Wikitech-l July 2013

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Why isn't hotcat an extension?
by Yuvi Panda 19 Jul '13

19 Jul '13

It's universally liked, is there almost on every wiki, and provides a much needed functionality. Why isn't this deployed as an extension, or better yet - part of core, than as a gadget? Just a matter of someone to do the work? -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog

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RFC: Scoping site CSS
by Juliusz Gonera 19 Jul '13

19 Jul '13

I wrote an RFC about scoping Common.css and Mobile.css: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Scoping_site_CSS In short: this could help us separate CSS rules added by administrators from the core UI rules of MediaWiki. What we would get: * UI (chrome) CSS more predictable and broken less often * no crazy UI styling as seen at https://nv.wikipedia.org Please share your thoughts. -- Juliusz

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Status of MediaWiki Release Management RFP
by MZMcBride 19 Jul '13

19 Jul '13

Hi. Is there a status update regarding the MediaWiki Release Management RFP? <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_Management_RFP#Timeline> indicates that the goal for an announcement was the second week of July. Apologies in advance if I've simply overlooked an update (I briefly checked my mail archives, but could only find a reference to July 8). MZMcBride

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Bugzilla administrator rights policy
by Andre Klapper 18 Jul '13

18 Jul '13

Better late than never: Recently, I've worked on a document to describe when it is necessary for a user to have administrator rights in bugzilla.wikimedia.org. It affects a small number of Bugzilla users (less than 30) who were contacted via email while drafting the policy. The policy can be found at https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Bugzilla_administrator_rights_policy It was written in order to explain why a specific user needs to be an administrator (or why it might not be needed). Following the principle of least privilege, Bugzilla administrator rights are only required for a small number of rather uncommon tasks, with the one exception being editing Bugzilla user rights (if you want to know more: these tasks are also listed in the policy). A combination of other, more specific Bugzilla rights very often allows executing the same tasks, so nobody will lose any ability to perform tasks in Bugzilla that s/he could also perform before. As usual, a list of current Bugzilla administrators can be found at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/System_administrators#List I'm happy to answer any questions that may arise (and that were not already answered in http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-June/070062.html ). Thanks, andre -- Andre Klapper | ak-47(a)gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/

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Gerrit downtime - Thursday, July 18th
by Chad 18 Jul '13

18 Jul '13

Hi everyone, So, we've got a bad disk on the Gerrit box that needs to be swapped out. This is going to cause a little bit of downtime while we fix things up. Therefore, Gerrit will be unavailable on Thursday, July 18th (that's 2 days from now) starting at 14:00 UTC (10am EST, 7am PST) and going for 1 hour (until 15:00 UTC). Hopefully it won't take the full hour, but I'd like to be cautious :) If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them here or e-mail me privately. Thanks for your understanding! -Chad

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Suggestion for solving the disambiguation problem
by Lee Worden 18 Jul '13

18 Jul '13

Maybe it could be done with just the Referer field on the second request, without needing to log two different page requests and correlate them. > Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:14:42 -0400 > From: David Cuenca<dacuetu(a)gmail.com> > > Good idea, it could also help to know which are the links more used in a > disambiguation page to sort them by importance. > > Micru > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Nicolas Vervelle<nvervelle(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> >Interesting idea... >> > >> > >> >On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Jon Robson<jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >>> > >I understand there is an issue that needs solving where various pages >>> > >link to disambiguation pages. These need fixing to point at the >>> > >appropriate thing. >>> > > >>> > >I had a thought on how this might be done using a variant of >>> > >EventLogging... >>> > > >>> > >When a user clicks on a link that is a disambiguation page and then >>> > >clicks on a link on that page we log an event that contains >>> > > >>> > >* page user was on before >>> > >* page user is on now >>> > > >>> > >If we were to collect this data it would allow us to statistically >>> > >suggest what the correct disambiguation page might be. >>> > > >>> > >To take a more concrete theoretical example: >>> > >* If I am on the Wiki page for William Blake and click on London I am >>> > >taken tohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_(disambiguation) >>> > >* I look through and see London (poem) and click on it >>> > >* An event is fired that links London (poem) to William Blake. >>> > > >>> > >Obviously this won't always be accurate but I'd expect generally this >>> > >would work (obviously we'd need to filter out bots) >>> > > >>> > >Then when editing William Blake say that disambiguation links are >>> > >surfaced. If I go to fix one it might prompt me that 80% of visitors >>> > >go from William Blake to London (poem). >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >Have we done anything like this in the past? (Collecting data from >>> > >readers and informing editors) >>> > > >>> > >I can imagine applying this sort of pattern could have various other >>> > >uses... >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >-- >>> > >Jon Robson >>> > >http://jonrobson.me.uk >>> > >@rakugojon >>> > >

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Why isn't hotcat an extension?
by Jon Robson 18 Jul '13

18 Jul '13

+wiki tech On 17 Jul 2013 17:39, "Jared Zimmerman" <jared.zimmerman(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: Hey Yuvi, the link got stripped from the mailing list email but its here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_Experiments Mark Holmquist is the dev on the feature. Currently Mark is working on the Beta Experiments framework (nothing to do with HotCat, yet or planned) The first experiment will be an updated gallery control that is part of the upcoming Multimedia improvements lead by Fabrice. However once the framework is in place it should be much easier for designer and developers to create experiments on the desktop site. Unlike gadgets the plan is that code goes into Beta, is validated, feedback is given from the community and its either scrapped, iterated, or integrated, rather than stagnating in gadgets forever. You can see in the image on the feature page above some hints at other ideas we have for experiments in the future. Let me know if you have bandwidth or 20% time to participate in working with the design team to either create new experiments or help migrate some of the more established gadgets into the Beta Experiments environment. Jared * * * * *Jared Zimmerman * \\ Director of User Experience \\ Wikimedia Foundation M : +1 415 609 4043 | : @JaredZimmerman<https://twitter.com/JaredZimmerman> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Yuvi Panda <yuvipanda(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > He says: > > "HotCat is number one on my list of gadgets to get some UX love and > > turn into a beta experiment... If everything goes well while its in > > experiments then it gets integrated into core extensions. Mark H. is > > coding the desktop beta experiments framework right now (literally > > while I write this email)" > > Can you explain what this means? Is hexmode writing HotCat? Is he > writing a framework to enable experiments on desktop? Was that > discussed / announced anywhere? > > > -- > Yuvi Panda T > http://yuvi.in/blog >

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Strange Visual Editor Diff
by Derric Atzrott 18 Jul '13

18 Jul '13

Where do we send diffs from Visual Editor that look strange? Such as this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polycarbonate&diff=prev&oldid=56… 11 Thank you, Derric Atzrott Computer Specialist Alizee Pathology

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Is it possible to opt out of LiquidThreads?
by Jon Robson 18 Jul '13

18 Jul '13

Is there any way to opt out of Liquid Threads and simply see the underlying talk page? I really really dislike the interface and it's been bugging me for some time... mostly due to it's reliance on JavaScript and links generated to it tend to be broken. -- Jon Robson http://jonrobson.me.uk @rakugojon

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Navigation pattern data (was: Suggestion for solving the disambiguation problem)
by Strainu 18 Jul '13

18 Jul '13

2013/7/16 Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com>: > When a user clicks on a link that is a disambiguation page and then > clicks on a link on that page we log an event that contains > > * page user was on before > * page user is on now > > If we were to collect this data it would allow us to statistically > suggest what the correct disambiguation page might be. > Has anyone done something like that before on Wikimedia sites (not just for desambig, but for any kind of navigation pattern)? If yes, are the results publicly available? Thanks, Straomi

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