Wikitech-l July 2013

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Why isn't hotcat an extension?
by Jon Robson 18 Jul '13

18 Jul '13

+wiki tech On 17 Jul 2013 17:39, "Jared Zimmerman" <jared.zimmerman(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: Hey Yuvi, the link got stripped from the mailing list email but its here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_Experiments Mark Holmquist is the dev on the feature. Currently Mark is working on the Beta Experiments framework (nothing to do with HotCat, yet or planned) The first experiment will be an updated gallery control that is part of the upcoming Multimedia improvements lead by Fabrice. However once the framework is in place it should be much easier for designer and developers to create experiments on the desktop site. Unlike gadgets the plan is that code goes into Beta, is validated, feedback is given from the community and its either scrapped, iterated, or integrated, rather than stagnating in gadgets forever. You can see in the image on the feature page above some hints at other ideas we have for experiments in the future. Let me know if you have bandwidth or 20% time to participate in working with the design team to either create new experiments or help migrate some of the more established gadgets into the Beta Experiments environment. Jared * * * * *Jared Zimmerman * \\ Director of User Experience \\ Wikimedia Foundation M : +1 415 609 4043 | : @JaredZimmerman<https://twitter.com/JaredZimmerman> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Yuvi Panda <yuvipanda(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > He says: > > "HotCat is number one on my list of gadgets to get some UX love and > > turn into a beta experiment... If everything goes well while its in > > experiments then it gets integrated into core extensions. Mark H. is > > coding the desktop beta experiments framework right now (literally > > while I write this email)" > > Can you explain what this means? Is hexmode writing HotCat? Is he > writing a framework to enable experiments on desktop? Was that > discussed / announced anywhere? > > > -- > Yuvi Panda T > http://yuvi.in/blog >

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Strange Visual Editor Diff
by Derric Atzrott 17 Jul '13

17 Jul '13

Where do we send diffs from Visual Editor that look strange? Such as this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polycarbonate&diff=prev&oldid=56… 11 Thank you, Derric Atzrott Computer Specialist Alizee Pathology

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Is it possible to opt out of LiquidThreads?
by Jon Robson 17 Jul '13

17 Jul '13

Is there any way to opt out of Liquid Threads and simply see the underlying talk page? I really really dislike the interface and it's been bugging me for some time... mostly due to it's reliance on JavaScript and links generated to it tend to be broken. -- Jon Robson http://jonrobson.me.uk @rakugojon

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Navigation pattern data (was: Suggestion for solving the disambiguation problem)
by Strainu 17 Jul '13

17 Jul '13

2013/7/16 Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com>: > When a user clicks on a link that is a disambiguation page and then > clicks on a link on that page we log an event that contains > > * page user was on before > * page user is on now > > If we were to collect this data it would allow us to statistically > suggest what the correct disambiguation page might be. > Has anyone done something like that before on Wikimedia sites (not just for desambig, but for any kind of navigation pattern)? If yes, are the results publicly available? Thanks, Straomi

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Export/Import Wiki questions
by Ryan Rick Acta 17 Jul '13

17 Jul '13

Hi Rupert, Thanks for the email. But I think the query that you have answered was already answered by John. However, i thank you for the statement " if you really want we can do this for you as well, but of course it would be necessary to know a little more details", once the client feels comfortable to provide more details I will share them. Also, the Mediawiki to mediawiki migration (export/import) is essential especially now that we are transferring documents to our clients. But in the meantime, my pressing question is that Is there a way to import/export Confluence pages (Atlassian Confluence 3.5.3) to our MediaWiki page (we call them Docs Wiki)? It also needs to completely replicate the Confluence page including the codes, images and links. Thanks for your help! If there is anything else, please let me know. Thanks! ________________________________ From: rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner(a)gmail.com> To: Ryan Rick Acta <riez_n(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Export/Import Wiki questions hi ryan, as this is not really a wikimedia thing and to avoid "confidentiality ...", i took this off-list. if your client does not need to change the documentation, imo it does not make a lot of sense to go the complicated copy mediawiki to mediawiki way. just use offline technology, like openzim and kiwix. if you really want we can do this for you as well, but of course it would be necessary to know a little more details. rupert. On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:16 AM, Ryan Rick Acta <riez_n(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I am a technical writer and I have a lot of questions. > > > Our company has been using MediaWiki for their documentation. > > > We have a new client that recently bought our products and now needs help in their documentation. Our product documentations are posted in our wiki site. The clients are now requesting that they have copies of our documentation. > > I am also proposing that the create/build their wiki site on MediaWiki to have an easy transition with regards to the documentation. Now the process of transferring the documentation will be exporting and importing wikis. > > > I have found the following articles regarding importing/exporting wikis: > * Help:Export: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Export > * Help:Import: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Import > Can you confirm that these are the articles that i need regarding importing/exporting wikis? > > > Is it possible to import/export our wikis to a new MediaWiki for the client? > > Hope you can help me on this. I would really appreciate this. > > > If there is anything else, please let me know. > > > Thanks! > > PS. I am unsure if i should directly name our company and the client. This is regarding the confidentiality clause. > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Export/Import Wiki questions
by Ryan Rick Acta 17 Jul '13

17 Jul '13

Hi, I am a technical writer and I have a lot of questions. Our company has been using MediaWiki for their documentation. We have a new client that recently bought our products and now needs help in their documentation. Our product documentations are posted in our wiki site. The clients are now requesting that they have copies of our documentation. I am also proposing that the create/build their wiki site on MediaWiki to have an easy transition with regards to the documentation. Now the process of transferring the documentation will be exporting and importing wikis. I have found the following articles regarding importing/exporting wikis: * Help:Export: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Export * Help:Import: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Import Can you confirm that these are the articles that i need regarding importing/exporting wikis? Is it possible to import/export our wikis to a new MediaWiki for the client? Hope you can help me on this. I would really appreciate this. If there is anything else, please let me know. Thanks! PS. I am unsure if i should directly name our company and the client. This is regarding the confidentiality clause.

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Disambiguator extension deployed to all WMF wikis (action required)
by Ryan Kaldari 16 Jul '13

16 Jul '13

The Disambiguator extension (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Disambiguator) is now deployed to all WMF wikis. This will enable us to: 1. Remove disambiguation code from core, including Special:Disambiguations (bug 35981) 2. Stop requiring wikis to maintain template lists at MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage 3. Add features like warning users when they are linking to disambiguation pages (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/70564) 4. Remove disambiguation pages from things like Special:Random and Special:LonelyPages 4. Enable the development of more powerful 3rd party tools for dealing with disambiguation pages There is, however, one action required of each wiki that wants to make use of the Disambiguator extension: Every disambiguation page on the wiki needs to include the __DISAMBIG__ magic word (or an equivalent alias). Typically, this only requires adding the magic word to a single template that is included on all the disambiguation pages. For example, on Commons, this was accomplished with the following change: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ADisambig&diff=99… On English Wikipedia, it was a bit more complicated: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ADmbox&diff=560507118&… Once you've made this change, you should start seeing pages appear on Special:DisambiguationPages within 3 days. If you have any questions or problems, let me know. Ryan Kaldari Wikimedia Foundation

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Suggestion for solving the disambiguation problem
by Jon Robson 16 Jul '13

16 Jul '13

I understand there is an issue that needs solving where various pages link to disambiguation pages. These need fixing to point at the appropriate thing. I had a thought on how this might be done using a variant of EventLogging... When a user clicks on a link that is a disambiguation page and then clicks on a link on that page we log an event that contains * page user was on before * page user is on now If we were to collect this data it would allow us to statistically suggest what the correct disambiguation page might be. To take a more concrete theoretical example: * If I am on the Wiki page for William Blake and click on London I am taken to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_(disambiguation) * I look through and see London (poem) and click on it * An event is fired that links London (poem) to William Blake. Obviously this won't always be accurate but I'd expect generally this would work (obviously we'd need to filter out bots) Then when editing William Blake say that disambiguation links are surfaced. If I go to fix one it might prompt me that 80% of visitors go from William Blake to London (poem). Have we done anything like this in the past? (Collecting data from readers and informing editors) I can imagine applying this sort of pattern could have various other uses... -- Jon Robson http://jonrobson.me.uk @rakugojon

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Gadgets / bots maintainers loving automated QA
by Quim Gil 16 Jul '13

16 Jul '13

Dear gadgets / bots maintainers, The Engineering Community Team has this 2013-14 goal related to your work: Jan - Mar 2014 Volunteers use the gadgets/bots analysis to write automated browser tests; by March 2014, ten percent of all Wikimedia projects have automated tests checking for problems with important bots and gadgets (reducing breakage and reducing time-to-fix). http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2013-14_Goals#Wikimedia… Who wants to step in now? We want to hear about you, especially if you are maintaining a popular gadget or bot. Please reply here and/or join the QA list: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/qa We are running automated browser testing workshops and other QA activities with volunteers. Get involved and we will help testing your software project. -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil

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ContentHandler Questions
by Derric Atzrott 16 Jul '13

16 Jul '13

Good Day, I'm thinking about creating another Mediawiki extension here at my work (well actually, more likely starting over on one I haven't touched in several months) and I have a few questions about ContentHandler and if it is an appropriate mechanism to make use of in this extension. The extension I am planning on (re)making handles some data entry type stuff about some of our computer systems here. I was thinking of creating a new namespace called MP for the extension and then having articles in it named after our various systems. There would then be a Special Page that keeps track of all of these articles and provides some summary information on them in a table. The articles, would contain several pages of structured information about our computer systems. I feel like I had read that ContentHandler lets me define my own editor for that type of content. [0] Would I be able to define an editor that has multiple pages? The workflow that I would like to create splits the editing of the information into several pages (one for intake questions, another for documentation, yet another for regulatory related questions, etc.). I could make this all as a standalone program, but I don't want to re-invent the wheel if I don't have to when it comes to keeping track of revisions and displaying diffs and the like. Plus keeping it in Mediawiki gives my users an interface for that they are already familiar with. I feel as though I was not at all clear in this email, so if I didn't give enough information or you have questions that might clarify both in my mind and yours what I am trying to accomplish feel free to ask. Thank you, Derric Atzrott Computer Specialist Alizee Pathology [0]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:ContentHandler/Doc At least, this is alluded to in "action=edit will fail for pages with non-text content, unless the respective ContentHandler implementation has provided a specialized handler for the edit action."

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