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jf＠mormo.org

2 Jun 2006 2 Jun '06

11:03 p.m.

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Birgitte SB

3 Jun 3 Jun

12:18 a.m.

--- Jens Frank <jf(a)mormo.org> wrote:

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Hello, the following wikisources have been created: ** http://ang.wikisource.org/

I did not realize there was a proposal for this. It seems to me very inefficient as these texts belong at en.wikisource. Especially with the ability that will be available with section transcultions to build comparative texts. En will definately need it's own local copies to do that. I actually was just arguing against this very thing in regards to a grc.wikisource forking from el at meta. I will not repeat all I said here but it applies equally. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Ancient Birgitte SB __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Ryan Dabler

3:11 a.m.

On 6/2/06, Jens Frank <jf(a)mormo.org> wrote:

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It's great that these Wikisources were created, but I wasn't even aware that half of these were requested. Will anybody even use them? Z

Birgitte SB

3:45 a.m.

--- Ryan Dabler <zhaladshar(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 6/2/06, Jens Frank <jf(a)mormo.org> wrote: > > Hello, > > the following wikisources have been created:

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It's great that these Wikisources were created, but I wasn't even aware that half of these were requested. Will anybody even use them? Z > _______________________________________________

I was not either. After some digging, it looks like our friendly developer cleaned out the archive. http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Language_domain_requests/archive3 Many of these are quite old requests. I doubt the proposers are even aware they would be filled at this point. Birgitte SB __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

ThomasV

8:21 a.m.

it is necessary to move texts from ws.org to the new subdomains. this has to be done by developers, in order to preserve page history. And this has to be done quickly, before we get duplicates of texts, duplicates of error corrections, duplicates of formatting, and all the mess. Doing this is possible only if someone tells them what are the texts to be moved. Therefore there needs to be at least one active person per new subdomain, who can recognize the language, and tell them what the list of pages to be moved is. I doubt this procedure has been followed for those new subdomains. I fear the mess to come... Thomas

Ryan Dabler

4:03 p.m.

On 6/3/06, ThomasV <thomasV1(a)gmx.de> wrote:

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Fortunately, the number of texts we have in these languages is either so small or non-existant (do we even have any Vietnamese texts?) that should there be any mess, it shouldn't be too difficult to wade through. Of course, this requires there to be a few active users from the respective languages working on these subdomains, which is where I'm concerned. As very few of these new domains were showed any major interest by the community, I hope they don't become vandal magnets. Z

Brianna Laugher

4:09 p.m.

So... which developer actually created these? te.ws was approved with just two supporters, if that archive page is correct. There are other similarly lowlyy-supported requests. I mean the dev's must feel a bit damned-if-they-do, damned-if-they-don't, no creations for so long and people complain, then a whole bunch and people still complain.... but I'm sure there's *some* kind of standard minimum requirement, right? Brianna [(en.wp, commons)user:pfctdayelise]

Ryan Dabler

4:19 p.m.

On 6/3/06, Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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If there is, it's on the side of the developers (or similar powers-that-be). I'm not aware of any official Wikisource policy that dictates when a new language has enough support. But only the languages which have a wide range of support from their community ever have bug reports filed or ever approach a developer to set up the new sub-domain. As of right now...er, as of two days ago...the only languages I was aware of having enough active support were Estonian, Finnish, and Hungarian. The support for the creation of the other language sub-domains seemed to have waned over the past months, resulting in no one strongly enough desiring to have the domains actually set up. And I don't think anyone here is complaining. It's great that the languages have been set up, but we are concerned a bit. I'm remembering the September 11 wiki, where after a while the only activity on Recent changes was vandalism and reversion of vandalism. I just don't want that to happen to any of the smaller languages here. Z

jf＠mormo.org

5 Jun 5 Jun

2:43 p.m.

On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 11:19:20AM -0500, Ryan Dabler wrote:

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On 6/3/06, Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher(a)gmail.com> wrote:

If there is, it's on the side of the developers (or similar powers-that-be). I'm not aware of any official Wikisource policy that dictates when a new language has enough support.

http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Language_domain_requests/Rules_for_vo… In order to start a new language edition, requests for that language must meet one of the following three criteria: 1. At least one experienced contributor at wikisource.org. An experienced contributor is someone who has been a logged-in user at wikisource.org for at least two months, with at least 250 Wikisource edits. 2. At least two experienced contributors at other Wikimedia projects in the specified language. In other words, two different users, each of whom has been logged-in for at least two months at a Wikimedia project (other than Wikisource) in the language that they have requested and made at least 250 edits in that project. 3. If there are insufficient experienced contributors, then a language request will be honored if it has at least three votes from active contributors in that language. An active contributor will be defined as someone who has been a logged-in user for one month at a Wikimedia project in the specified language, with at least 100 edits .

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