Wikitech-l July 2013

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Request for Comments: New Search
by Nikolas Everett 22 Jul '13

22 Jul '13

So Chad and I feel like we've gotten far enough in our prototype of our new search backend for MediaWiki that we're ready to request comments. So here is our format RFC: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/CirrusSearch You'll note that the plugin is called CirrusSearch. SolrSearch seems to have been taken by an unrelated project so we had to pick a different name. Please read and comment in whatever way is normal for these things. Thanks so much for your attention, Nik Everett

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Bugzilla Weekly Report
by reporter 22 Jul '13

22 Jul '13

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Alternative editor?
by Derric Atzrott 21 Jul '13

21 Jul '13

Good day, Now I finally do have a question that might make some sense. I'm attempting to replace the editor for Mediawiki for certain pages. Are there any examples of how to use the AlternateEdit hook beyond looking at the code for Mediawiki itself? Are there any extensions that make use of this hook? Does VisualEditor? I just want a second example of how to build an edit page that does things a little differently so that I can compare the two and learn a bit more about ways that I can go about this. Thank you, Derric Atzrott Computer Specialist Alizee Pathology

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Git Proxy Error
by planetenxin 21 Jul '13

21 Jul '13

Hi folks, I'm constantly getting the following error on https://git.wikimedia.org/: Proxy Error The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. The proxy server could not handle the request GET /. Reason: Error reading from remote server /Alexander

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Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikidata-tech] Incorrect language code?
by Hazard-SJ 21 Jul '13

21 Jul '13

Just to add to this, this issue also exists for other pairs of codes (als/gsw, bat-smg/sgs, and probably more). Hazard-SJ ________________________________ From: Hazard-SJ <hazard_sj(a)yahoo.com> To: "wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org" <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>; "wikidata-tech(a)lists.wikimedia.org" <wikidata-tech(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:46 AM Subject: [Wikidata-tech] Incorrect language code? Hello, As far as I checked, we should be using "nb" as the language code of "nowiki". As is known, (see bugs 46455 and 37459), Wikidata allows both codes. I've just come upon a bot request that is over 2 months old that I'm willing to tackle, just that I need verification: terms should use the language code "nb" rather than "no", correct? As for statistics, there are 534741 uses of the "no" code at present, and only 294725 uses of the "nb" code (at present). As I said, I'm willing to have my bot make the necessary fixes, but I just need to verify i advance. Thanks. Hazard-SJ _______________________________________________ Wikidata-tech mailing list Wikidata-tech(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-tech

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basic regressions dashboard
by Antoine Musso 20 Jul '13

20 Jul '13

Hello, Jenkins has a few jobs that only triggers after a commit has been merged in. That is a nice way to track a regression introduced in a project. It is a bit hard to find the jobs in the myriad of them so I have created a very basic dashboard on the CI website: https://integration.wikimedia.org/dashboard/ It currently shows the deployment jobs for the beta cluster and the one for MediaWiki. That highlight we currently have a test failing in REL1_20 :-/ The dashboard is in integration/docroot.git and the related file is: /org/wikimedia/integration/dashboard/index.php Feel free to submit patchset to enhance the dashboard :-) -- Antoine "hashar" Musso

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Git config trick.
by Ori Livneh 19 Jul '13

19 Jul '13

In ~/.gitconfig, add: [url "ssh://your_username@gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/extensions/"] insteadOf = "ext:" Now you can: git clone ext:UploadWizard ! --- Ori Livneh ori(a)wikimedia.org

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Authnz System RFC
by Tyler Romeo 19 Jul '13

19 Jul '13

Hey all, I'd much appreciate it if you could take a look at an RFC I wrote: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/AuthStack The RFC is for a complete re-design of MediaWiki's authentication and authorization system, and involves the rewrite of SpecialUserlogin, SpecialChangePassword, and other interfaces. It also deprecates and supersedes the AuthPlugin system, among other systems. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerromeo(a)gmail.com

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikitech-l Digest, Vol 120, Issue 54
by Edmund 19 Jul '13

19 Jul '13

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On 19 July 2013 19:56, <wikitech-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > Send Wikitech-l mailing list submissions to > wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wikitech-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wikitech-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wikitech-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's > fun new landmine for admins (C. Scott Ananian) > 2. Re: Request for Comments: New Search (C. Scott Ananian) > 3. Re: MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's > fun new landmine for admins (Ryan Lane) > 4. Re: Git config trick. (Tyler Romeo) > 5. Re: MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's > fun new landmine for admins (Jeroen De Dauw) > 6. Re: Git config trick. (Roan Kattouw) > 7. Re: MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's > fun new landmine for admins (C. Scott Ananian) > 8. Re: MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's > fun new landmine for admins (Tyler Romeo) > 9. Re: Git config trick. (C. Scott Ananian) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:20:28 -0400 > From: "C. Scott Ananian" <cananian(a)wikimedia.org> > To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: > MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins > Message-ID: > < > CAK5kH3xYP5RY+gSq3LA3t1Qp7fcPbfPf9Ex0Yz7z0Mdx1P6_uA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > It might also be worth going a "wikibase" release (on its own schedule or > else scheduled shortly after each MW release), that contains a particular > MW version along with version of the extensions that have been tested to > work with it. This is the usual way in which these sorts of dependency > chains are dealt with outside of WMF. (Ie, when RedHat Fedora is released, > it contains the latest GNOME at that time, which in turn contains a version > of GTK+ and various utilities all tested to work well together). > > For the admin, it should just be a matter of using "wikibase 1.23" or > whatever; they shouldn't have to hunt down individual extensions and figure > out compatible versions for themselves. > --scott > > -- > (http://cscott.net) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:24:52 -0400 > From: "C. Scott Ananian" <cananian(a)wikimedia.org> > To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Request for Comments: New Search > Message-ID: > < > CAK5kH3xY-D6wvXR1Cy5eMbSaVQdVih+jtKfAbpTu_qnA76NvpQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I wonder if there are queries or use cases we can support that *aren't* > already better handled by google. Granted, users of private wikis can't > simply use the 'site:' trick to reuse Google search results -- but users of > private wikis also probably don't need superduper scalability. > > Trying to brainstorm here, not start a flame war. What sorts of useful > searches could we excel at? (Maybe these are searches/use cases that will > facilitate editor engagement?) > --scott > > -- > (http://cscott.net) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:27:52 -0700 > From: Ryan Lane <rlane32(a)gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: > MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins > Message-ID: > < > CALKgCA0C6q8ymzidJ5FWhrtgdamBVq7tnxP8iARfXKtae_b1dQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:20 AM, C. Scott Ananian > <cananian(a)wikimedia.org>wrote: > > > It might also be worth going a "wikibase" release (on its own schedule or > > else scheduled shortly after each MW release), that contains a particular > > MW version along with version of the extensions that have been tested to > > work with it. This is the usual way in which these sorts of dependency > > chains are dealt with outside of WMF. (Ie, when RedHat Fedora is > released, > > it contains the latest GNOME at that time, which in turn contains a > version > > of GTK+ and various utilities all tested to work well together). > > > > For the admin, it should just be a matter of using "wikibase 1.23" or > > whatever; they shouldn't have to hunt down individual extensions and > figure > > out compatible versions for themselves. > > > > > What if you want to use wikibase 1.23 and MyAbominationExtension 1.5 that > requires an incompatible version of DataValues and MyAwesomeExtension 1.0 > that requires an incompatible version of ValueView? > > - Ryan > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:44:15 -0400 > From: Tyler Romeo <tylerromeo(a)gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Git config trick. > Message-ID: > <CAE0Q5ovgSr9yY8rF_TAjwb_vj7kOr=+- > xTdp6uXS5FHnzydJ5w(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > This is one of the most useful things I've ever learned. Thanks! > > *-- * > *Tyler Romeo* > Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 > Major in Computer Science > www.whizkidztech.com | tylerromeo(a)gmail.com > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Ori Livneh <ori(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > In ~/.gitconfig, add: > > > > [url "ssh:// > your_username@gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/extensions/ > > "] > > insteadOf = "ext:" > > > > Now you can: > > > > git clone ext:UploadWizard > > > > ! > > > > --- > > Ori Livneh > > ori(a)wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 20:44:58 +0200 > From: Jeroen De Dauw <jeroendedauw(a)gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: > MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins > Message-ID: > <CAMhmagCrzt= > OMcTG+xn22sR-cPRT4ribCUiniv63vu6fWAXc3g(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hey, > > What if you want to use wikibase 1.23 and MyAbominationExtension 1.5 that > > requires an incompatible version of DataValues and MyAwesomeExtension 1.0 > > that requires an incompatible version of ValueView? > > > > If you have releases of certain software that have requirements that cannot > satisfied together, then you cannot install them together. That is a pretty > inherent property of incompatible software. > > As a user, when I run into such a situation, what I want to know is which > versions of the software I am interested in I can install together. That > is, after being told the latest releases do not work together. Sounds like > we need some kind of package management :) In case of the components > created for Wikidata, we have been supporting Composer for a while now, > which is a great fit to our needs. > > I attempted to install Wikibase the other day and made a fun discovery. > > Installing it properly requires the following (12) extensions: > > > > That is somewhat inaccurate, and is misleading with regard to Wikibase > installation. Nevertheless, the concerns you bring up are certainly > relevant, and currently not really tackled well in the MediaWiki community. > That is to bad, as it encourages people to inappropriately bundle things > and throw re usability out of the window (plus causing a long list of other > problems). > > Cheers > > -- > Jeroen De Dauw > http://www.bn2vs.com > Don't panic. Don't be evil. ~=[,,_,,]:3 > -- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:46:34 -0700 > From: Roan Kattouw <roan.kattouw(a)gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Git config trick. > Message-ID: > <CALoQHwFe5HoaEMEzzj2CO6HS0VBwga= > eGNCm58a7EUK3kNvVQA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Ori Livneh <ori(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > > In ~/.gitconfig, add: > > > > [url "ssh:// > your_username@gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/extensions/"] > > insteadOf = "ext:" > > > > Now you can: > > > > git clone ext:UploadWizard > > > > ! > > > "!" indeed. Sweet trick, dude, thanks! > > Roan > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:46:46 -0400 > From: "C. Scott Ananian" <cananian(a)wikimedia.org> > To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: > MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins > Message-ID: > <CAK5kH3yaGphVHi0= > HTEcic7m2WT_V0Qzd7q-WCMGWjqUfc20Ow(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Ryan Lane <rlane32(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > What if you want to use wikibase 1.23 and MyAbominationExtension 1.5 that > > requires an incompatible version of DataValues and MyAwesomeExtension 1.0 > > that requires an incompatible version of ValueView? > > > > You file a bug report against MyAbominationExtension and/or > MyAwesomeExtension, telling them they should update their extensions to be > compatible with the latest wikibase. Or wait for wikibase 1.24, with > updated DataValues and ValueViews. Again, the extension authors are > responsible to keep up-to-date. > > Or the admin can try to upgrade/downgrade individual components themselves, > just like a Fedora developer is free to do so. But if that breaks you get > to keep both pieces. > --scott > -- > (http://cscott.net) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:46:12 -0400 > From: Tyler Romeo <tylerromeo(a)gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: > MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins > Message-ID: > <CAE0Q5otydNx92P_-nT07-BtEhx+SAsp_S0Ak= > uCjUBooJvShYA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Man, if only PHP had some sort of dependency management system..... > > *-- * > *Tyler Romeo* > Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 > Major in Computer Science > www.whizkidztech.com | tylerromeo(a)gmail.com > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Jeroen De Dauw <jeroendedauw(a)gmail.com > >wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > What if you want to use wikibase 1.23 and MyAbominationExtension 1.5 that > > > requires an incompatible version of DataValues and MyAwesomeExtension > 1.0 > > > that requires an incompatible version of ValueView? > > > > > > > If you have releases of certain software that have requirements that > cannot > > satisfied together, then you cannot install them together. That is a > pretty > > inherent property of incompatible software. > > > > As a user, when I run into such a situation, what I want to know is which > > versions of the software I am interested in I can install together. That > > is, after being told the latest releases do not work together. Sounds > like > > we need some kind of package management :) In case of the components > > created for Wikidata, we have been supporting Composer for a while now, > > which is a great fit to our needs. > > > > I attempted to install Wikibase the other day and made a fun discovery. > > > Installing it properly requires the following (12) extensions: > > > > > > > That is somewhat inaccurate, and is misleading with regard to Wikibase > > installation. Nevertheless, the concerns you bring up are certainly > > relevant, and currently not really tackled well in the MediaWiki > community. > > That is to bad, as it encourages people to inappropriately bundle things > > and throw re usability out of the window (plus causing a long list of > other > > problems). > > > > Cheers > > > > -- > > Jeroen De Dauw > > http://www.bn2vs.com > > Don't panic. Don't be evil. ~=[,,_,,]:3 > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:56:16 -0400 > From: "C. Scott Ananian" <cananian(a)wikimedia.org> > To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Git config trick. > Message-ID: > < > CAK5kH3wEP6erKWuMqegsTyBk9qzY9LOx022yY1ht94guZJka4Q(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Tyler Romeo <tylerromeo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > This is one of the most useful things I've ever learned. Thanks! > > > > It's close, but the '-p' option to just-about-every-git-command still wins > the "most useful" prize. But close! > > I'll suggest a little variant: > > [url "https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/"] > insteadOf="mw:" > > ...lets you do: > $ git clone mw:core > $ git clone mw:extensions/Parsoid > etc > > You should still do 'git review --setup' once you've cloned the extension > or whatever. That will set up the "ssh:// > username@gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/..." remote for gerrit and > stuff. > --scott > > -- > (http://cscott.net) > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > End of Wikitech-l Digest, Vol 120, Issue 54 > ******************************************* >

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikitech-l Digest, Vol 120, Issue 54
by Edmund 19 Jul '13

19 Jul '13

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