Thanks for all the pointers, Molly, and for disclosing that it was you for the sake of adding a bit more info to the discussion; you haven't done anything wrong as far as I know, and I didn't feel comfortable mentioning your IRC nick in case there were any confusion. I simply didn't get a chance to look at that diff before you revdeleted it; it was the only concrete evidence that I saw linked there for why badmachine was kicked. I probably should have clicked on it immediately. My bad.
I've apologized to you here and on Wikipediocracy, but apologies are always worth doing directly and for as many to see as possible: I'm very sorry for mistaking you for a WMF employee. I take full responsibility for my words and actions. I hope you can forgive me.
To be clear, a WMF employee did mail Lila with "safety concerns." That was obviously not Molly, and, ultimately, I don't think it's important who it was. It just made me personally uncomfortable communicating with WMF employees in any private setting. I'm hoping that will change as we all begin to trust each other more. Even then, I have no plans to discuss WMF matters of any sort with WMF employees; that's to everyone's benefit IMO.
,Wil
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Molly White gorillawarfarewikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Wil Sinclair <wllm@...> writes:
Thanks, I wasn't aware I could do this. I'm assuming that it would be obvious who was an employee at Wikimedia in the log, too.
Indeed you can. If you navigate to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log and enter the title of the page in the "Target (title or user)" field, you can see "GorillaWarfare (talk | contribs | block) changed visibility of a revision".
I was the one who deleted the revision in question. I'd like to clarify that I'm not an employee of the WMF. I'm an administrator, and a member of the Arbitration Committee, but my membership on that committee is by community election. It is neither paid by nor decided by the WMF. The deletion of that revision was done in my administrator, not arbitrator, capacity.
As for determining who is and is not an employee of the WMF, WMF employees editing as employees (and not community members) tend to have "(WMF)" in their usernames. If nothing else, you can check their userpages, where they will mention if they are employees.
Of course, it is entirely on me. I knew that the IRC channels weren't logged, and that it was a bannable offense to log them (for those who aren't familiar with IRC, this essentially means that you aren't supposed to save conversations there; in most channels that's A-OK, but on all of the most used wikipedia channels it seems to be disallowed).
As some have already pointed out, it is in fact just fine to log Wikimedia channels. It is the publishing of these logs (from channels that restrict logging) that is considered to be a bannable offense.
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There is a discussion about this issue there, as well. It can be followed at the link I posted earlier. Here's the last page of the discussion that includes the comment above: http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4680&p=96600#p9...
,Wil
In fact, I'd suggest you *do* begin logging your IRC communications. Had you been logging, you would have been able to refer to your logs to review my explanation of why the user in question is typically immediately banned from Wikimedia-related IRC channels. You also would have been able to refer to the conversation in which I pointed you to the revision deletion policy, and the specific criterion under which I removed the revision. You would also have remembered that you did not ask me for any more detail about the relationship between Wikimedia-related IRC channels and Wikimedia projects (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC#How_is_Wikipedia_IRC_related_to _Wikipedia.3F), about the IRC channel guidelines (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/wikipedia/Guidelines, also linked from the channel topic in #wikipedia-en) or expectations of channel operators (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/wikipedia/Channel_operator_guidelines), or about the revision itself and its contents.
Yours, Molly (GorillaWarfare)
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