It's un unclear.
A god shot on the market costs more than 50 dollars.
Everything in high quality is a benefit.
So the aim is not to calculate a cost per shot but the relation costs
benefits.
Basically the delta.
If there is the need to evaluate the success considering the poor relation
costs per upload, there is no sense to have a photo contest. An editathon
will produce more results.
Il 05/Mag/2015 12:21, "Ivo Kruusamägi" <ivo.kruusamagi(a)gmail.com> ha
scritto:
I've collected photos for Commons with cost lower
than 0.01 $ per image,
so I don't like claims, that "A god shot of a professional artist doesn't
cost 0.90 dollars". Considering the fact, that average upload in WLM is
usually out of rather poor quality and will not find itself a place in an
article, then thous things aren't that easily comparable.
I specially like the comment about Romaine, and I have taken somewhat
similar approach. Only if I'm able to provide constant work for the
newcomers there is some chance of keeping them with the program. Getting
images vs getting users are two rather different aims. I have also set
interest towards getting quality images as we have so many contributors per
capita in Estonia, that it isn't very likely to get an increase there
without some rather desperate means. But just focusing on images could help
to get significantly better quality contributions.
As of this evaluation I'd actually like to get some selected examples,
that would explain somewhat on what others have done and what kind of
differences there are. For instance, if someone spends thousands of dollars
for this campaign, then I'd like to know where the money went, as I can't
personally think of any places on where to spend that much. Or what kind of
outreach approach was taken to achieve the x goals etc.
Regards
Ivo Kruusamägi
2015-05-05 11:06 GMT+03:00 Ilario Valdelli <valdelli(a)gmail.com>om>:
To specify what I am saying:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Evaluation/Evaluation_reports/2015/W…
In the paragraph "Content Production and Quality Improvement" it's not
mentioned any paragraph about the quality of the photos.
It's a photo contest and the photo contest gives a prize to the best
photos not to the biggest uploaders.
This is an example of divergence between the real aim of the projects and
the measures of the evaluation.
Probably there is a misunderstanding in same place.
A god shot of a professional artist doesn't cost 0.90 dollars.
To measure the success the best approach is to consider that a god shot
can costs around 50-100 dollars.
Replying to people that agree that the measure is to cover articles, I
agree with them but I also agree that there is no sense to have bad photos
even if these photos are not "descriptive".
Regards
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Ilario Valdelli <valdelli(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Lodewijk,
it's not the fisrt time that I am saying that the measures of the
evaluation are able to measure quantities and not qualities.
If the aim of Wikimedia is to improve also the qualities, it's clear the
direction that the movement is taking.
I know that measuring quantities is easier, but it's not an evaluation,
are simple numbers without a clear "strategy".
regards
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
wrote:
Hi all,
it seems that the WMF evaluation department has once again put together
an evaluation of Wiki Loves Monuments. Out of curiosity, were any of the
organizers involved in this? A quick glance suggests some factual errors,
and again a big focus on assuming WLM is a consistent project, that is
similar in each country (while in reality it is a diverse collection of
projects, tailored to the needs of each country, by its community) and with
a focus towards number crunching.
Statements that begin with 'the average Wiki Loves Monuments
implementation/contest' make my eyes bleed... Did anyone make a more
thorough analysis of the report?
Best,
Lodewijk
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