paralyzed, I am beginning to move with physiotherapy, so she announced that with more physiotherapy and time I could speak well.
That's why I participate little in these virtual meetings.
Regards Fernando
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congratulations I am also excited to get the English version and I am hoping to get it translated to Farsi quickly.
Mardetanha
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 11:27 PM Fernando Da Rosa Morena < fernando.darosa@gmail.com> wrote:
Shani:
Ok. Thanks.
Best Fernando
El El lun, 24 de jun. de 2019 a las 14:35, Shani Evenstein < shani.even@gmail.com> escribió:
Congrats, Fernando! Very exciting news. Maybe you can tell us about it in the next Open Meeting the Wikipedia & Education User Group is hosting.
Best, Shani.
*Shani Evenstein Sigalov*
- Lecturer, Tel Aviv University.
- EdTech Innovation Strategist, NY/American Medical Program, Sackler
School
of Medicine, Tel Aviv University.
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_%26_Education_User_Group.
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On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 8:30 PM Fernando Da Rosa Morena < fernando.darosa@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Nichole:
Thanks.
El El lun, 24 de jun. de 2019 a las 10:55, Nichole Saad < nsaad@wikimedia.org> escribió:
Hi Fernando,
It's exciting that you have a book coming out! Also, very
understandable
why you are not participating in the virtual meetings. If you feel up
to
it, we'd be happy to have you, and you could participate by typing.
Thanks for your contributions to our community :)
Nichole
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:06 PM Fernando Da Rosa Morena < fernando.darosa@gmail.com> wrote:
Why did not I participate in the virtual meetings?
I still do not speak very well, I had a stroke in 2015, but the problem is only motor, intellectually it never affected me.
Anyway, I wanted to announce that we are about to publish a book in Uruguay, the title, Wikipedia in Education.
The book is almost soon, in the hands of the designer, will be published in Spanish and English. And it will be free, like the drawings that already appear in Commons.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cartoons_by_Ricardo_Pisano?fbcli...
When I left the sanatorium, after the operation and
hospitalization,
due to a congenital brain aneurysm, I left the sanatorium in a wheelchair and I could not speak at all. Now, after the rehabilitation, in six months I was able to walk again and they understand me quite well. According to the otorhinolaryngologist I went to a few days ago, the left vocal cord that had her
paralyzed, I
am beginning to move with physiotherapy, so she announced that with more physiotherapy and time I could speak well.
That's why I participate little in these virtual meetings.
Regards Fernando
--
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Hello,
Klexikon is fine, and I fondly remember our exchanges and experiences in San Sebastian at Wikipedia+Education conference: https://vimeo.com/manage/335048428/general
On quality, it is possible to have different opinions. :-) I understand that the approaches and methods are different, and being happy with the results is always the most important.
Kind regards Ziko
Am Do., 20. Juni 2019 um 11:01 Uhr schrieb Plyd wiki.vincent@amplyd.com:
Hello Ziko,
Thank your for your feedback on Klexikon, how does it go there?
On what we saw on Vikidia, we can do both, provide quality content for children, and be a learning platform. Actually, be a learning platform is a way to provide quality content for children. On French-speaking Vikidia, most of the best contributors we have today were children when they started, and I can confirm they sometimes were hard to manage. But it was definitly worth it. Also, children write on different subjects than adults, especially for trendy subjects for children that we would have forgotten. Last thing to add, in a wiki way, every article is corrected by experienced contributors and thus we keep a quality content.
Best, Plyd
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 4:41 PM Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Of course, now I have to join the conversation promoting "our" concept
for
a wiki for children. :-) The Klexikon might have a different approach
than
a wiki that tries to involve children as authors. We tried to have children as authors, but it seemed that we did not have the means to accompany them in a useful way. And there are general issues with having children working on the same platform as the adults, as it
has
been pointed out before. It is a fundamental choice: do you want to create a wiki that provides quality content for children, or do you want to have a learning platform for children.
Kind regards Ziko
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon
Am Mi., 19. Juni 2019 um 16:24 Uhr schrieb Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder158@hotmail.com>:
Hello Plyd, This concerns has been debated with the legal team at the WMF and are unfounded. First of all, now we have underage editors on Wikipedia, and their data is safe: you don't need to give your e-mail to make an
account
and even if you give it, you CAN'T have an e-mail account on most
platforms
if you are under 13 years old. Children with an e-mail account MUST
have
their parents supervision or a family account, so in the very remote
case
that someone writes you a message from Wikipedia, it should be handled
by
their family.
On the other hand, children and adults are also mixed now on Vikidia. Basque Vikidia was written only by adults, for example. Now, with Txikipedia, adults and children are writting it together with zero problems, and lot of confidence.
You also mention that there are legal concerns for contributing to a
wiki
if you are under 13 years old... well, as far as we know, and the legal team has said... there aren't. As we are not asking for personal data
to
contribute to Wikimedia, we have now people under 13 years old contributing, and it will continue happening as long as we don't forbid
it
asking for birth data certificates.
The problem arises in the first sentence of this e-mail: "Most of you
must
know Vikidia,". Well, most of us maybe (and not very sure of that) but
most
of the readers definitively not. Wikipedia is the most consulted Encyclopedia by children, so we have to face how to give this children content suitable for them, because "Imagine a world in which every
single
human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge." Bolds are
mine,
cursives not. Children are also human, and our goal is giving knowledge
to
every human, so we must provide knowledge to children.
I defend abundancy. Having Vikidia and Txikipedia is better than having only Vikidia or Txikipedia and is definitively better than anything.
But
we
can start thinking out of the box. Basque Vikidia wasn't a known
project,
even by educators; Txikipedia is. We had more than 59.000 visits last
year
to Txikipedia articles, and this is a lot for a minority language. Txikipedia main page is every day one of the ten most visited pages in Basque. And we are just starting. We can imagine a future where we
provide
knowledge for different ages and abilities within the same platform. We
are
doing it, and you can also do it.
thanks
Galder
From: Plyd wiki.vincent@amplyd.com Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:59 PM To: Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga Cc: education@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and Portugese
Hello Galder,
Txikipedia tab way may work on small communities, but it poses several problems to larger communities, where children contributors are melted
with
adults from wikipedia and not taken care of properly, and they don't
feel
like it's "their wiki". Also, Txikipedia tab lacks children protection
(for
example you can send a private email to a child on Txikipedia...).
Finally
there are legal concerns about children <13y-old contributions on a US-based wiki without their explicit parent authorization (USA have a
very
specific way of handling it). I think a better way of handling it would be to integrate better
Vikidia
and Wikipedia, but keeping them separated. Nothing prevents adding a
tab
on
Vikidia and Wikipedia neither going further. I think the question is similar to integrate Wiktionary on Wikipedia. Also, we are working to improve the design of Vikidia. Txikipedia have shown us that we can do something really handsome :)
Best, Plyd
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:24 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder158@hotmail.commailto:galder158@hotmail.com> wrote: Great news! Basque Wikipedia has a better (as statistics show) approach to this
with
Txikipedia (https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Txikipedia:Azala), creating articles INSIDE Wikipedia. Children now can read the full article or
the
children version of the article.
I would suggest other languages to have this tab system, the results
are
great!
Sincerely
Galder
From: Education <education-bounces@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto: education-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org> on behalf of Houcemeddine A. Turki <turkiabdelwaheb@hotmail.frmailto:turkiabdelwaheb@hotmail.fr> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 2:55 PM To: Plyd; education@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto: education@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and Portugese
Dear Mr., I thank you for your answer. I ask if you are interesting in launching
an
Arabic edition of Vikidia. Yours Sincerely, Houcemeddine Turki (he/him) Medical Student, Faculty of Medicine of Sfax, University of Sfax,
Tunisia
Undergraduate Researcher, UR12SP36 GLAM and Education Coordinator, Wikimedia TN User Group Member, WikiResearch Tunisia Member, Wiki Project Med Member, WikiIndaba Steering Committee Member, Wikimedia and Library User Group Steering Committee Co-Founder, WikiLingua Maghreb Founder, TunSci ____________________ +21629499418
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Objet : [Wikimedia Education] Vikidia opening in Japanese and Portugese
Dear Education community,
Most of you must know Vikidia, the children encyclopedia since we
sometimes
send messages here (in a few words, it works like Wikipedia, but with a
few
adaptations to be suitable for children).
The 8-13 y-old encyclopedia grows fast in French, Spanish and Italian,
a
bit less in English with the competition of simple. We regularly open
new
languages when we have a group of contributors motivated.
Currently we have a group in Japanese and Portuguese. Do you have
contacts
of persons interested for the start? or contacts who may know future contributors?
Great thanks for any tip
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