Dariusz,
Could I ask you to briefly outline for us, in general terms and from your
point of view,
(1) The most compelling arguments in favour of having appointees as voting
board members (as opposed to having them as advisory board members),
(2) If you are comfortable doing so, the most important risks or downsides
attached to the present arrangement?
I am glad to hear you are working on a proposal to increase the number of
community/chapter seats on the board (though I personally tend to think
that at 2 vs. 3, the chapters are already slightly over-represented,
compared to the general community).
Best,
Andreas
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj(a)alk.edu.pl>
wrote:
I think it is an important conversation to have. I am
a bit skeptical about
creating a parliament-like body, and I am a bit worried that it would
advance the disengagement of the board from the community.
I am working on a proposal for some reform (in short: I want to increase
the number of community/chapter seats, increase the level of professional
expertise, increase diversity, and all that without changing the overall
number of seats ;), but I need time to present it in a coherent way. I hope
to do so in March, but of course this dialogue will hopefully bring results
meanwhile, too.
dj
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Thyge <ltl.privat(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Lane Rasberry,
I'm aware of the ongoing election - but in all respect, that has nothing
to
do with a house of representavtives as I envision
it, i.e. being "above"
the board.
The present structure allows the existing board to decline access to the
persons being elected.
Regards,
Thyge
2016-02-23 16:05 GMT+01:00 Lane Rasberry <lane(a)bluerasberry.com>om>:
Hello,
Could I remind you all that there is a board election in progress right
now
> for 2 of the 10 seats? Please see details for the 2016
Affiliate-selected
> board seats election at
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016>
>
> Amir, you said that you wanted representation from "India, China,
Russia,
> Iran, Brazil, Korea, Vietnam, Philippines,
Indonesia, Arab countries
and
> finally, all of Africa". If you like,
you may encourage anyone from
those
countries
to seek a nomination. Also, it would be very helpful if you
could
> encourage the Wikimedia chapters in those countries to participate in
the
election
in any way that they could, especially by planning to vote
during
> the upcoming voting period.
>
> Thyge - we do have a sort of house of representatives and it has a
board
election
happening right now.
Nominations for the board are open till March 8! Election starts March
24!
Please share the message.
Thanks - if anyone has questions post on the election page.
yours,
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter <putevod(a)mccme.ru
wrote:
On 2016-02-23 14:54, Thyge wrote:
> We should not have direct elections to the board. We should have a
"house
> of representatives" with X members from
each part of the world and
charged
> with electing the board and decide major
issues like location of the
WMF,
>> changed of bylaws etc.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Thyge
>>
>>
> I do not think it could solve the diversity issue.
>
> To appoint the number of individuals with a set of skills and needed
> diversity, one needs candidates which will have needed skills and
desired
> > diversity to start with.
> >
> > Our experience as a movement (and also of people in other
organizations
> in
> > different contexts) that these people do not always queue at the
doors
of
> > the WMF office to wait for being elected. They need to be scouted,
> > negotiated with, and convinced to be willing to sit at the board.
This
is
> > what currently various companies are paid to do, and this seems to
be a
>
reasonable arrangement to me.
>
> As far as the candidates are there, I do not see much of a difference
> whether the community, a selected group (like house of
representatives),
or
> the Board votes for them. And as soon as there is no difference there
is
> also no need to make the structure more
complicated. I thus conclude
that
> this House of representatives is not needed
for the Board elections.
>
> (It might be needed for other things, which are outside the scope of
this
> > discussion).
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > Yaroslav
> >
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kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
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Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
http://n <http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl/>wrds.kozminski.edu.pl
członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk
członek Komitetu Polityki Naukowej MNiSW
Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge? An
Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego
autorstwa
http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010
Recenzje
Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
Pacific Standard:
http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/
Motherboard:
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia
The Wikipedian:
http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge
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