The current Greenhouse course is running on Moodle. Where can I get more information on the use of Moodle by Wikimedia projects?
Cheers,
Peter
On 13 July 2019 at 10:47 Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote:
The current Greenhouse course is running on Moodle. Where can I get more information on the use of Moodle by Wikimedia projects?
I was involved in developing Moodle content for Wikimedia UK in the period 2012 to 2014. As the domain moodle.wikimedia.org.uk is currently offline, there is nothing to show for this project right now. There is some accumulated experience in the practical side of hosting Moodle.
Charles
The WMF Education team is indeed using Moodle to develope the Greenhouse online course on Wikipedia. CCing Nichole Saad & Melissa who can share more details.
Best, Shani.
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019, 17:21 Charles Matthews via Education < education@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
On 13 July 2019 at 10:47 Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net
wrote:
The current Greenhouse course is running on Moodle. Where can I get more information on the use of Moodle by Wikimedia projects?
I was involved in developing Moodle content for Wikimedia UK in the period 2012 to 2014. As the domain moodle.wikimedia.org.uk is currently offline, there is nothing to show for this project right now. There is some accumulated experience in the practical side of hosting Moodle.
Charles
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
To follow-up what Federico Leva said, Wikimedia Italia and Wikimedia CH did an analysis to check the best platform for a MOOC.
Moodle is good for small classes and for well targeted trainings but cannot be "massive" because its architecture is not to be massive.
Anyways Moodle comes with a lot of gadgets and plugins.
Kind regards
Hi Peter,
Can you be more specific on the kind of information you are looking for? With more details we can be of more assistance.
all the best,
Nichole
On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 6:44 PM Ilario Valdelli ivaldelli@wikimedia.ch wrote:
To follow-up what Federico Leva said, Wikimedia Italia and Wikimedia CH did an analysis to check the best platform for a MOOC.
Moodle is good for small classes and for well targeted trainings but cannot be "massive" because its architecture is not to be massive.
Anyways Moodle comes with a lot of gadgets and plugins.
Kind regards
-- Ilario Valdelli Education Program Manager and Community liaison Wikimedia CH Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich Tel: +41764821371 http://www.wikimedia.ch
-----Original Message----- From: Education education-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org On Behalf Of Shani Evenstein Sent: 14 July 2019 18:39 To: Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com; Education ML < education@lists.wikimedia.org> Cc: Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net; Melissa Guadalupe Huertas - EDU WMF mguadalupe@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Moodle at Wikimedia
The WMF Education team is indeed using Moodle to develope the Greenhouse online course on Wikipedia. CCing Nichole Saad & Melissa who can share more details.
Best, Shani.
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019, 17:21 Charles Matthews via Education < education@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
On 13 July 2019 at 10:47 Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net
wrote:
The current Greenhouse course is running on Moodle. Where can I get more information on the use of Moodle by Wikimedia projects?
I was involved in developing Moodle content for Wikimedia UK in the period 2012 to 2014. As the domain moodle.wikimedia.org.uk is currently offline, there is nothing to show for this project right now. There is some accumulated experience in the practical side of hosting Moodle.
Charles
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
The Geneva (Switzerland) education department has been using Moodle for years and is quite satisfied with the platform. A few films were produced on the subject:
https://edu.ge.ch/site/archiprod/?s=DIP-Moodle
That been said, Moodle is great for online courses with a Classroom size number of attendees. That is probably fine for us, I do not think that we will have hundreds and hundreds of simultaneous participants. I do have not any personal experience with a Moodle course addressing thousands of attendees.
Best regards Gabe
On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 1:12 PM Nichole Saad nsaad@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Peter,
Can you be more specific on the kind of information you are looking for? With more details we can be of more assistance.
all the best,
Nichole
On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 6:44 PM Ilario Valdelli ivaldelli@wikimedia.ch wrote:
To follow-up what Federico Leva said, Wikimedia Italia and Wikimedia CH did an analysis to check the best platform for a MOOC.
Moodle is good for small classes and for well targeted trainings but cannot be "massive" because its architecture is not to be massive.
Anyways Moodle comes with a lot of gadgets and plugins.
Kind regards
-- Ilario Valdelli Education Program Manager and Community liaison Wikimedia CH Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich Tel: +41764821371 http://www.wikimedia.ch
-----Original Message----- From: Education education-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org On Behalf Of Shani Evenstein Sent: 14 July 2019 18:39 To: Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com; Education ML < education@lists.wikimedia.org> Cc: Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net; Melissa Guadalupe Huertas - EDU WMF mguadalupe@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Moodle at Wikimedia
The WMF Education team is indeed using Moodle to develope the Greenhouse online course on Wikipedia. CCing Nichole Saad & Melissa who can share more details.
Best, Shani.
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019, 17:21 Charles Matthews via Education < education@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
On 13 July 2019 at 10:47 Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net
wrote:
The current Greenhouse course is running on Moodle. Where can I get more information on the use of Moodle by Wikimedia projects?
I was involved in developing Moodle content for Wikimedia UK in the period 2012 to 2014. As the domain moodle.wikimedia.org.uk is currently offline, there is nothing to show for this project right now. There is some accumulated experience in the practical side of hosting Moodle.
Charles
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
-- *Nichole Saad* Wikimedia Foundation | Senior Program Manager, Education nsaad@wikimedia.org user: NSaad (WMF) _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Hi Peter,
for me, this is a very interesting question raised by you about using Moodle in the Wikimedia movement. I would also love to hear more about experiences.
One thing I would like to share in this context is this presentation from Doug Belshaw at the MoodleMoot conference https://moodlemoot.org/mootieuk19/ in London this year in April. He is talking about how they want to enlarge Moodle as a social network. Maybe this is intersting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pupSuu-KSM&t=908s
Cheers from Berlin, Elly
Elly Köpf Projektmanagerin
Wikimedia Deutschland e. V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0 https://wikimedia.de
Unsere Vision ist eine Welt, in der alle Menschen am Wissen der Menschheit teilhaben, es nutzen und mehren können. Helfen Sie uns dabei! https://spenden.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland — Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
Am Mo., 15. Juli 2019 um 16:07 Uhr schrieb Gabriel Thullen < gabriel@thullen.com>:
The Geneva (Switzerland) education department has been using Moodle for years and is quite satisfied with the platform. A few films were produced on the subject:
https://edu.ge.ch/site/archiprod/?s=DIP-Moodle
That been said, Moodle is great for online courses with a Classroom size number of attendees. That is probably fine for us, I do not think that we will have hundreds and hundreds of simultaneous participants. I do have not any personal experience with a Moodle course addressing thousands of attendees.
Best regards Gabe
On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 1:12 PM Nichole Saad nsaad@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Peter,
Can you be more specific on the kind of information you are looking for? With more details we can be of more assistance.
all the best,
Nichole
On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 6:44 PM Ilario Valdelli ivaldelli@wikimedia.ch wrote:
To follow-up what Federico Leva said, Wikimedia Italia and Wikimedia CH did an analysis to check the best platform for a MOOC.
Moodle is good for small classes and for well targeted trainings but cannot be "massive" because its architecture is not to be massive.
Anyways Moodle comes with a lot of gadgets and plugins.
Kind regards
-- Ilario Valdelli Education Program Manager and Community liaison Wikimedia CH Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich Tel: +41764821371 http://www.wikimedia.ch
-----Original Message----- From: Education education-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org On Behalf Of Shani Evenstein Sent: 14 July 2019 18:39 To: Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com; Education ML < education@lists.wikimedia.org> Cc: Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net; Melissa Guadalupe Huertas - EDU WMF mguadalupe@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Moodle at Wikimedia
The WMF Education team is indeed using Moodle to develope the
Greenhouse
online course on Wikipedia. CCing Nichole Saad & Melissa who can share more details.
Best, Shani.
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019, 17:21 Charles Matthews via Education < education@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
On 13 July 2019 at 10:47 Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net
wrote:
The current Greenhouse course is running on Moodle. Where can I get more information on the use of Moodle by Wikimedia projects?
I was involved in developing Moodle content for Wikimedia UK in the period 2012 to 2014. As the domain moodle.wikimedia.org.uk is currently offline, there is nothing to show for this project right now. There
is
some accumulated experience in the practical side of hosting Moodle.
Charles
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
-- *Nichole Saad* Wikimedia Foundation | Senior Program Manager, Education nsaad@wikimedia.org user: NSaad (WMF) _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
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for me, this is a very interesting question raised by you [Peter] about
using Moodle in the Wikimedia movement.
I agree with you, Elly! The philosophical foundation of Moodle has many similarities with the Wikimedia philosophy: the goal of increasing educational access to all. Moodle is incredibly flexible & because the code is open we could develop a very specific version of it which could be very useful for Wikimedia-based education projects.
I have worked with Moodle for many years, mostly as a curriculum developer (not a coder, unfortunately!) & I think it would be very exciting to be involved with such a project. What do you think about proposing an idea like this as a project for the Google Summer of Code https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/? I know Moodle has been involved with the GSoC for many years.
Gina Bennett
On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 at 06:00, Elly Koepf elly.koepf@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hi Peter,
for me, this is a very interesting question raised by you about using Moodle in the Wikimedia movement. I would also love to hear more about experiences.
One thing I would like to share in this context is this presentation from Doug Belshaw at the MoodleMoot conference https://moodlemoot.org/mootieuk19/ in London this year in April. He is talking about how they want to enlarge Moodle as a social network. Maybe this is intersting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pupSuu-KSM&t=908s
Cheers from Berlin, Elly
Elly Köpf Projektmanagerin
Wikimedia Deutschland e. V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0 https://wikimedia.de
Unsere Vision ist eine Welt, in der alle Menschen am Wissen der Menschheit teilhaben, es nutzen und mehren können. Helfen Sie uns dabei! https://spenden.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland — Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
Am Mo., 15. Juli 2019 um 16:07 Uhr schrieb Gabriel Thullen < gabriel@thullen.com>:
The Geneva (Switzerland) education department has been using Moodle for years and is quite satisfied with the platform. A few films were produced on the subject:
https://edu.ge.ch/site/archiprod/?s=DIP-Moodle
That been said, Moodle is great for online courses with a Classroom size number of attendees. That is probably fine for us, I do not think that we will have hundreds and hundreds of simultaneous participants. I do have
not
any personal experience with a Moodle course addressing thousands of attendees.
Best regards Gabe
On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 1:12 PM Nichole Saad nsaad@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Hi Peter,
Can you be more specific on the kind of information you are looking
for?
With more details we can be of more assistance.
all the best,
Nichole
On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 6:44 PM Ilario Valdelli <
ivaldelli@wikimedia.ch>
wrote:
To follow-up what Federico Leva said, Wikimedia Italia and Wikimedia
CH
did an analysis to check the best platform for a MOOC.
Moodle is good for small classes and for well targeted trainings but cannot be "massive" because its architecture is not to be massive.
Anyways Moodle comes with a lot of gadgets and plugins.
Kind regards
-- Ilario Valdelli Education Program Manager and Community liaison Wikimedia CH Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich Tel: +41764821371 http://www.wikimedia.ch
-----Original Message----- From: Education education-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org On Behalf Of Shani Evenstein Sent: 14 July 2019 18:39 To: Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com; Education
ML <
education@lists.wikimedia.org> Cc: Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net; Melissa
Guadalupe
Huertas - EDU WMF mguadalupe@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Moodle at Wikimedia
The WMF Education team is indeed using Moodle to develope the
Greenhouse
online course on Wikipedia. CCing Nichole Saad & Melissa who can share more details.
Best, Shani.
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019, 17:21 Charles Matthews via Education < education@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
On 13 July 2019 at 10:47 Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net
wrote:
The current Greenhouse course is running on Moodle. Where can I
get
more information on the use of Moodle by Wikimedia projects?
I was involved in developing Moodle content for Wikimedia UK in the period 2012 to 2014. As the domain moodle.wikimedia.org.uk is currently offline, there is nothing to show for this project right now. There
is
some accumulated experience in the practical side of hosting
Moodle.
Charles
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
-- *Nichole Saad* Wikimedia Foundation | Senior Program Manager, Education nsaad@wikimedia.org user: NSaad (WMF) _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
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ilario, you mentioned you looked into multiple software, what was your preference? i saw https://www.appsembler.com/blog/open-edx-moodle-comparison/, which very high level compares moodle with harvards and MITs edX: https://github.com/edx/. apart from moodle beeing written in PHP, like mediawiki, of course. while edX is in python.
rupert
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 5:59 PM Gina Bennett bennett.gina@gmail.com wrote:
for me, this is a very interesting question raised by you [Peter] about
using Moodle in the Wikimedia movement.
I agree with you, Elly! The philosophical foundation of Moodle has many similarities with the Wikimedia philosophy: the goal of increasing educational access to all. Moodle is incredibly flexible & because the code is open we could develop a very specific version of it which could be very useful for Wikimedia-based education projects.
I have worked with Moodle for many years, mostly as a curriculum developer (not a coder, unfortunately!) & I think it would be very exciting to be involved with such a project. What do you think about proposing an idea like this as a project for the Google Summer of Code https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/? I know Moodle has been involved with the GSoC for many years.
Gina Bennett
On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 at 06:00, Elly Koepf elly.koepf@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hi Peter,
for me, this is a very interesting question raised by you about using Moodle in the Wikimedia movement. I would also love to hear more about experiences.
One thing I would like to share in this context is this presentation from Doug Belshaw at the MoodleMoot conference https://moodlemoot.org/mootieuk19/ in London this year in April. He is talking about how they want to enlarge Moodle as a social network. Maybe this is intersting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pupSuu-KSM&t=908s
Cheers from Berlin, Elly
Elly Köpf Projektmanagerin
Wikimedia Deutschland e. V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0 https://wikimedia.de
Unsere Vision ist eine Welt, in der alle Menschen am Wissen der
Menschheit
teilhaben, es nutzen und mehren können. Helfen Sie uns dabei! https://spenden.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland — Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
unter
der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
Am Mo., 15. Juli 2019 um 16:07 Uhr schrieb Gabriel Thullen < gabriel@thullen.com>:
The Geneva (Switzerland) education department has been using Moodle for years and is quite satisfied with the platform. A few films were
produced
on the subject:
https://edu.ge.ch/site/archiprod/?s=DIP-Moodle
That been said, Moodle is great for online courses with a Classroom
size
number of attendees. That is probably fine for us, I do not think that
we
will have hundreds and hundreds of simultaneous participants. I do have
not
any personal experience with a Moodle course addressing thousands of attendees.
Best regards Gabe
On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 1:12 PM Nichole Saad nsaad@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Hi Peter,
Can you be more specific on the kind of information you are looking
for?
With more details we can be of more assistance.
all the best,
Nichole
On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 6:44 PM Ilario Valdelli <
ivaldelli@wikimedia.ch>
wrote:
To follow-up what Federico Leva said, Wikimedia Italia and
Wikimedia
CH
did an analysis to check the best platform for a MOOC.
Moodle is good for small classes and for well targeted trainings
but
cannot be "massive" because its architecture is not to be massive.
Anyways Moodle comes with a lot of gadgets and plugins.
Kind regards
-- Ilario Valdelli Education Program Manager and Community liaison Wikimedia CH Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich Tel: +41764821371 http://www.wikimedia.ch
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Of
Shani Evenstein Sent: 14 July 2019 18:39 To: Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com; Education
ML <
education@lists.wikimedia.org> Cc: Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net; Melissa
Guadalupe
Huertas - EDU WMF mguadalupe@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Moodle at Wikimedia
The WMF Education team is indeed using Moodle to develope the
Greenhouse
online course on Wikipedia. CCing Nichole Saad & Melissa who can share more details.
Best, Shani.
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019, 17:21 Charles Matthews via Education < education@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
> On 13 July 2019 at 10:47 Peter Southwood > peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote: > > > The current Greenhouse course is running on Moodle. Where can I
get
> more information on the use of Moodle by Wikimedia projects?
I was involved in developing Moodle content for Wikimedia UK in
the
period 2012 to 2014. As the domain moodle.wikimedia.org.uk is currently offline, there is nothing to show for this project right now.
There
is
some accumulated experience in the practical side of hosting
Moodle.
Charles
-- *Nichole Saad* Wikimedia Foundation | Senior Program Manager, Education nsaad@wikimedia.org user: NSaad (WMF)
On 30 July 2019 at 16:58 Gina Bennett bennett.gina@gmail.com wrote:
for me, this is a very interesting question raised by you [Peter] about
using Moodle in the Wikimedia movement.
I agree with you, Elly! The philosophical foundation of Moodle has many similarities with the Wikimedia philosophy: the goal of increasing educational access to all. Moodle is incredibly flexible & because the code is open we could develop a very specific version of it which could be very useful for Wikimedia-based education projects.
I have been trying to formulate a version of "Moodle-lite" for around five years now. It needs an extensive discussion.
Some highlights:
*Moodle is not at all open, in the sense that we understand it. *One core Wikimedia value is reusability, and Moodle falls down there. *The direction of travel for Moodle has been towards the features needed by the largest-scale users.
After the relative lack of interest in Magnus Manske's Comprende! tool (2017), I stopped thinking this "lite" approach was going to take off. I still believe, in the Wikidata era, that there is an opportunity for Wikimedia to intervene in this area, though.
I have worked with Moodle for many years, mostly as a curriculum developer (not a coder, unfortunately!) & I think it would be very exciting to be involved with such a project. What do you think about proposing an idea like this as a project for the Google Summer of Code https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/? I know Moodle has been involved with the GSoC for many years.
I would say that the design issues need some radical thinking, first.
Charles