Hi Tom,
thnak you very much for this information.
For us it, is very interesting to see the courses like this and I
would love to find people to translate these courses.
Hope we will find some.
There is also a mailinglist for the school-of-open initiative:
https://p2pu.org/en/schools/school-of-open/
As far as I know, they are happy about any support to get Soo international.
Best regards,
Elly
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> Talking about adapting the education program to the future, please,
> see the links bellow with the courses about Wikipedia. I've contacted
> the author of the course, Max Klein. Let's see how can we improve it.
> :)
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> From: Everton Zanella Alvarenga <ezalvarenga(a)wikimedia.org>
> Date: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Wmfall] Wikipedia course at Coursera? (it was WMF
> Orientation: Nov 26-29, 2012)
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> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Pau Giner <pginer(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> There is a Wikipedia-related course at the P2PU community:
>> https://p2pu.org/es/groups/wikipedia-aim-for-featured-article/
>
> Wow, that is great! Thanks for sharing, Pau.
>
> There is also this course, which is quite interesting! And even better
> that P2PU uses an adequate license, differently from Coursera, which
> needs to login to access its classes.
>
> Another course in this School of Open
>
> https://p2pu.org/en/groups/open-access-wikipedia-challenge/
>
>> This course has very few content compared to the assignment material
>> prepared for the Orientation sessions.
>> If the assignment material is shared with them, they will probably
>> appreciate it.
>
> We definetly should find ways to improve P2P courses remixing both
> resources and talk to them. In the other course I link above, Open
> Acess Wikipedia Challenge, the instructor uses a really nice software
> to show him and the screen while teaching how to edit.
>
> For the education program in Brazil we have decided to improve online
> tutorials for sustainability and scalability reasons, thus that is a
> first step for what we had in mind! I can talk to them later.
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Talking about adapting the education program to the future, please,
see the links bellow with the courses about Wikipedia. I've contacted
the author of the course, Max Klein. Let's see how can we improve it.
:)
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Date: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Wmfall] Wikipedia course at Coursera? (it was WMF
Orientation: Nov 26-29, 2012)
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On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Pau Giner <pginer(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> There is a Wikipedia-related course at the P2PU community:
> https://p2pu.org/es/groups/wikipedia-aim-for-featured-article/
Wow, that is great! Thanks for sharing, Pau.
There is also this course, which is quite interesting! And even better
that P2PU uses an adequate license, differently from Coursera, which
needs to login to access its classes.
Another course in this School of Open
https://p2pu.org/en/groups/open-access-wikipedia-challenge/
> This course has very few content compared to the assignment material
> prepared for the Orientation sessions.
> If the assignment material is shared with them, they will probably
> appreciate it.
We definetly should find ways to improve P2P courses remixing both
resources and talk to them. In the other course I link above, Open
Acess Wikipedia Challenge, the instructor uses a really nice software
to show him and the screen while teaching how to edit.
For the education program in Brazil we have decided to improve online
tutorials for sustainability and scalability reasons, thus that is a
first step for what we had in mind! I can talk to them later.
Tom
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An interesting text by Stallman, which I copy bellow and emphasize some
points in italic. See also the article on permission culture at Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permission_culture
*On-line education is using a flawed Creative Commons
license*<http://stallman.org/articles/online-education.html>
Prominent universities are using a nonfree license for their digital
educational works. That is bad already, but even worse, the license they
are using has a serious inherent problem.
When a work is made for doing a practical job, the users must have control
over the job, so they need to have control over the work. This applies to
software, and to educational works too. For the users to have this control,
they need certain freedoms (see
gnu.org<http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html>),
and we say the work is "free" (or "libre", to emphasize we are not talking
about price). For works that might be used in commercial contexts, the
requisite freedom includes commercial use, redistribution and modification.
Creative Commons publishes six principal licenses. Two are free/libre
licenses: the Sharealike license CC-BY-SA is a free/libre license with
copyleft <http://www.gnu.org/copyleft>, and the Attribution license (CC-BY)
is a free/libre license without copyleft. The other four are nonfree,
either because they don't allow modification (ND, Noderivs) or because they
don't allow commercial use (NC, Nocommercial).
In my view, nonfree licenses are ok for works of art/entertainment, or that
present personal viewpoints (such as this article itself). Those works
aren't meant for doing a practical job, so the argument about the users'
control does not apply. Thus, I do not object if they are published with
the CC-BY-NC-ND license, which allows only noncommercial redistribution of
exact copies.
Use of this license for a work does not mean that you can't possibly
publish that work commercially or with modifications. The license doesn't
give permission for that, but you could ask the copyright holder for
permission, perhaps offering a quid pro quo, and you might get it. It isn't
automatic, but it isn't impossible.
*However, two of the nonfree CC licenses lead to the creation of works that
can't in practice be published commercially, because there is no feasible
way to ask for permission. These are CC-BY-NC and CC-BY-NC-SA, the two CC
licenses that permit modification but not commercial use.*
*The problem arises because, with the Internet, people can easily (and
lawfully) pile one noncommercial modification on another. Over decades this
will result in works with contributions from hundreds or even thousands of
people.*
*What happens if you would like to use one of those works commercially? How
could you get permission? You'd have to ask all the substantial copyright
holders. Some of them might have contributed years before and be impossible
to find. Some might have contributed decades before, and might well be
dead, but their copyrights won't have died with them. You'd have to find
and ask their heirs, supposing it is possible to identify those. In
general, it will be impossible to clear copyright on the works that these
licenses invite people to make.*
*This is a form of the well-known "orphan works" problem, except
exponentially worse; when combining works that had many contributors, the
resulting work can be orphaned many times over before it is born.*
To eliminate this problem would require a mechanism that involves asking
_someone_ for permission (otherwise the NC condition turns into a nullity),
but doesn't require asking _all the contributors_ for permission. It is
easy to imagine such mechanisms; the hard part is to convince the community
that one such mechanisms is fair and reach a consensus to accept it.
I hope that can be done, but the CC-BY-NC and CC-BY-NC-SA licenses, as they
are today, should be avoided.
Unfortunately, one of them is used quite a lot. CC-BY-NC-SA, which allows
noncommercial publication of modified versions under the same license, has
become the fashion for online educational works. MIT's "Open Courseware"
got it stared, and many other schools followed MIT down the wrong path.
Whereas in software "open source" means "probably free, but I don't dare
talk about it so you'll have to check for yourself," in many online
education projects "open" means "nonfree for sure".
Even if the problem with CC-BY-NC-SA and CC-BY-NC is fixed, they still
won't be the right way to release educational works meant for doing
practical jobs. The users of these works, teachers and students, must have
control over the works, and that requires making them free. I urge Creative
Commons to state that works meant for practical jobs, including educational
resources and reference works as well as software, should be released under
free/libre licenses only.
*Educators, and all those who wish to contribute to on-line educational
works: please do not to let your work be made non-free. Offer your
assistance and text to educational works that carry free/libre licenses,
preferably copyleft licenses so that all versions of the work must respect
teachers' and students' freedom. Then invite educational activities to use
and redistribute these works on that freedom-respecting basis, if they
will. Together we can make education a domain of freedom.*
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Dear professors,
I would like to invite you all to make a short video using your own
computer saying why you have joined the Wikipedia Education Program
and the benefits you have found for your students.
During my last presentations to professors around Brazil, I've started
to show these two short videos, one of professor Juliana Bastos in a
TV news, and the other of professor Pablo Ortellado I made with my
mobile:
http://noticias.cancaonova.com/noticia.php?id=285520http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ficheiro:Pablo_Ortellado_-_Wikipedia_na_Univer…
I can always see the positive reactions on the other professors faces.
I don't believe it needs to be too professional, just say with your
heart. I remember the first time I publish one video of professor
Juliana on my facebook, 5 professors came talk to me. I think that
would be a good way to persuade other professors on all the important
issues involved in building an free encyclopedia.
Best,
Tom
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Dear all,
I've made a few suggestions for the further development of the education portal:
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Education_Portal
Please have a look and leave your comments!
Kind regards,
Beat Estermann
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Hi all! Too bad to see this list being so quiet, as I'd love to hear from
other professors and find out what you're doing in your classes. Many
discussions take place on the WP talk pages, but it's hard to keep track of
everything there!
At the end of the month I'l be starting an undergraduate course in which
I'll use both Wikipedia and Moodle. For Wikipedia, the usual: articles,
userpages, talk, sandboxes etc. I'll use Moodle for forum discussions,
assignments and extra reading/media material. This is part of an
experimental initiative in Brazilian public universities to create working
models for the merging of traditional and distance learning classes, and
I'll be the first one to do this together with our well-known Wikipedia
Education Project.
My point is, I'd like to know whether any of you here or someone you know
has used Moodle to support a course with Wikipedia assignments. I'll be
happy to hear about such experiences. And I'll share mine when I have them,
of course.
Juliana.
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Hi everybody,
is there some room for this in the Outreach-plattform?
Or: have you linked it already?
We have worked out some Material with a partner called klicksafe for
teachers. But it is not elearning in the common sense:
http://www.klicksafe.de/themen/suchen-recherchieren/wikipedia/
They will do adittional printmaterial next year.
Actally there is some action inthe p2pu- universe from creative commons
called "school of open", unfortunately not in German.
Activities are listed here: https://p2pu.org/en/search/?q=wikipedia
I would love to find a way to adress more people even though the german
teachers seem to be stuck in moodle.
So Juliana, i would love to have access to your course.
So far this are all just ideas, but I am open to hear more about other
initiatives.
cheers,
elly
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> I think I found out where to set access to visitors on my Moodle page. It
> seems I just need the name and email address. Please let me know if there's
> anyone interested.
>
> Juliana.
>
>
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> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Daria Cybulska <
> daria.cybulska(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
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> > Hi Juliana,
> >
> > Very interesting question! Wikimedia UK has been setting up a 'Virtual
> > Learning Environment' to support its training programme. It's in the
> > development stage at the moment, but if you want to find out more you
> could
> > contact Charles Matthews who is leading on this:
> > "Charles Matthews" <charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com>.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Daria
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> > On 5 November 2012 01:13, Alhen <alhen.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> English comes after this paragraph.
> >>
> >> ?C?mo est?n?. Asumo que ambas pueden hablar en espa?ol. As? que pongo el
> >> mensaje en ambos idiomas.
> >>
> >> Juliana, me encantar?a trabajar contigo como ayudante online para el
> >> curso. No s? si tienes ya un wikipedista que te ayude, pero me parece
> >> interesante poder colaborar en esta plataforma.
> >>
> >> Lila, me gustar?a ser los ojos curiosos para ver c?mo le hicieron para
> >> poder sacar el curso adelante. Siempre es bueno aprender de las
> iniciativas
> >> de otros.
> >>
> >> Hello there. I assume you both speak Spanish, I'm writing the same
> >> message in both languages.
> >>
> >> Juliana, I'd love to work with you as a helper. I wonder if you already
> >> have a wikipedian for that task. I think it's it could be great to get a
> >> course going using moodle.
> >>
> >> Lila. I want to see how that course of yours went. If you can, send me
> a
> >> guess invite, please. I can learn from you and your experience.
> >>
> >> Alhen
> >>
> >> @alhen_
> >> alhen at wikipedia, wikihow, wikispaces, and most places.
> >> Promotor de Wikimedia Bolivia
> >> 00-591-79592235
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2012/11/4 Juliana Bastos Marques <domusaurea(a)gmail.com>
> >>
> >>> Thanks for your reply, Lila!
> >>>
> >>> Could you tell us a little more about your courses? You mentioned they
> >>> are offered for the community - meaning outside the university? Are
> your
> >>> students undergrads/grads, any other group in particular? You mentioned
> >>> teachers - what sort? I'm very interested in setting up a course
> focused on
> >>> teachers, I haven't done that before. I'd like to offer a 4-day
> workshop
> >>> for History professors on our next national symposium, but this would
> be
> >>> new to me. I just offered a regular undergrad course, an open extension
> >>> course and 4h workhops.
> >>>
> >>> I'd very much like to see your material, if I can! I have to find out
> >>> how to set the guests option for my page... I'd love to hear everyone's
> >>> feedback for what I've been doing there.
> >>>
> >>> Juliana.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Lila Pagola <lilapagola(a)gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> 2012/11/2 Juliana Bastos Marques <domusaurea(a)gmail.com>:
> >>>> > Hi all! Too bad to see this list being so quiet, as I'd love to hear
> >>>> from
> >>>> > other professors and find out what you're doing in your classes.
> Many
> >>>> > discussions take place on the WP talk pages, but it's hard to keep
> >>>> track of
> >>>> > everything there!
> >>>> >
> >>>> > At the end of the month I'l be starting an undergraduate course in
> >>>> which
> >>>> > I'll use both Wikipedia and Moodle. For Wikipedia, the usual:
> >>>> articles,
> >>>> > userpages, talk, sandboxes etc. I'll use Moodle for forum
> discussions,
> >>>> > assignments and extra reading/media material. This is part of an
> >>>> > experimental initiative in Brazilian public universities to create
> >>>> working
> >>>> > models for the merging of traditional and distance learning classes,
> >>>> and
> >>>> > I'll be the first one to do this together with our well-known
> >>>> Wikipedia
> >>>> > Education Project.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > My point is, I'd like to know whether any of you here or someone you
> >>>> know
> >>>> > has used Moodle to support a course with Wikipedia assignments. I'll
> >>>> be
> >>>> > happy to hear about such experiences. And I'll share mine when I
> have
> >>>> them,
> >>>> > of course.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Juliana, and everyone in this list,
> >>>>
> >>>> I have been using moodle to support 2 short courses on Wikipedia
> >>>> editing, courses offered from university to community, in specific
> >>>> topics (gender topics) or for specific people (teachers).
> >>>>
> >>>> In both experiences, moodle has resulted a great tool for following
> >>>> the activities during the course and specially after the course, while
> >>>> people was doing the final assignment, using forum for questions and
> >>>> reporting experiences and problems (deleting contributions is a big
> >>>> issue with new users nowadays).
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, of course a useful repository for reference materials used
> >>>> during the course (edition guide, our booklet "Wikipedia en el aula",
> >>>> studies on gender gap, and so on).
> >>>>
> >>>> Unfortunately, moodle campus of my university doesn't allow guests,
> >>>> but if someone is interested on visiting the virtual course, I can
> >>>> send a user/pass by private email.
> >>>>
> >>>> Saludos,
> >>>>
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Hi Juliana,
interesting you mention this!
We just got a request from a professor to try to create a moodle
course for editing Wikipedia.
It would be great to see the material you used.
We are currently still a little unsure about moodle since the problems
in usability sound a little like madiawiki problems ;)
And the course, like Lila said, is only open for one course and hard to spread.
Well, I am interested in hearing more.
Cheers, Elly
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> 2012/11/2 Juliana Bastos Marques <domusaurea(a)gmail.com>:
>> Hi all! Too bad to see this list being so quiet, as I'd love to hear from
>> other professors and find out what you're doing in your classes. Many
>> discussions take place on the WP talk pages, but it's hard to keep track of
>> everything there!
>>
>> At the end of the month I'l be starting an undergraduate course in which
>> I'll use both Wikipedia and Moodle. For Wikipedia, the usual: articles,
>> userpages, talk, sandboxes etc. I'll use Moodle for forum discussions,
>> assignments and extra reading/media material. This is part of an
>> experimental initiative in Brazilian public universities to create working
>> models for the merging of traditional and distance learning classes, and
>> I'll be the first one to do this together with our well-known Wikipedia
>> Education Project.
>>
>> My point is, I'd like to know whether any of you here or someone you know
>> has used Moodle to support a course with Wikipedia assignments. I'll be
>> happy to hear about such experiences. And I'll share mine when I have them,
>> of course.
>
> Hi Juliana, and everyone in this list,
>
> I have been using moodle to support 2 short courses on Wikipedia
> editing, courses offered from university to community, in specific
> topics (gender topics) or for specific people (teachers).
>
> In both experiences, moodle has resulted a great tool for following
> the activities during the course and specially after the course, while
> people was doing the final assignment, using forum for questions and
> reporting experiences and problems (deleting contributions is a big
> issue with new users nowadays).
>
> Also, of course a useful repository for reference materials used
> during the course (edition guide, our booklet "Wikipedia en el aula",
> studies on gender gap, and so on).
>
> Unfortunately, moodle campus of my university doesn't allow guests,
> but if someone is interested on visiting the virtual course, I can
> send a user/pass by private email.
>
> Saludos,
>
>
>
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http://wikipedia.de/wke/Main_Page?setlang=de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.