Send Wikitech-l mailing list submissions to wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wikitech-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at wikitech-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Wikitech-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins (C. Scott Ananian) 2. Re: Request for Comments: New Search (C. Scott Ananian) 3. Re: MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins (Ryan Lane) 4. Re: Git config trick. (Tyler Romeo) 5. Re: MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins (Jeroen De Dauw) 6. Re: Git config trick. (Roan Kattouw) 7. Re: MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins (C. Scott Ananian) 8. Re: MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins (Tyler Romeo) 9. Re: Git config trick. (C. Scott Ananian) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:20:28 -0400 From: "C. Scott Ananian" &lt;cananian(a)wikimedia.org&gt; To: Wikimedia developers &lt;wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins Message-ID: < CAK5kH3xYP5RY+gSq3LA3t1Qp7fcPbfPf9Ex0Yz7z0Mdx1P6_uA(a)mail.gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 It might also be worth going a "wikibase" release (on its own schedule or else scheduled shortly after each MW release), that contains a particular MW version along with version of the extensions that have been tested to work with it. This is the usual way in which these sorts of dependency chains are dealt with outside of WMF. (Ie, when RedHat Fedora is released, it contains the latest GNOME at that time, which in turn contains a version of GTK+ and various utilities all tested to work well together). For the admin, it should just be a matter of using "wikibase 1.23" or whatever; they shouldn't have to hunt down individual extensions and figure out compatible versions for themselves. --scott -- (http://cscott.net) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:24:52 -0400 From: "C. Scott Ananian" &lt;cananian(a)wikimedia.org&gt; To: Wikimedia developers &lt;wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Request for Comments: New Search Message-ID: < CAK5kH3xY-D6wvXR1Cy5eMbSaVQdVih+jtKfAbpTu_qnA76NvpQ(a)mail.gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I wonder if there are queries or use cases we can support that *aren't* already better handled by google. Granted, users of private wikis can't simply use the 'site:' trick to reuse Google search results -- but users of private wikis also probably don't need superduper scalability. Trying to brainstorm here, not start a flame war. What sorts of useful searches could we excel at? (Maybe these are searches/use cases that will facilitate editor engagement?) --scott -- (http://cscott.net) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:27:52 -0700 From: Ryan Lane &lt;rlane32(a)gmail.com&gt; To: Wikimedia developers &lt;wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins Message-ID: < CALKgCA0C6q8ymzidJ5FWhrtgdamBVq7tnxP8iARfXKtae_b1dQ(a)mail.gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:20 AM, C. Scott Ananian &lt;cananian(a)wikimedia.org&gt;wrote;wrote: released, version For the admin, it should just be a matter of using "wikibase 1.23" or figure What if you want to use wikibase 1.23 and MyAbominationExtension 1.5 that requires an incompatible version of DataValues and MyAwesomeExtension 1.0 that requires an incompatible version of ValueView? - Ryan ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:44:15 -0400 From: Tyler Romeo &lt;tylerromeo(a)gmail.com&gt; To: Wikimedia developers &lt;wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Git config trick. Message-ID: <CAE0Q5ovgSr9yY8rF_TAjwb_vj7kOr=+- xTdp6uXS5FHnzydJ5w(a)mail.gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 This is one of the most useful things I've ever learned. Thanks! *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerromeo(a)gmail.com On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Ori Livneh &lt;ori(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: your_username@gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/extensions/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 20:44:58 +0200 From: Jeroen De Dauw &lt;jeroendedauw(a)gmail.com&gt; To: Wikimedia developers &lt;wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins Message-ID: <CAMhmagCrzt= OMcTG+xn22sR-cPRT4ribCUiniv63vu6fWAXc3g(a)mail.gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey, What if you want to use wikibase 1.23 and MyAbominationExtension 1.5 that If you have releases of certain software that have requirements that cannot satisfied together, then you cannot install them together. That is a pretty inherent property of incompatible software. As a user, when I run into such a situation, what I want to know is which versions of the software I am interested in I can install together. That is, after being told the latest releases do not work together. Sounds like we need some kind of package management :) In case of the components created for Wikidata, we have been supporting Composer for a while now, which is a great fit to our needs. I attempted to install Wikibase the other day and made a fun discovery. That is somewhat inaccurate, and is misleading with regard to Wikibase installation. Nevertheless, the concerns you bring up are certainly relevant, and currently not really tackled well in the MediaWiki community. That is to bad, as it encourages people to inappropriately bundle things and throw re usability out of the window (plus causing a long list of other problems). Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw http://www.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. ~=[,,_,,]:3 -- ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:46:34 -0700 From: Roan Kattouw &lt;roan.kattouw(a)gmail.com&gt; To: Wikimedia developers &lt;wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Git config trick. Message-ID: <CALoQHwFe5HoaEMEzzj2CO6HS0VBwga= eGNCm58a7EUK3kNvVQA(a)mail.gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Ori Livneh &lt;ori(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: your_username@gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/extensions/"] "!" indeed. Sweet trick, dude, thanks! Roan ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:46:46 -0400 From: "C. Scott Ananian" &lt;cananian(a)wikimedia.org&gt; To: Wikimedia developers &lt;wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins Message-ID: <CAK5kH3yaGphVHi0= HTEcic7m2WT_V0Qzd7q-WCMGWjqUfc20Ow(a)mail.gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Ryan Lane &lt;rlane32(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > What if you want to use wikibase 1.23 and MyAbominationExtension 1.5 that You file a bug report against MyAbominationExtension and/or MyAwesomeExtension, telling them they should update their extensions to be compatible with the latest wikibase. Or wait for wikibase 1.24, with updated DataValues and ValueViews. Again, the extension authors are responsible to keep up-to-date. Or the admin can try to upgrade/downgrade individual components themselves, just like a Fedora developer is free to do so. But if that breaks you get to keep both pieces. --scott -- (http://cscott.net) ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:46:12 -0400 From: Tyler Romeo &lt;tylerromeo(a)gmail.com&gt; To: Wikimedia developers &lt;wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins Message-ID: <CAE0Q5otydNx92P_-nT07-BtEhx+SAsp_S0Ak= uCjUBooJvShYA(a)mail.gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Man, if only PHP had some sort of dependency management system..... *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerromeo(a)gmail.com On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Jeroen De Dauw &lt;jeroendedauw(a)gmail.com 1.0 cannot pretty like community. other ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:56:16 -0400 From: "C. Scott Ananian" &lt;cananian(a)wikimedia.org&gt; To: Wikimedia developers &lt;wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Git config trick. Message-ID: < CAK5kH3wEP6erKWuMqegsTyBk9qzY9LOx022yY1ht94guZJka4Q(a)mail.gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Tyler Romeo &lt;tylerromeo(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: It's close, but the '-p' option to just-about-every-git-command still wins the "most useful" prize. But close! I'll suggest a little variant: [url "https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/"] insteadOf="mw:" ...lets you do: $ git clone mw:core $ git clone mw:extensions/Parsoid etc You should still do 'git review --setup' once you've cloned the extension or whatever. That will set up the "ssh:// username@gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/..." remote for gerrit and stuff. --scott -- (http://cscott.net) ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l End of Wikitech-l Digest, Vol 120, Issue 54 *******************************************