Hi,
Does anyone have a screenshot of the page with this banner? Or a link to an online archive? Or at least the banner itself?
sasha.
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 9:54 PM Dennis During dcduring@gmail.com wrote:
I couldn't get onto WP or en.wikt shortly after I had heard about the MW participation in the strike. I jumped to an apparently wrong conclusion. Sorry.
I am glad that the availability of free knowledge for all was not disrupted.
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 3:19 AM Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
As far as I can tell, only the Foundation wiki is showing the strike message. That particular one is pretty much theirs to do as they like with.
If they started doing that to any other wikis without their agreement, well, then we'd have a problem. But so long as it's only the WMF wiki itself, I don't see the issue.
Todd
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 6:45 PM Dennis During dcduring@gmail.com wrote:
I am profoundly disappointed that WMF employees don't value the mission. Instead they seem to simply follow fashion and force users and volunteers to follow their fashionable methods of advocacy. They use their monopoly power to deny free access to the world's knowledge that many thousands of volunteers have diligently assembled. This time it is to show solidarity with environmental advocates. What will it be next time?
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 15:35 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I have a few comments.
While I appreciate the sentiment, I wouldn't have put the wikimediafoundation.org domain "on strike", just as I wouldn't have
put
a
government agency's website "on strike". I think that some discussion
of
climate change would be fine, but I think that WMF's action here is somewhat strange.
I think that asking about the climate impact of staff travel is fine. However, I would also include questions about travel for Wikimedia
events
more broadly. I believe that the WMF Board has indicated support for
trying
to reduce the Wikiverse's contributions to climate change. As has been mentioned in this thread, WMF released a report yesterday <
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2019-September/093519.html
on the subject of sustainability. While I have not read it, I think
that
measuring and attempting to reduce reduce negative environmental
impacts
from Wikimedia activities is good, including negative environmental
impacts
from travel. However, I also think that there are some benefits to
morale
and communications from in person meetings, so I would be reluctant to eliminate travel and conferences entirely.
I think that it's fine to ask whether WMF senior management is
practicing
what they preach. However, Fae, I feel that your tone in this thread is excessively harsh on this point. I think that you could ask very
similar
questions with a tone that is calmer.
On the subject of environmental sustainability, my main concern at this time is the banner on the WMF website which I feel is somewhat weird
and
is
inconsistent with WMF's goal of being "essential infrastructure". Do we want "essential infrastructure" to go on strike, particularly when that infrastructure is supposed to be for an organization that provides
public
service and supports the community in publishing reliable scientific information? I think not. However, I think that the banner is
regrettably
consistent with the series of surprising decisions from WMF in the past
few
months. That is, to me, the most concerning element in all of this. If
WMF
wants to be a public service infrastructure provider then I think that
it
should act like one.
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