James you are sure not to be late to the party when cameras like Samsung
Galaxy or better with Android os are available?
Rupert
On Aug 1, 2015 2:34 AM, "James Forrester" <jforrester(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
On 31 July 2015 at 06:48, Juan de Vojníkov
<juandevojnikov(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi,
I would like to ask, if the ease of media handling (images, photographs
on
Wikimedia Commons) is a priority for Wikimedia
Foundation? If not, could
it
be a priority? Recently we have seen a big step
done for editors =
VisualEditor. Contributors have no longer study "wikicode" to be able to
contribute. That removes one of the technological barriers and it looks
its
a priority for WMF.
While part of contributing to Wikipedia is still contributing by images.
I
am from Wikimedia Czech republic. We run many
projects based on media
harvest or organizing *low barrier media harvest activities* to bring new
users to Wikipedia.
As our newbies are not technologically skilled and not native English
speakers, there is a big technology block to contribute to Wikipedia with
ease:
1) there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload
I don't think having a custom mobile app for uploading files is really the
key problem.
The quality of media capture on non-specialist mobile devices, and
especially the general pattern of use for them, is not so good that
encouraging people in general to upload them for use in Wikipedia articles
is a good idea. Yes, you *can* take good, educational, useful photos with a
mobile device, but in general people do not, and when we enabled uploads on
the mobile desktop we got a lot of very low-value photos, almost all of
which were deleted (and the users understandably didn't stay around). The
old tickets at
https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/920 and
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53559 for example have some off-handed
comments about this being the "Selfie Apocalypse".
The hard thing is not grabbing the media file from the user's device, but
helping users understand what media is appropriate, what is expected, what
is good, and what won't get immediately deleted by the wiki's community. We
don't just want to trap people into making a one-off upload contribution –
we want to encourage people to join the community and stay, taking several
photos, not just one. :-) I've got some ideas about how we can gently coax
people into understanding this without scaring them away, but I'm sure
others have better plans.
2) newbies are lost, when they click on "Upload image" and they are
transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons
3) Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our
participants
5) Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty "techy"
6) Insert metadata, takes a long time:
e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times
you
have to insert same information: a) to file name
(*Des Moines,
cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines,
Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to
the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*,
*category:Cathedrals
in Iowa*).
[Answering these three together.]
Yup, that's why our main work in Multimedia right now is making it
possible to upload a media file from whichever wiki you're on
, and do so whilst you're editing. We're looking to make adding the
information as simple and painless as possible, without letting people
upload files without enough information for the community to triage and
ensure are as high quality as possible.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91717
is the overall work, and
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40030 will be
the integration into VisualEditor (we'll do it for users writing in
wikitext as well, of course).
4) biggest language barrier are categories, which
are in English only, we
need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue
That is true. The long-term hope in this area is using Wikibase (the
software behind Wikidata) to add proper structured data to Commons. This
would mean that we could replace categories named in a single language with
'tags' named in all languages, which would make it both easier to
contribute to Commons and better to find existing media already on Commons
for the majority of our readers and editors who do not speak English.
You can see some thoughts on this at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Multichill/Commons_Wikidata_roadmap
Could we do something for those, who contributes with their media to
Wikipedia? Could we do it in one or two years?
Absolutely. Or, at least, I hope so. :-)
Yours,
--
James D. Forrester
Lead Product Manager, Editing
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
jforrester(a)wikimedia.org | @jdforrester
On 31 July 2015 at 06:48, Juan de Vojníkov <juandevojnikov(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi,
I would like to ask, if the ease of media handling (images, photographs
on
Wikimedia Commons) is a priority for Wikimedia
Foundation? If not, could
it
be a priority? Recently we have seen a big step
done for editors =
VisualEditor. Contributors have no longer study "wikicode" to be able to
contribute. That removes one of the technological barriers and it looks
its
a priority for WMF.
While part of contributing to Wikipedia is still contributing by images.
I
am from Wikimedia Czech republic. We run many
projects based on media
harvest or organizing *low barrier media harvest activities* to bring new
users to Wikipedia.
As our newbies are not technologically skilled and not native English
speakers, there is a big technology block to contribute to Wikipedia with
ease:
1) there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload
> 2) newbies are lost, when they click on "Upload image" and they
are
transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons
3) Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our
participants
>
4) biggest language barrier are categories, which
are in English only, we
need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue
> 5) Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty "techy"
>
6) Insert metadata, takes a long time:
e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times
you
have to insert same information: a) to file name
(*Des Moines,
cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines,
Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to
the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*,
*category:Cathedrals
in Iowa*).
>
> Its 2015, there are many social projects around us. You can handle images
> much easier on these projects than on mother of all social projects -
> Wikipedia. Big step was done with using images allready present in
Commons.
> Could we do something for those, who contributes with their media to
Wikipedia? Could we do it in one or two years?
> Thank you very much for your concern!
>
> Regards,
>
> Juandev
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