Hi Ziko,
When WMPT was forced by AffCom early this year to change the old chapter agreement we had signed in 2009 for a new one, which we were told was the current model for everyone, the main difference between the two was precisely the end of the chapter hegemony over the national territory. We were told, back then, that those were the new rules. You can read it here: https://pt.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter_agreement
Personally, I don't mind that in the least. If some caution is taken by AffCom, e.g., to not approve rogue affiliates which at it's very inception are already at war with the national chapter (or "post/pre"-chapter affiliate, as AffCom has done in Brazil back in 2015, causing all the mess everybody knows), all is cool. Spain has already something like 5 or 6 affiliates, and they seem to live happily in peace. If it works, let it go.
Best, Paulo
Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com escreveu no dia segunda, 7/10/2019 à(s) 12:50:
Sorry, people, but I would like to read an official statement of the WMF (committee) what is the reason or rationale behind this policy to accept WM user groups in countries where you already have a chapter. Does anybody have a link? Kind regards Ziko
Am Sa., 5. Okt. 2019 um 19:16 Uhr schrieb Paulo Santos Perneta < paulosperneta@gmail.com>:
Hi Farhad,
Very interesting, thank you very much for sharing your insight. The advantages at an organizational level are quite obvious, indeed, and it's a smart way to deal with those membership limitations. I'm glad that the WMF & Wikimedia is abandoning the very rigid chapter model as the preferred one, and is evolving into more flexible and
nuanced
options and varieties, such as those confederations.
Best, Paulo
Фархад Фаткуллин / Farhad Fatkullin frhd@yandex.com escreveu no dia sábado, 5/10/2019 à(s) 15:38:
Hi folks,
I can probably comment this, as a member of both Wikimedia Russia and a Tatar language-specific UG. On top of participation in Wikimedia Language Diversity initiative on meta, I am also contemplating and working towards starting a territory-specific UG for my region + an incubator UG for more language-specific UG in the languages of Russia.
Wikimedians of Russia seem to see the matreshkas of (1) "global
conference
- regional conference - topic-specific conferences" & (2) WMF &
affiliates
general meeting - national chapters - UGs" as natural structures, each addressing different tasks, having different priorities, whilst
cooperating
in various projects.
- Wikimedia Russia legal requirements (in-person quorum for
decision-making, etc.) doesn't allow us to accept into membership all members of all our regional, language or topic specific UGs. So our
chapter
is evolving towards a mixed confederation status, selectively welcoming some members from various groupings around Russia (which themselves
can't
be neither cells nor branches of WMRU).
- SPB is not purely a city, but a one of 85 provinces (read states) of
the
Russian Federation (like my home Republic of Tatarstan, neighbouring Republic of Bashkortostan with its Bashkir Wiki-grandmas, or a city of Moscow).
- Once we will spin out UG MSK, we will complete transforming Wikimedia
Russia into a collective entity for join tasks, working on
national-level
advocacy & other projects.
- We currently have 5 existing UGs, have two more filed & at least one
more at the preparation stage - as this is a good way to engage locally
or
topically interested public into Wikimedia universe.
regards, farhad
-- Farhad Fatkullin - Фархад Фаткуллин Тел.+79274158066 / skype:frhdkazan
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