Hi,
I would like to ask, if the ease of media handling (images, photographs on Wikimedia Commons) is a priority for Wikimedia Foundation? If not, could it be a priority? Recently we have seen a big step done for editors = VisualEditor. Contributors have no longer study "wikicode" to be able to contribute. That removes one of the technological barriers and it looks its a priority for WMF.
While part of contributing to Wikipedia is still contributing by images. I am from Wikimedia Czech republic. We run many projects based on media harvest or organizing *low barrier media harvest activities* to bring new users to Wikipedia.
As our newbies are not technologically skilled and not native English speakers, there is a big technology block to contribute to Wikipedia with ease:
1) there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload
2) newbies are lost, when they click on "Upload image" and they are transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons
3) Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our participants
4) biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only, we need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue
5) Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty "techy"
6) Insert metadata, takes a long time:
e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times you have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines, cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines, Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*, *category:Cathedrals in Iowa*).
Its 2015, there are many social projects around us. You can handle images much easier on these projects than on mother of all social projects - Wikipedia. Big step was done with using images allready present in Commons. Could we do something for those, who contributes with their media to Wikipedia? Could we do it in one or two years?
Thank you very much for your concern!
Regards,
Juandev
Some thoughts inline.
2015-07-31 15:48 GMT+02:00 Juan de Vojníkov juandevojnikov@gmail.com:
Hi,
- there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload
Well, there is one [1] (but not supported by WMF and only for iOS so far).
- newbies are lost, when they click on "Upload image" and they are
transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons
- Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our participants
On svwiki we added ?uselang=sv on the link to Commons and made sure that the Uploadwizard is translated to Swedish. It makes for a smoother transition.
- biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only, we
need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue
It might, just might, become easier when structured data on Commons is done.
Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty "techy"
Insert metadata, takes a long time:
e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times you have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines, cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines, Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*, *category:Cathedrals in Iowa*).
There is an option in the Uploadwizard to copy exactly those things from the first image to all the others, it is super handy.
/Jan
FYI, for those interested in uploading to Commons, there was an interesting presentation at Wikimania about usability testing this.
https://archive.org/details/videoeditserver-96
The short answer to your very valid question -- licenses and copyright are complicated legal issues when it comes to media. That creeps over into usability in ways that are probably going to be very hard to solve.
-Andrew
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Juan de Vojníkov juandevojnikov@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I would like to ask, if the ease of media handling (images, photographs on Wikimedia Commons) is a priority for Wikimedia Foundation? If not, could it be a priority? Recently we have seen a big step done for editors = VisualEditor. Contributors have no longer study "wikicode" to be able to contribute. That removes one of the technological barriers and it looks its a priority for WMF.
While part of contributing to Wikipedia is still contributing by images. I am from Wikimedia Czech republic. We run many projects based on media harvest or organizing *low barrier media harvest activities* to bring new users to Wikipedia.
As our newbies are not technologically skilled and not native English speakers, there is a big technology block to contribute to Wikipedia with ease:
there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload
newbies are lost, when they click on "Upload image" and they are
transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons
Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our participants
biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only, we
need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue
Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty "techy"
Insert metadata, takes a long time:
e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times you have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines, cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines, Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*, *category:Cathedrals in Iowa*).
Its 2015, there are many social projects around us. You can handle images much easier on these projects than on mother of all social projects - Wikipedia. Big step was done with using images allready present in Commons. Could we do something for those, who contributes with their media to Wikipedia? Could we do it in one or two years?
Thank you very much for your concern!
Regards,
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2015-07-31 19:54 GMT+02:00 Andrew Lih andrew.lih@gmail.com:
FYI, for those interested in uploading to Commons, there was an interesting presentation at Wikimania about usability testing this.
https://archive.org/details/videoeditserver-96
The short answer to your very valid question -- licenses and copyright are complicated legal issues when it comes to media. That creeps over into usability in ways that are probably going to be very hard to solve.
I guess it adds complexity for sure, however it doesn't explains why we still can't do a proper image rotation or crop without hacking around JS or bots (which makes things complicated when the volunteer maintainer has enough of fixing is code due to change mediawiki).
-Andrew
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Juan de Vojníkov < juandevojnikov@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I would like to ask, if the ease of media handling (images, photographs
on
Wikimedia Commons) is a priority for Wikimedia Foundation? If not, could
it
be a priority? Recently we have seen a big step done for editors = VisualEditor. Contributors have no longer study "wikicode" to be able to contribute. That removes one of the technological barriers and it looks
its
a priority for WMF.
While part of contributing to Wikipedia is still contributing by images.
I
am from Wikimedia Czech republic. We run many projects based on media harvest or organizing *low barrier media harvest activities* to bring new users to Wikipedia.
As our newbies are not technologically skilled and not native English speakers, there is a big technology block to contribute to Wikipedia with ease:
there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload
newbies are lost, when they click on "Upload image" and they are
transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons
- Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our
participants
- biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only, we
need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue
Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty "techy"
Insert metadata, takes a long time:
e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times
you
have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines, cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines, Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*, *category:Cathedrals in Iowa*).
Its 2015, there are many social projects around us. You can handle images much easier on these projects than on mother of all social projects - Wikipedia. Big step was done with using images allready present in
Commons.
Could we do something for those, who contributes with their media to Wikipedia? Could we do it in one or two years?
Thank you very much for your concern!
Regards,
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*Jan Ainali:* thx for the link, we will have a look on that.
*Bahodir Mansurov:* that sounds great. Most of the people here use Android. We will deffinitely test it.
*Andrew Lih:* I havent catched the point. The presentation was about usability and how to run it. For image uploads we can run it just once or maybe 3 times (different target groups). I hope we dont have to run it in all countries and all languages to get some needs and be able to request developers to make changes into software?!
If I understood well this team does not performed enough tests yet, so thats why they talk in general about Usability Testing?
Or maybe I miss something, you are talking about licenses. I dont understand how licenses are related to this issue? *I am just guessing:* Foundation is afraid to use easy mobile app for upload, because people will massively break license? Is that a point? Did Commons colapsed with Instant Commons? Did we got some images, when Instant Commons was enabled in MW distribution?
Juandev
2015-07-31 22:35 GMT+02:00 Pierre-Selim pierre-selim@huard.info:
2015-07-31 19:54 GMT+02:00 Andrew Lih andrew.lih@gmail.com:
FYI, for those interested in uploading to Commons, there was an
interesting
presentation at Wikimania about usability testing this.
https://archive.org/details/videoeditserver-96
The short answer to your very valid question -- licenses and copyright
are
complicated legal issues when it comes to media. That creeps over into usability in ways that are probably going to be very hard to solve.
I guess it adds complexity for sure, however it doesn't explains why we still can't do a proper image rotation or crop without hacking around JS or bots (which makes things complicated when the volunteer maintainer has enough of fixing is code due to change mediawiki).
-Andrew
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Juan de Vojníkov < juandevojnikov@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I would like to ask, if the ease of media handling (images, photographs
on
Wikimedia Commons) is a priority for Wikimedia Foundation? If not,
could
it
be a priority? Recently we have seen a big step done for editors = VisualEditor. Contributors have no longer study "wikicode" to be able
to
contribute. That removes one of the technological barriers and it looks
its
a priority for WMF.
While part of contributing to Wikipedia is still contributing by
images.
I
am from Wikimedia Czech republic. We run many projects based on media harvest or organizing *low barrier media harvest activities* to bring
new
users to Wikipedia.
As our newbies are not technologically skilled and not native English speakers, there is a big technology block to contribute to Wikipedia
with
ease:
there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload
newbies are lost, when they click on "Upload image" and they are
transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons
- Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our
participants
- biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only,
we
need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue
Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty "techy"
Insert metadata, takes a long time:
e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times
you
have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines, cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des
Moines,
Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c)
to
the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*, *category:Cathedrals in Iowa*).
Its 2015, there are many social projects around us. You can handle
images
much easier on these projects than on mother of all social projects - Wikipedia. Big step was done with using images allready present in
Commons.
Could we do something for those, who contributes with their media to Wikipedia? Could we do it in one or two years?
Thank you very much for your concern!
Regards,
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On 31 July 2015 at 06:48, Juan de Vojníkov juandevojnikov@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I would like to ask, if the ease of media handling (images, photographs on Wikimedia Commons) is a priority for Wikimedia Foundation? If not, could it be a priority? Recently we have seen a big step done for editors = VisualEditor. Contributors have no longer study "wikicode" to be able to contribute. That removes one of the technological barriers and it looks its a priority for WMF.
While part of contributing to Wikipedia is still contributing by images. I am from Wikimedia Czech republic. We run many projects based on media harvest or organizing *low barrier media harvest activities* to bring new users to Wikipedia.
As our newbies are not technologically skilled and not native English speakers, there is a big technology block to contribute to Wikipedia with ease:
- there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload
I don't think having a custom mobile app for uploading files is really the key problem.
The quality of media capture on non-specialist mobile devices, and especially the general pattern of use for them, is not so good that encouraging people in general to upload them for use in Wikipedia articles is a good idea. Yes, you *can* take good, educational, useful photos with a mobile device, but in general people do not, and when we enabled uploads on the mobile desktop we got a lot of very low-value photos, almost all of which were deleted (and the users understandably didn't stay around). The old tickets at https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/920 and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53559 for example have some off-handed comments about this being the "Selfie Apocalypse".
The hard thing is not grabbing the media file from the user's device, but helping users understand what media is appropriate, what is expected, what is good, and what won't get immediately deleted by the wiki's community. We don't just want to trap people into making a one-off upload contribution – we want to encourage people to join the community and stay, taking several photos, not just one. :-) I've got some ideas about how we can gently coax people into understanding this without scaring them away, but I'm sure others have better plans.
2) newbies are lost, when they click on "Upload image" and they are
transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons
- Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our participants
5) Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty "techy"
- Insert metadata, takes a long time:
e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times you have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines, cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines, Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*, *category:Cathedrals in Iowa*).
[Answering these three together.]
Yup, that's why our main work in Multimedia right now is making it possible to upload a media file from whichever wiki you're on , and do so whilst you're editing. We're looking to make adding the information as simple and painless as possible, without letting people upload files without enough information for the community to triage and ensure are as high quality as possible.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91717
is the overall work, and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40030 will be the integration into VisualEditor (we'll do it for users writing in wikitext as well, of course).
- biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only, we
need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue
That is true. The long-term hope in this area is using Wikibase (the software behind Wikidata) to add proper structured data to Commons. This would mean that we could replace categories named in a single language with 'tags' named in all languages, which would make it both easier to contribute to Commons and better to find existing media already on Commons for the majority of our readers and editors who do not speak English.
You can see some thoughts on this at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Multichill/Commons_Wikidata_roadmap
Could we do something for those, who contributes with their media to
Wikipedia? Could we do it in one or two years?
Absolutely. Or, at least, I hope so. :-)
Yours,
but in general people do not, and when we enabled uploads on the mobile desktop we got a lot of very low-value photos, almost all of which were deleted (and the users understandably didn't stay around). The old tickets at https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/920 and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53559 for example have some off-handed comments about this being the "Selfie Apocalypse".
Thats interesting. I thought most of Commons users are skilled Wikimedians and that would not happened. So it surprise me, that the crap came. But on the other side you have skilled contributors, who would be happy for easier and faster ways of upload and metadata edit.
We don't just want to trap people into making a one-off upload contribution – we want to encourage people to join the community and stay, taking several photos, not just one. :-)
Thats what our programmes focuses. We got some contributors form WLM, who now contributes under other programes. When students contribute, its never a single contribution, they have to come with a bunch and/or collection of pictures related a topic, which could be described in Wikpedia.
I've got some ideas about how we can gently coax people into understanding this without scaring them away, but I'm sure others have better plans.
Well, dont be shy and let us know.
- newbies are lost, when they click on "Upload image" and they are
transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons
- Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our
participants
- Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty "techy"
- Insert metadata, takes a long time:
e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times
you
have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines, cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines, Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*, *category:Cathedrals in Iowa*).
[Answering these three together.]
Yup, that's why our main work in Multimedia right now is making it possible to upload a media file from whichever wiki you're on , and do so whilst you're editing. We're looking to make adding the information as simple and painless as possible, without letting people upload files without enough information for the community to triage and ensure are as high quality as possible.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91717
is the overall work, and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40030 will be the integration into VisualEditor (we'll do it for users writing in wikitext as well, of course).
Thats nice to hear and it is deffinitely a great work. Unfortunatelly old
editors does not like new features - both of your groups Multimedia and VE needs kind of specialist to promote your great work!
- biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only, we
need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue
That is true. The long-term hope in this area is using Wikibase (the software behind Wikidata) to add proper structured data to Commons. This would mean that we could replace categories named in a single language with 'tags' named in all languages, which would make it both easier to contribute to Commons and better to find existing media already on Commons for the majority of our readers and editors who do not speak English.
You can see some thoughts on this at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Multichill/Commons_Wikidata_roadmap
Well, it would be better to have it faster.
Juandev
James you are sure not to be late to the party when cameras like Samsung Galaxy or better with Android os are available? http://m.distrelec.ch/en/galaxy-gc200-digital-camera-black-samsung-ek-gc200z...
Rupert On Aug 1, 2015 2:34 AM, "James Forrester" jforrester@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 31 July 2015 at 06:48, Juan de Vojníkov juandevojnikov@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I would like to ask, if the ease of media handling (images, photographs
on
Wikimedia Commons) is a priority for Wikimedia Foundation? If not, could
it
be a priority? Recently we have seen a big step done for editors = VisualEditor. Contributors have no longer study "wikicode" to be able to contribute. That removes one of the technological barriers and it looks
its
a priority for WMF.
While part of contributing to Wikipedia is still contributing by images.
I
am from Wikimedia Czech republic. We run many projects based on media harvest or organizing *low barrier media harvest activities* to bring new users to Wikipedia.
As our newbies are not technologically skilled and not native English speakers, there is a big technology block to contribute to Wikipedia with ease:
- there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload
I don't think having a custom mobile app for uploading files is really the key problem.
The quality of media capture on non-specialist mobile devices, and especially the general pattern of use for them, is not so good that encouraging people in general to upload them for use in Wikipedia articles is a good idea. Yes, you *can* take good, educational, useful photos with a mobile device, but in general people do not, and when we enabled uploads on the mobile desktop we got a lot of very low-value photos, almost all of which were deleted (and the users understandably didn't stay around). The old tickets at https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/920 and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53559 for example have some off-handed comments about this being the "Selfie Apocalypse".
The hard thing is not grabbing the media file from the user's device, but helping users understand what media is appropriate, what is expected, what is good, and what won't get immediately deleted by the wiki's community. We don't just want to trap people into making a one-off upload contribution – we want to encourage people to join the community and stay, taking several photos, not just one. :-) I've got some ideas about how we can gently coax people into understanding this without scaring them away, but I'm sure others have better plans.
- newbies are lost, when they click on "Upload image" and they are
transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons
- Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our
participants
- Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty "techy"
- Insert metadata, takes a long time:
e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times
you
have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines, cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines, Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*, *category:Cathedrals in Iowa*).
[Answering these three together.]
Yup, that's why our main work in Multimedia right now is making it possible to upload a media file from whichever wiki you're on , and do so whilst you're editing. We're looking to make adding the information as simple and painless as possible, without letting people upload files without enough information for the community to triage and ensure are as high quality as possible.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91717
is the overall work, and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40030 will be the integration into VisualEditor (we'll do it for users writing in wikitext as well, of course).
- biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only, we
need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue
That is true. The long-term hope in this area is using Wikibase (the software behind Wikidata) to add proper structured data to Commons. This would mean that we could replace categories named in a single language with 'tags' named in all languages, which would make it both easier to contribute to Commons and better to find existing media already on Commons for the majority of our readers and editors who do not speak English.
You can see some thoughts on this at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Multichill/Commons_Wikidata_roadmap
Could we do something for those, who contributes with their media to
Wikipedia? Could we do it in one or two years?
Absolutely. Or, at least, I hope so. :-)
Yours,
James D. Forrester Lead Product Manager, Editing Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
jforrester@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester
On 31 July 2015 at 06:48, Juan de Vojníkov juandevojnikov@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I would like to ask, if the ease of media handling (images, photographs
on
Wikimedia Commons) is a priority for Wikimedia Foundation? If not, could
it
be a priority? Recently we have seen a big step done for editors = VisualEditor. Contributors have no longer study "wikicode" to be able to contribute. That removes one of the technological barriers and it looks
its
a priority for WMF.
While part of contributing to Wikipedia is still contributing by images.
I
am from Wikimedia Czech republic. We run many projects based on media harvest or organizing *low barrier media harvest activities* to bring new users to Wikipedia.
As our newbies are not technologically skilled and not native English speakers, there is a big technology block to contribute to Wikipedia with ease:
there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload
newbies are lost, when they click on "Upload image" and they are
transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons
- Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our
participants
- biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only, we
need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue
Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty "techy"
Insert metadata, takes a long time:
e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times
you
have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines, cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines, Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*, *category:Cathedrals in Iowa*).
Its 2015, there are many social projects around us. You can handle images much easier on these projects than on mother of all social projects - Wikipedia. Big step was done with using images allready present in
Commons.
Could we do something for those, who contributes with their media to Wikipedia? Could we do it in one or two years?
Thank you very much for your concern!
Regards,
Juandev _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
-- James D. Forrester Lead Product Manager, Editing Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
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With regard to uploads from mobiles, there have been several positive discussions on the Commons village pump when mobile applications encouraged uploads.[1]
It is still the case that the significant majority of images uploaded from mobile platforms have to be deleted as either out of scope (like bad blurry selfies) or obvious copyright violations. We even have some bot-categorization of deletions quietly going on to keep a running track of it, and several past experiments to find ways of managing copyvios automatically, shortly after they appear in recent uploads.[2]
As tablets with good cameras and more sophisticated mobiles are used to do more stuff on Wikimedia projects, the trend is improving, but the design challenge remains that mobile apps to which make upload easier need to also encourage upload 'qualification' to reduce the burden on volunteer administrators to do endless housekeeping, and mobile users need coaching/coaxing to consider copyright and educational value before launching their selfies and lolcats on Commons. :-)
Links: 1. Sample past VP discussion: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2013/04#Mobi..., https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2013/04#Prop... 2. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:MobileUpload-related_deletion_re...
Fae
Well,
I think the answer for the question for what Commons stands for should be repeated. Some say images you upload there, should find a use in Wikipedia. But is that a truth? Other time you hear, images should be usefull for educational purposes. On the main page, I can just see a statement "a database of 27,041,767 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics freely usable https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reusing_content_outside_Wikimedia media files" which does not explain what kind of media and if there are any limitations.
Sometimes people uploads theri collection and someone tends to delete it of being out of scope. Other times we uploads thousands of archive pictures from GLAM, where the majority of these imagase does not have inmediate use in WMF projects.
Juan
2015-08-01 13:36 GMT+02:00 Fæ faewik@gmail.com:
With regard to uploads from mobiles, there have been several positive discussions on the Commons village pump when mobile applications encouraged uploads.[1]
It is still the case that the significant majority of images uploaded from mobile platforms have to be deleted as either out of scope (like bad blurry selfies) or obvious copyright violations. We even have some bot-categorization of deletions quietly going on to keep a running track of it, and several past experiments to find ways of managing copyvios automatically, shortly after they appear in recent uploads.[2]
As tablets with good cameras and more sophisticated mobiles are used to do more stuff on Wikimedia projects, the trend is improving, but the design challenge remains that mobile apps to which make upload easier need to also encourage upload 'qualification' to reduce the burden on volunteer administrators to do endless housekeeping, and mobile users need coaching/coaxing to consider copyright and educational value before launching their selfies and lolcats on Commons. :-)
Links:
- Sample past VP discussion:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2013/04#Mobi... ,
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2013/04#Prop... 2. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:MobileUpload-related_deletion_re...
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