Questioning is ok - we might indeed need to introduce some oversight, but
to be honest, I doubt this would solve the trust issue as long as some
people demand full transparency where there can never be full transparency.
Speculating and accusing victims of being the actual perpetrators,
believing the perpetrators more than the victims, perpetrators depicting
themselves as the victims, is a sad default behaviour in our community.
This needs to change. Seriously.
On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 at 08:17, Peter Southwood <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net>
wrote:
How can we BE safe in the movement if we cannot
question the decisions of
T&S? (when they appear questionable and unsafe)
Cheers,
Peter
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all
First of all I don’t know the context of this conversation. I know that I
personnally find that the actions of Trust& Safety very valuable and
wise. I totally support and trust their judgement.
I am tired of seing their work criticized, and do not appreciate official
chapter representants and employees publicly supporting alleged offenders,
showing no aknowledgement of the fact that this is very toxic for alleged
victims, and does not help to change attitude towards issues of
harrassment.
How can we feel safe in the movement if the decisions of T&S are
questionned by official members of our movement?
Nattes à chat
Le 21 juin 2019 à 01:04, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com> a
écrit :
>
> It is extremely disappointing, and *extremely typical* of the Wikimedia
> movement, to see an entire thread like this dedicated to supporting
someone
> who Trust & Safety has found to have
acted in such a way that they had
to
> intervene. It is even more disappointing to
see a person who was
affected
> by his actions told "this is not your
story" and "it may help you when
you
grow some
sensitivity and respect this experience, the
feelings of others."
If you're wondering why women leave the Wikimedia movement, and why
Wikimedia has such a bad harassment problem in general, just reflect on
this thread.
Thank you, Molly, for expressing what I was just trying to summon the
energy to write.
Chris
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