The more I read about it-ws Opera namespace, the more I'm interested in it. On frws we use "multiple editions" a lot, especially on poems and short stories, that have been published in different collections. Do you do that too ? Also, I had a fantasy, these past weeks, working about "work items" on wikidata, that we could point on wikisource "work" page, whether we have 1 or multiple editions. Presently, when, for a poem, we have only 1 edition, we put it in its collection subpage, and keed the poem title as redirect, then transform it to "multiple editions" when we get some. This totally prevents to add those to wikidata, because redirects are not supported ; thus, editions are added to work items, by adding redirects. I was wondering whether adding a template similar to "redirect with possibility" (enwp) could help solve this problem. Wonder what solution would be best, considering that the creation of a full-developped "work-page" on a poem could be tricky... So, what do you think all of you ? Hélène (frwikisource)

From afar, the Opera: pages on it.ws are very close to the pages with the

2017-11-01 16:40 GMT+01:00 Nicolas VIGNERON &lt;vigneron.nicolas(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: A reason why there are no different namespaces for work-, edition-, author-, list- and other portal pages in de.ws is the ws-search. When you are looking for "Goethe" in the (simple) search (as readers may do) on WS, you might get to * https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Tafellied,_zu_Goethe%E2%80%99s_Geburtstage but not to * https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Johann_Wolfgang_von_Goethe <https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Johann_Wolfgang_von_Goethe#Bibliographien> with all the interesting stuff, if that page was in another namespace... So there was the desition to use templates (and categories) for these different kind of pages: https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Seiten_zu_Autoren,_Texten,_Themen… I think German Wikisource Community won't give this up and switch to using multiple namespaces (besides Wikisource: and Page:namespace). Best Anika

Anika, That is matter long resolved in my opinion with the change in the default search namespaces that the communities made, and similarly with our redefining content namespaces. While main namespace will always take preference to the other nss in results, they show up pretty quickly where you have an intitle: match. At enWS I would say that we lost more searches to subpages, so with the ability to change your search preferences with subphrase matches, much of that is addressed (though it is not the default search configuration at this point). The completion suggester <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CirrusSearch/CompletionSuggester> is an algorithm for search suggestions with better typo correction and search relevance. Default (recommended) Corrects up to two typos. Resolves close redirects. Subphrase matching (recommended for longer page titles) Corrects up to two typos. Resolves close redirects. Matches subphrase in titles. Strict mode (advanced) No typo correction. No accent folding. Strict matching. Redirect mode (advanced) No typo correction. Resolves close redirects. Redirect mode with subphrase matching (advanced) No typo correction. Resolves close redirects. Matches subphrase in titles. Regards, Billinghurst ------ Original Message ------ From: "Anika Born" &lt;WikiAnika(a)wikipedia.de&gt; To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library" < wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Sent: 2/11/2017 6:37:29 PM Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] wikisource "work" pages or "multiple editions" pages 2017-11-01 16:40 GMT+01:00 Nicolas VIGNERON &lt;vigneron.nicolas(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: A reason why there are no different namespaces for work-, edition-, author-, list- and other portal pages in de.ws is the ws-search. When you are looking for "Goethe" in the (simple) search (as readers may do) on WS, you might get to * https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Tafellied,_zu_Goethe%E2% 80%99s_Geburtstage but not to * https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Johann_Wolfgang_von_Goethe <https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Johann_Wolfgang_von_Goethe#Bibliographien> with all the interesting stuff, if that page was in another namespace... So there was the desition to use templates (and categories) for these different kind of pages: https://de.wikisource.org/ wiki/Wikisource:Seiten_zu_Autoren,_Texten,_Themen,_Listen <https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Seiten_zu_Autoren,_Texten,_Themen,_Listen> I think German Wikisource Community won't give this up and switch to using multiple namespaces (besides Wikisource: and Page:namespace). Best Anika _______________________________________________ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l

I must admit, I'm not a huge fan of multiple namespaces in wikis. They're mostly not necessary! :-) (Don't worry, I'm not suggesting getting rid of any either.) And certainly, from the point of view of integrating Wikidata and moving towards better metadata and searchability, I don't think we need all Wikisources to unify on any particular set of namespaces. I think any future metadata system must just work with all the different current set-ups (and I think it can, quite well). —Sam. On Thu, 2 Nov 2017, at 05:21 PM, Anika Born wrote: Billinghurst, That might work for me, with a Login. But does this also work for random readers, who don't have a login? Who don't know, that there are preferences (and especially what can be done with them?) But more important: please don't (just) focus in namespaces for every Wikisource-Project. You might loose at least de.WS. I can't see changing something, that works fine for this project... Especially not to change a system, that is quite different, from what they have now. That is all I am asking for. de.ws is working with templates to differ, not with namespaces. for instance Johann Wolfgang von Goethe: <https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Johann_Wolfgang_von_Goethe#Bibliographien> Goethe was an author, but there are also works about Goethe. In de.ws portal-page and author-page about Geothe are merged in one. There is no difference. Don't expect something else. Best, Anika 2017-11-02 9:07 GMT+01:00 billinghurst &lt;billinghurstwiki(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: Anika, That is matter long resolved in my opinion with the change in the default search namespaces that the communities made, and similarly with our redefining content namespaces. While main namespace will always take preference to the other nss in results, they show up pretty quickly where you have an intitle: match. At enWS I would say that we lost more searches to subpages, so with the ability to change your search preferences with subphrase matches, much of that is addressed (though it is not the default search configuration at this point). The completion suggester <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CirrusSearch/CompletionSuggester> is an algorithm for search suggestions with better typo correction and search relevance. Default (recommended) Corrects up to two typos. Resolves close redirects. Subphrase matching (recommended for longer page titles) Corrects up to two typos. Resolves close redirects. Matches subphrase in titles. Strict mode (advanced) No typo correction. No accent folding. Strict matching. Redirect mode (advanced) No typo correction. Resolves close redirects. Redirect mode with subphrase matching (advanced) No typo correction. Resolves close redirects. Matches subphrase in titles. Regards, Billinghurst ------ Original Message ------ From: "Anika Born" &lt;WikiAnika(a)wikipedia.de&gt; To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library" < wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Sent: 2/11/2017 6:37:29 PM Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] wikisource "work" pages or "multiple editions" pages 2017-11-01 16:40 GMT+01:00 Nicolas VIGNERON &lt;vigneron.nicolas(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: From afar, the Opera: pages on it.ws are very close to the pages with the template {{Éditions}} on fr.ws or the template {{Versions}} on en.ws (and similar system elsewhere). The main difference is having a separate namespace A second major difference is that the templates on fr.ws and en.ws are very light while the {{Opera}} template took data from Wikidata (but that's an independent problem, it's possible to change the {{Éditions}} or {{Versions}} templates to do exactly the same thing without having a specific namespace). I'm almost convinced too, but in order to create a new namespace on a project you have to convinced the local community. That's why I'm still playing the Devil's advocate role and want to learn about the inconvenients of this system A reason why there are no different namespaces for work-, edition-, author-, list- and other portal pages in de.ws is the ws-search. When you are looking for "Goethe" in the (simple) search (as readers may do) on WS, you might get to * https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Tafellied,_zu_Goethe%E2%80% 99s_Geburtstage but not to * https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Johann_Wolfgang_von_Goethe <https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Johann_Wolfgang_von_Goethe#Bibliographien> with all the interesting stuff, if that page was in another namespace... So there was the desition to use templates (and categories) for these different kind of pages: https://de.wikisource.org/wiki /Wikisource:Seiten_zu_Autoren,_Texten,_Themen,_Listen <https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Seiten_zu_Autoren,_Texten,_Themen,_Listen> I think German Wikisource Community won't give this up and switch to using multiple namespaces (besides Wikisource: and Page:namespace). Best Anika _______________________________________________ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l *_______________________________________________* Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l _______________________________________________ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l