Isn't Italy one of those odd European countries
that won't allow freedom
of panorama? Surely the impact won't be too great, considering that the
type of people who can participate are at least savvy enough to understand
the oddities of the Italian monuments situation & Commons. Italy was late
to join the WLM party for this reason, and I understand it is only specific
municipalities that take part now.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine.wiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Giving Wiki Loves Monuments the worst possible
situation is certainly not
a compromise, but a situation in what users from the community are crushed
under the weight of the foundation. A compromise is, according to the
dictionary, a situation in what both parties concede something. In this
case, WLM concedes everything and WMF nothing.
I have seen already users asking if this will be the next big clash
between WMF and the community, after the VisualEditor, MediaViewer,
Superprotect and other issues. I personally hope not.
You are of course free to think how much negative impact it will have,
but I base my numbers on the statistics from the past years. We have seen
each time a big influence from conflicting banners or outage. We have
followed the statistics and the impact of past years and we have learned
from the past that it has a big impact we certainly should not
underestimate.
And I disagree with your statement that there always will be a clash
somewhere. There is no need for a clash if people work together on the
planning. September is not the only month in autumn, and not all countries
are occupied by Wiki Loves Monuments. Suggesting otherwise are fairy tales.
This is one of the strongest examples of bad planning I have seen in all
the years. Of every country that organises Wiki Loves Monuments, they have
picked the worst possible country.
You reduce this problem to just a "number of emotive emails", with what
you make clear you missed the essence of this case.
Romaine
2015-08-24 10:53 GMT+02:00 Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hi Romaine,
And the outcome is ridiculous. This is not a
compromise. The Italian
WLM
team has been crashed under the weight and
preponderance of the
Wikimedia
Foundation.
Well - it *is* a compromise. It isn't what you want and I think I
understand your reasons for thinking it will have a very big impact. I
know
from plenty of past experience of being a volunteer disagreeing with WMF
staff how frustrating this is (though actually I think the impact on WLM
will be less than you expect in this case).
But it is plainly not the case that the WMF has just blundered ahead with
what it was going to do anyway. And even if WMF were not involved at all
and there were some other method of allocating banner space, if Autumn
has
the peak fundraising potential and is when WLM happens, there will always
be some kind of clash somewhere, and someone or other will not get what
they want. No number of emotive emails will change that.
Regards,
Chris
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